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On August 09 2013 17:52 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:41 Cokefreak wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 15:23 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 15:16 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 14:47 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 14:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:On August 09 2013 14:22 saddaromma wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eUaZdrp.png) Picture tells the tales, even if you omit dota 2 due to international. SC2 has low entertainment value, therefore fewer viewers and less sponsors. Its only up to Blizzard if they want the game to be succesful. They have to do something asap. 1. Fire Dustin Browder and David Kim. 2. Hire new team and redesign SC2's multiplayer. The best candidates are people who make best maps and who have better understanding of what community/viewer needs. And remember: action is always better than noaction Holy fuck when will these crap-quality posts stop coming in? You realize that there are probably a LOT of SC2 fans watching TI3 right now? There isn't ANY SC2 tournament going on and not a ton of big people streaming either. Please try and use a little common sense before posting a random screenshot and using it as the backbone of your ludicrous argument. Also... Low entertainment value? Did you watch any of WCS this week? There were a bunch of great games, why don't you watch Grubby vs Hasuobs if you don't believe me. Edit: Of course SC2 isn't a perfect game, but how does demanding that Dustin Browder and David Kim get fired seem like a reasonable/realistic argument and does it really solve any of the current problems? Blizzard is more than just 2 people and AFAIK the game balance is doing fairly well (Kim's main job) and the game design is still being tweaked and developed for the future (LOTV is in development). is that what wanted from sc2 when it was announced, pathetic 4k viewers when no tournaments are going on? If players are retiring, teams disbanding, viewership is falling and tournaments are shutting down you can get general idea that scene is declining. Or you can keep on lying to yourself that everything is ok. DB and DK did a pretty bad job, remember bl/infestors, warhounds, helbats? All their changes are temporal bandages until the game is dumbed down to one-dimensional strategies. WCS is huge, plenty of players still making some money streaming, lots of other content. I don't see any cause for alarm. You sir are in denial. As I'm writting this, the biggest featured sc2 streamer gets less than 1k viewer ( dragon at 955). The biggest LoL streamer atm is TSM's mid laner with almost 8000 viewers. This is considerably low, especially since TI3 is going on, which is a moba (LoL's direct competition).Most of the time, you will see Phantomlord, or Dyrus, or Wingsofdeathx with around 20k viewers. Every weekend (friday-saturday-sunday) LCS EU and then LCS NA get up to 130k viewers.. EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON. That is to say just how much sc2 streams are empty. I hear people talking about maps.. truth of the matter is, maps barely make a difference in this game. Considering a 200 food army can get through a tiny passage just as fast as they can move on an open field, the only aspect of the map that is important is the rush distance, and the expands set-up. It will take a lot more than that to actually fix the game and make it watchable. First of all, the macro part of the game is just too damn fast: in 10 blizzard minutes, a zerg gets maxed out... where does that leave time for small engagements and clever harassments (corsair killing overlords in BW, for example)? Then the armies move just too damn well: it is just so easy to push an advantage to a win. Take LoL for example ( i don't know DoTA2 enough but I do know its even more pronounced than in LoL), even if you Ace the enemy team in the early to mid game, the best advantage you can get (considering their nexus are not open to be destroyed), is 1 or 2 turrets, maybe a baron buff, or their blue-red buffs. Yes you get gold advantage, yes you get some free farm, but the game is not over for the enemy team.. comebacks happen very often. In BW, a battle win didn't mean a game win, it meant that you could destroy an expand, or secure another base (and base income saturation was better done too, but let's not go there). In SC2, if you win a fight, you can almost certainly snowball it into a win. There is something fundamentally wrong in a strategy game when a 20 minutes game is decided in a 30 seconds fight. I remeber a lot of games where your statment is true on, but i also know a lot of games where it´s not true! There are a lot of games with back and forward action over a long period of time. They might be rare but they can happen. Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ User was temp banned for this post. F.O.A.D. was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-07-11 08:47:21 and had 95 posts.
Reason: Looks like you didn't get the message last time. You come off a ban and go into a thread that has nothing to do with balance and whine about game design. Seems like we are talking about this guy every 10 pages or something. That's an interesting use of 'anymore' in the banned post ("...anymore it seems..."). 'Anymore' is one of a number of English words that has a complicated syntax requiring that it appear under the scope of words with a negative valence, such as "It does not seem inevitable anymore that Z will eventually fold". It doesn't have to be negation though. "I doubt he'll come around here anymore" is fine, but "I hope he'll come around here anymore" is not. Nobody is explicitly taught any of this, instead just picking it up naturally. It's hard to imagine a native speaker making the mistake, which is a bit odd since F.O.A.D lists Canada (though immigration is obviously a possibility).
French Canadian perhaps?
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On August 09 2013 17:52 frogrubdown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:41 Cokefreak wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 15:23 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 15:16 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 14:47 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 14:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:On August 09 2013 14:22 saddaromma wrote:Picture tells the tales, even if you omit dota 2 due to international. SC2 has low entertainment value, therefore fewer viewers and less sponsors. Its only up to Blizzard if they want the game to be succesful. They have to do something asap. 1. Fire Dustin Browder and David Kim. 2. Hire new team and redesign SC2's multiplayer. The best candidates are people who make best maps and who have better understanding of what community/viewer needs. And remember: action is always better than noaction Holy fuck when will these crap-quality posts stop coming in? You realize that there are probably a LOT of SC2 fans watching TI3 right now? There isn't ANY SC2 tournament going on and not a ton of big people streaming either. Please try and use a little common sense before posting a random screenshot and using it as the backbone of your ludicrous argument. Also... Low entertainment value? Did you watch any of WCS this week? There were a bunch of great games, why don't you watch Grubby vs Hasuobs if you don't believe me. Edit: Of course SC2 isn't a perfect game, but how does demanding that Dustin Browder and David Kim get fired seem like a reasonable/realistic argument and does it really solve any of the current problems? Blizzard is more than just 2 people and AFAIK the game balance is doing fairly well (Kim's main job) and the game design is still being tweaked and developed for the future (LOTV is in development). is that what wanted from sc2 when it was announced, pathetic 4k viewers when no tournaments are going on? If players are retiring, teams disbanding, viewership is falling and tournaments are shutting down you can get general idea that scene is declining. Or you can keep on lying to yourself that everything is ok. DB and DK did a pretty bad job, remember bl/infestors, warhounds, helbats? All their changes are temporal bandages until the game is dumbed down to one-dimensional strategies. WCS is huge, plenty of players still making some money streaming, lots of other content. I don't see any cause for alarm. You sir are in denial. As I'm writting this, the biggest featured sc2 streamer gets less than 1k viewer ( dragon at 955). The biggest LoL streamer atm is TSM's mid laner with almost 8000 viewers. This is considerably low, especially since TI3 is going on, which is a moba (LoL's direct competition).Most of the time, you will see Phantomlord, or Dyrus, or Wingsofdeathx with around 20k viewers. Every weekend (friday-saturday-sunday) LCS EU and then LCS NA get up to 130k viewers.. EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON. That is to say just how much sc2 streams are empty. I hear people talking about maps.. truth of the matter is, maps barely make a difference in this game. Considering a 200 food army can get through a tiny passage just as fast as they can move on an open field, the only aspect of the map that is important is the rush distance, and the expands set-up. It will take a lot more than that to actually fix the game and make it watchable. First of all, the macro part of the game is just too damn fast: in 10 blizzard minutes, a zerg gets maxed out... where does that leave time for small engagements and clever harassments (corsair killing overlords in BW, for example)? Then the armies move just too damn well: it is just so easy to push an advantage to a win. Take LoL for example ( i don't know DoTA2 enough but I do know its even more pronounced than in LoL), even if you Ace the enemy team in the early to mid game, the best advantage you can get (considering their nexus are not open to be destroyed), is 1 or 2 turrets, maybe a baron buff, or their blue-red buffs. Yes you get gold advantage, yes you get some free farm, but the game is not over for the enemy team.. comebacks happen very often. In BW, a battle win didn't mean a game win, it meant that you could destroy an expand, or secure another base (and base income saturation was better done too, but let's not go there). In SC2, if you win a fight, you can almost certainly snowball it into a win. There is something fundamentally wrong in a strategy game when a 20 minutes game is decided in a 30 seconds fight. I remeber a lot of games where your statment is true on, but i also know a lot of games where it´s not true! There are a lot of games with back and forward action over a long period of time. They might be rare but they can happen. Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ User was temp banned for this post. F.O.A.D. was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-07-11 08:47:21 and had 95 posts.
Reason: Looks like you didn't get the message last time. You come off a ban and go into a thread that has nothing to do with balance and whine about game design. Seems like we are talking about this guy every 10 pages or something. That's an interesting use of 'anymore' in the banned post ("...anymore it seems..."). 'Anymore' is one of a number of English words that has a complicated syntax requiring that it appear under the scope of words with a negative valence, such as "It does not seem inevitable anymore that Z will eventually fold". It doesn't have to be negation though. "I doubt he'll come around here anymore" is fine, but "I hope he'll come around here anymore" is not. Nobody is explicitly taught any of this, instead just picking it up naturally. It's hard to imagine a native speaker making the mistake, which is a bit odd since F.O.A.D lists Canada (though immigration is obviously a possibility).
Greetings fellow semanticist, I'm glad people talk about Negative Polarity Items on teamliquid. To make it more precise, it's really "any" that requires a specific context to be licensed (negation is one of them, the antecedent of a conditional is another: "if John eats any more apples, he'll burst", etc.) I'm not a native speaker myself, but I have a feeling I know what might have triggered the mistake in the banned post. The word "but" has a negative connotation (but a contextual one), so F.O.A.D. might have corrected the sentence in his own mind to have a stronger form of negation in it.
I also support making NPI violations a bannable offense on TL.
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On August 09 2013 18:53 Ghanburighan wrote:
I also support making NPI violations a bannable offense on TL.
Yeah good luck with that buddy. There are tons of more common mistakes and even intentional bastardizations and pretty much all of them are allowed. 
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On August 09 2013 18:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:52 frogrubdown wrote:On August 09 2013 17:41 Cokefreak wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 15:23 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 15:16 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 14:47 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 14:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
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Holy fuck when will these crap-quality posts stop coming in? You realize that there are probably a LOT of SC2 fans watching TI3 right now? There isn't ANY SC2 tournament going on and not a ton of big people streaming either. Please try and use a little common sense before posting a random screenshot and using it as the backbone of your ludicrous argument.
Also... Low entertainment value? Did you watch any of WCS this week? There were a bunch of great games, why don't you watch Grubby vs Hasuobs if you don't believe me.
Edit: Of course SC2 isn't a perfect game, but how does demanding that Dustin Browder and David Kim get fired seem like a reasonable/realistic argument and does it really solve any of the current problems? Blizzard is more than just 2 people and AFAIK the game balance is doing fairly well (Kim's main job) and the game design is still being tweaked and developed for the future (LOTV is in development). is that what wanted from sc2 when it was announced, pathetic 4k viewers when no tournaments are going on? If players are retiring, teams disbanding, viewership is falling and tournaments are shutting down you can get general idea that scene is declining. Or you can keep on lying to yourself that everything is ok. DB and DK did a pretty bad job, remember bl/infestors, warhounds, helbats? All their changes are temporal bandages until the game is dumbed down to one-dimensional strategies. WCS is huge, plenty of players still making some money streaming, lots of other content. I don't see any cause for alarm. You sir are in denial. As I'm writting this, the biggest featured sc2 streamer gets less than 1k viewer ( dragon at 955). The biggest LoL streamer atm is TSM's mid laner with almost 8000 viewers. This is considerably low, especially since TI3 is going on, which is a moba (LoL's direct competition).Most of the time, you will see Phantomlord, or Dyrus, or Wingsofdeathx with around 20k viewers. Every weekend (friday-saturday-sunday) LCS EU and then LCS NA get up to 130k viewers.. EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON. That is to say just how much sc2 streams are empty. I hear people talking about maps.. truth of the matter is, maps barely make a difference in this game. Considering a 200 food army can get through a tiny passage just as fast as they can move on an open field, the only aspect of the map that is important is the rush distance, and the expands set-up. It will take a lot more than that to actually fix the game and make it watchable. First of all, the macro part of the game is just too damn fast: in 10 blizzard minutes, a zerg gets maxed out... where does that leave time for small engagements and clever harassments (corsair killing overlords in BW, for example)? Then the armies move just too damn well: it is just so easy to push an advantage to a win. Take LoL for example ( i don't know DoTA2 enough but I do know its even more pronounced than in LoL), even if you Ace the enemy team in the early to mid game, the best advantage you can get (considering their nexus are not open to be destroyed), is 1 or 2 turrets, maybe a baron buff, or their blue-red buffs. Yes you get gold advantage, yes you get some free farm, but the game is not over for the enemy team.. comebacks happen very often. In BW, a battle win didn't mean a game win, it meant that you could destroy an expand, or secure another base (and base income saturation was better done too, but let's not go there). In SC2, if you win a fight, you can almost certainly snowball it into a win. There is something fundamentally wrong in a strategy game when a 20 minutes game is decided in a 30 seconds fight. I remeber a lot of games where your statment is true on, but i also know a lot of games where it´s not true! There are a lot of games with back and forward action over a long period of time. They might be rare but they can happen. Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ User was temp banned for this post. F.O.A.D. was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-07-11 08:47:21 and had 95 posts.
Reason: Looks like you didn't get the message last time. You come off a ban and go into a thread that has nothing to do with balance and whine about game design. Seems like we are talking about this guy every 10 pages or something. That's an interesting use of 'anymore' in the banned post ("...anymore it seems..."). 'Anymore' is one of a number of English words that has a complicated syntax requiring that it appear under the scope of words with a negative valence, such as "It does not seem inevitable anymore that Z will eventually fold". It doesn't have to be negation though. "I doubt he'll come around here anymore" is fine, but "I hope he'll come around here anymore" is not. Nobody is explicitly taught any of this, instead just picking it up naturally. It's hard to imagine a native speaker making the mistake, which is a bit odd since F.O.A.D lists Canada (though immigration is obviously a possibility). Greetings fellow semanticist, I'm glad people talk about Negative Polarity Items on teamliquid. To make it more precise, it's really "any" that requires a specific context to be licensed (negation is one of them, the antecedent of a conditional is another: "if John eats any more apples, he'll burst", etc.) I'm not a native speaker myself, but I have a feeling I know what might have triggered the mistake in the banned post. The word "but" has a negative connotation (but a contextual one), so F.O.A.D. might have corrected the sentence in his own mind to have a stronger form of negation in it. I also support making NPI violations a bannable offense on TL.
I support making critique of other posters' grammar anywhere on the internet a bannable offense.
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On August 09 2013 18:56 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:53 Ghanburighan wrote:On August 09 2013 17:52 frogrubdown wrote:On August 09 2013 17:41 Cokefreak wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 15:23 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 15:16 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 14:47 saddaromma wrote:
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is that what wanted from sc2 when it was announced, pathetic 4k viewers when no tournaments are going on?
If players are retiring, teams disbanding, viewership is falling and tournaments are shutting down you can get general idea that scene is declining. Or you can keep on lying to yourself that everything is ok.
DB and DK did a pretty bad job, remember bl/infestors, warhounds, helbats? All their changes are temporal bandages until the game is dumbed down to one-dimensional strategies. WCS is huge, plenty of players still making some money streaming, lots of other content. I don't see any cause for alarm. You sir are in denial. As I'm writting this, the biggest featured sc2 streamer gets less than 1k viewer ( dragon at 955). The biggest LoL streamer atm is TSM's mid laner with almost 8000 viewers. This is considerably low, especially since TI3 is going on, which is a moba (LoL's direct competition).Most of the time, you will see Phantomlord, or Dyrus, or Wingsofdeathx with around 20k viewers. Every weekend (friday-saturday-sunday) LCS EU and then LCS NA get up to 130k viewers.. EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON. That is to say just how much sc2 streams are empty. I hear people talking about maps.. truth of the matter is, maps barely make a difference in this game. Considering a 200 food army can get through a tiny passage just as fast as they can move on an open field, the only aspect of the map that is important is the rush distance, and the expands set-up. It will take a lot more than that to actually fix the game and make it watchable. First of all, the macro part of the game is just too damn fast: in 10 blizzard minutes, a zerg gets maxed out... where does that leave time for small engagements and clever harassments (corsair killing overlords in BW, for example)? Then the armies move just too damn well: it is just so easy to push an advantage to a win. Take LoL for example ( i don't know DoTA2 enough but I do know its even more pronounced than in LoL), even if you Ace the enemy team in the early to mid game, the best advantage you can get (considering their nexus are not open to be destroyed), is 1 or 2 turrets, maybe a baron buff, or their blue-red buffs. Yes you get gold advantage, yes you get some free farm, but the game is not over for the enemy team.. comebacks happen very often. In BW, a battle win didn't mean a game win, it meant that you could destroy an expand, or secure another base (and base income saturation was better done too, but let's not go there). In SC2, if you win a fight, you can almost certainly snowball it into a win. There is something fundamentally wrong in a strategy game when a 20 minutes game is decided in a 30 seconds fight. I remeber a lot of games where your statment is true on, but i also know a lot of games where it´s not true! There are a lot of games with back and forward action over a long period of time. They might be rare but they can happen. Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ User was temp banned for this post. F.O.A.D. was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-07-11 08:47:21 and had 95 posts.
Reason: Looks like you didn't get the message last time. You come off a ban and go into a thread that has nothing to do with balance and whine about game design. Seems like we are talking about this guy every 10 pages or something. That's an interesting use of 'anymore' in the banned post ("...anymore it seems..."). 'Anymore' is one of a number of English words that has a complicated syntax requiring that it appear under the scope of words with a negative valence, such as "It does not seem inevitable anymore that Z will eventually fold". It doesn't have to be negation though. "I doubt he'll come around here anymore" is fine, but "I hope he'll come around here anymore" is not. Nobody is explicitly taught any of this, instead just picking it up naturally. It's hard to imagine a native speaker making the mistake, which is a bit odd since F.O.A.D lists Canada (though immigration is obviously a possibility). Greetings fellow semanticist, I'm glad people talk about Negative Polarity Items on teamliquid. To make it more precise, it's really "any" that requires a specific context to be licensed (negation is one of them, the antecedent of a conditional is another: "if John eats any more apples, he'll burst", etc.) I'm not a native speaker myself, but I have a feeling I know what might have triggered the mistake in the banned post. The word "but" has a negative connotation (but a contextual one), so F.O.A.D. might have corrected the sentence in his own mind to have a stronger form of negation in it. I also support making NPI violations a bannable offense on TL. I support making critique of other posters' grammar anywhere on the internet a bannable offense.
I'm in the clear then, it's not a grammar mistake, at least not in any standard sense.
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Moto X was just banned by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-08-09 18:17:33 and had 1 posts.
Reason: Advertising.
That was not at all unexpected of him/her.
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If i'm not mistaken we will shortly have a ban with the reason : "I think not"... Wait and see if i know my TL mods right
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On August 09 2013 20:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
If i'm not mistaken we will shortly have a ban with the reason : "I think not"... Wait and see if i know my TL mods right
You were mistaken.
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On August 09 2013 20:30 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 20:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
If i'm not mistaken we will shortly have a ban with the reason : "I think not"... Wait and see if i know my TL mods right You were mistaken.
Damnit ! it's like mods have no sense of humor !
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On August 09 2013 19:27 Hexo411 wrote:
I think penis.
User was temp banned for this post.
Post of the year
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And he is mine ! (insert evil laugh)
How the hell wasn't it a ban with a 15post account insulting lots of people in a two liner ?
On August 09 2013 05:55 TronJovolta wrote:
Upon second thought, I'm selfishly grateful for Life not bringing in huge results recently. Means all the faggy bandwagoners will get off his jock and move onto the next flavor of the week.
User was warned for this post
=> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424412¤tpage=4
Looking through his posts, i see bashing iDra and something that smells caster bashing... Am i to noob to ABL for being right ? Overreacting much ? Seeing too much of this ?
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On August 09 2013 18:42 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:52 frogrubdown wrote:On August 09 2013 17:41 Cokefreak wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 15:23 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 15:16 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 14:47 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 14:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
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Holy fuck when will these crap-quality posts stop coming in? You realize that there are probably a LOT of SC2 fans watching TI3 right now? There isn't ANY SC2 tournament going on and not a ton of big people streaming either. Please try and use a little common sense before posting a random screenshot and using it as the backbone of your ludicrous argument.
Also... Low entertainment value? Did you watch any of WCS this week? There were a bunch of great games, why don't you watch Grubby vs Hasuobs if you don't believe me.
Edit: Of course SC2 isn't a perfect game, but how does demanding that Dustin Browder and David Kim get fired seem like a reasonable/realistic argument and does it really solve any of the current problems? Blizzard is more than just 2 people and AFAIK the game balance is doing fairly well (Kim's main job) and the game design is still being tweaked and developed for the future (LOTV is in development). is that what wanted from sc2 when it was announced, pathetic 4k viewers when no tournaments are going on? If players are retiring, teams disbanding, viewership is falling and tournaments are shutting down you can get general idea that scene is declining. Or you can keep on lying to yourself that everything is ok. DB and DK did a pretty bad job, remember bl/infestors, warhounds, helbats? All their changes are temporal bandages until the game is dumbed down to one-dimensional strategies. WCS is huge, plenty of players still making some money streaming, lots of other content. I don't see any cause for alarm. You sir are in denial. As I'm writting this, the biggest featured sc2 streamer gets less than 1k viewer ( dragon at 955). The biggest LoL streamer atm is TSM's mid laner with almost 8000 viewers. This is considerably low, especially since TI3 is going on, which is a moba (LoL's direct competition).Most of the time, you will see Phantomlord, or Dyrus, or Wingsofdeathx with around 20k viewers. Every weekend (friday-saturday-sunday) LCS EU and then LCS NA get up to 130k viewers.. EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON. That is to say just how much sc2 streams are empty. I hear people talking about maps.. truth of the matter is, maps barely make a difference in this game. Considering a 200 food army can get through a tiny passage just as fast as they can move on an open field, the only aspect of the map that is important is the rush distance, and the expands set-up. It will take a lot more than that to actually fix the game and make it watchable. First of all, the macro part of the game is just too damn fast: in 10 blizzard minutes, a zerg gets maxed out... where does that leave time for small engagements and clever harassments (corsair killing overlords in BW, for example)? Then the armies move just too damn well: it is just so easy to push an advantage to a win. Take LoL for example ( i don't know DoTA2 enough but I do know its even more pronounced than in LoL), even if you Ace the enemy team in the early to mid game, the best advantage you can get (considering their nexus are not open to be destroyed), is 1 or 2 turrets, maybe a baron buff, or their blue-red buffs. Yes you get gold advantage, yes you get some free farm, but the game is not over for the enemy team.. comebacks happen very often. In BW, a battle win didn't mean a game win, it meant that you could destroy an expand, or secure another base (and base income saturation was better done too, but let's not go there). In SC2, if you win a fight, you can almost certainly snowball it into a win. There is something fundamentally wrong in a strategy game when a 20 minutes game is decided in a 30 seconds fight. I remeber a lot of games where your statment is true on, but i also know a lot of games where it´s not true! There are a lot of games with back and forward action over a long period of time. They might be rare but they can happen. Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ User was temp banned for this post. F.O.A.D. was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-07-11 08:47:21 and had 95 posts.
Reason: Looks like you didn't get the message last time. You come off a ban and go into a thread that has nothing to do with balance and whine about game design. Seems like we are talking about this guy every 10 pages or something. That's an interesting use of 'anymore' in the banned post ("...anymore it seems..."). 'Anymore' is one of a number of English words that has a complicated syntax requiring that it appear under the scope of words with a negative valence, such as "It does not seem inevitable anymore that Z will eventually fold". It doesn't have to be negation though. "I doubt he'll come around here anymore" is fine, but "I hope he'll come around here anymore" is not. Nobody is explicitly taught any of this, instead just picking it up naturally. It's hard to imagine a native speaker making the mistake, which is a bit odd since F.O.A.D lists Canada (though immigration is obviously a possibility). French Canadian perhaps?
Good idea. I don't know much about French Canadians' use of English (other than that they say "Open the light" for "Turn on the light"), but I was under the impression that they pretty much all had native speaker level competence. Not at all sure about this though.
On August 09 2013 18:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:52 frogrubdown wrote:On August 09 2013 17:41 Cokefreak wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 15:23 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 15:16 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 14:47 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 14:35 Erik.TheRed wrote:
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Holy fuck when will these crap-quality posts stop coming in? You realize that there are probably a LOT of SC2 fans watching TI3 right now? There isn't ANY SC2 tournament going on and not a ton of big people streaming either. Please try and use a little common sense before posting a random screenshot and using it as the backbone of your ludicrous argument.
Also... Low entertainment value? Did you watch any of WCS this week? There were a bunch of great games, why don't you watch Grubby vs Hasuobs if you don't believe me.
Edit: Of course SC2 isn't a perfect game, but how does demanding that Dustin Browder and David Kim get fired seem like a reasonable/realistic argument and does it really solve any of the current problems? Blizzard is more than just 2 people and AFAIK the game balance is doing fairly well (Kim's main job) and the game design is still being tweaked and developed for the future (LOTV is in development). is that what wanted from sc2 when it was announced, pathetic 4k viewers when no tournaments are going on? If players are retiring, teams disbanding, viewership is falling and tournaments are shutting down you can get general idea that scene is declining. Or you can keep on lying to yourself that everything is ok. DB and DK did a pretty bad job, remember bl/infestors, warhounds, helbats? All their changes are temporal bandages until the game is dumbed down to one-dimensional strategies. WCS is huge, plenty of players still making some money streaming, lots of other content. I don't see any cause for alarm. You sir are in denial. As I'm writting this, the biggest featured sc2 streamer gets less than 1k viewer ( dragon at 955). The biggest LoL streamer atm is TSM's mid laner with almost 8000 viewers. This is considerably low, especially since TI3 is going on, which is a moba (LoL's direct competition).Most of the time, you will see Phantomlord, or Dyrus, or Wingsofdeathx with around 20k viewers. Every weekend (friday-saturday-sunday) LCS EU and then LCS NA get up to 130k viewers.. EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON. That is to say just how much sc2 streams are empty. I hear people talking about maps.. truth of the matter is, maps barely make a difference in this game. Considering a 200 food army can get through a tiny passage just as fast as they can move on an open field, the only aspect of the map that is important is the rush distance, and the expands set-up. It will take a lot more than that to actually fix the game and make it watchable. First of all, the macro part of the game is just too damn fast: in 10 blizzard minutes, a zerg gets maxed out... where does that leave time for small engagements and clever harassments (corsair killing overlords in BW, for example)? Then the armies move just too damn well: it is just so easy to push an advantage to a win. Take LoL for example ( i don't know DoTA2 enough but I do know its even more pronounced than in LoL), even if you Ace the enemy team in the early to mid game, the best advantage you can get (considering their nexus are not open to be destroyed), is 1 or 2 turrets, maybe a baron buff, or their blue-red buffs. Yes you get gold advantage, yes you get some free farm, but the game is not over for the enemy team.. comebacks happen very often. In BW, a battle win didn't mean a game win, it meant that you could destroy an expand, or secure another base (and base income saturation was better done too, but let's not go there). In SC2, if you win a fight, you can almost certainly snowball it into a win. There is something fundamentally wrong in a strategy game when a 20 minutes game is decided in a 30 seconds fight. I remeber a lot of games where your statment is true on, but i also know a lot of games where it´s not true! There are a lot of games with back and forward action over a long period of time. They might be rare but they can happen. Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ User was temp banned for this post. F.O.A.D. was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-07-11 08:47:21 and had 95 posts.
Reason: Looks like you didn't get the message last time. You come off a ban and go into a thread that has nothing to do with balance and whine about game design. Seems like we are talking about this guy every 10 pages or something. That's an interesting use of 'anymore' in the banned post ("...anymore it seems..."). 'Anymore' is one of a number of English words that has a complicated syntax requiring that it appear under the scope of words with a negative valence, such as "It does not seem inevitable anymore that Z will eventually fold". It doesn't have to be negation though. "I doubt he'll come around here anymore" is fine, but "I hope he'll come around here anymore" is not. Nobody is explicitly taught any of this, instead just picking it up naturally. It's hard to imagine a native speaker making the mistake, which is a bit odd since F.O.A.D lists Canada (though immigration is obviously a possibility). Greetings fellow semanticist, I'm glad people talk about Negative Polarity Items on teamliquid. To make it more precise, it's really "any" that requires a specific context to be licensed (negation is one of them, the antecedent of a conditional is another: "if John eats any more apples, he'll burst", etc.) I'm not a native speaker myself, but I have a feeling I know what might have triggered the mistake in the banned post. The word "but" has a negative connotation (but a contextual one), so F.O.A.D. might have corrected the sentence in his own mind to have a stronger form of negation in it. I also support making NPI violations a bannable offense on TL.
Not quite a semanticist, but my focus on philosophy of language has meant studying a lot of linguistics, especially semantics and pragmatics. 'But' could definitely be relevant here.
On August 09 2013 18:56 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:53 Ghanburighan wrote:On August 09 2013 17:52 frogrubdown wrote:On August 09 2013 17:41 Cokefreak wrote:On August 09 2013 15:43 F.O.A.D. wrote:On August 09 2013 15:34 saddaromma wrote:On August 09 2013 15:23 Gonzo103 wrote:On August 09 2013 15:16 Patate wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 14:47 saddaromma wrote:
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is that what wanted from sc2 when it was announced, pathetic 4k viewers when no tournaments are going on?
If players are retiring, teams disbanding, viewership is falling and tournaments are shutting down you can get general idea that scene is declining. Or you can keep on lying to yourself that everything is ok.
DB and DK did a pretty bad job, remember bl/infestors, warhounds, helbats? All their changes are temporal bandages until the game is dumbed down to one-dimensional strategies. WCS is huge, plenty of players still making some money streaming, lots of other content. I don't see any cause for alarm. You sir are in denial. As I'm writting this, the biggest featured sc2 streamer gets less than 1k viewer ( dragon at 955). The biggest LoL streamer atm is TSM's mid laner with almost 8000 viewers. This is considerably low, especially since TI3 is going on, which is a moba (LoL's direct competition).Most of the time, you will see Phantomlord, or Dyrus, or Wingsofdeathx with around 20k viewers. Every weekend (friday-saturday-sunday) LCS EU and then LCS NA get up to 130k viewers.. EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON. That is to say just how much sc2 streams are empty. I hear people talking about maps.. truth of the matter is, maps barely make a difference in this game. Considering a 200 food army can get through a tiny passage just as fast as they can move on an open field, the only aspect of the map that is important is the rush distance, and the expands set-up. It will take a lot more than that to actually fix the game and make it watchable. First of all, the macro part of the game is just too damn fast: in 10 blizzard minutes, a zerg gets maxed out... where does that leave time for small engagements and clever harassments (corsair killing overlords in BW, for example)? Then the armies move just too damn well: it is just so easy to push an advantage to a win. Take LoL for example ( i don't know DoTA2 enough but I do know its even more pronounced than in LoL), even if you Ace the enemy team in the early to mid game, the best advantage you can get (considering their nexus are not open to be destroyed), is 1 or 2 turrets, maybe a baron buff, or their blue-red buffs. Yes you get gold advantage, yes you get some free farm, but the game is not over for the enemy team.. comebacks happen very often. In BW, a battle win didn't mean a game win, it meant that you could destroy an expand, or secure another base (and base income saturation was better done too, but let's not go there). In SC2, if you win a fight, you can almost certainly snowball it into a win. There is something fundamentally wrong in a strategy game when a 20 minutes game is decided in a 30 seconds fight. I remeber a lot of games where your statment is true on, but i also know a lot of games where it´s not true! There are a lot of games with back and forward action over a long period of time. They might be rare but they can happen. Thats the problem, its rare, I'm not in denial, I admit that there some exceptionally good games in SC2 (Nestea vs sC). But if we want sc2 to be succesful, good games should happen far more often. PvP is so far only matchup I like to watch. Any mu with Zerg in it sucks anymore. If it isn't an all-in vT, then it's just the Z slowly dying to M/M/M/WM, unless the T-player is vastly inferior. Yeah those M/M/M/WM v. Muta/Ling/Bane engagements can get pretty tense, but anymore it seems inevitable that the Z will eventually fold. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor balls are boring as shit. And don't even get me started on Swarm Hosts -.-.zZ User was temp banned for this post. F.O.A.D. was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.
That account was created on 2013-07-11 08:47:21 and had 95 posts.
Reason: Looks like you didn't get the message last time. You come off a ban and go into a thread that has nothing to do with balance and whine about game design. Seems like we are talking about this guy every 10 pages or something. That's an interesting use of 'anymore' in the banned post ("...anymore it seems..."). 'Anymore' is one of a number of English words that has a complicated syntax requiring that it appear under the scope of words with a negative valence, such as "It does not seem inevitable anymore that Z will eventually fold". It doesn't have to be negation though. "I doubt he'll come around here anymore" is fine, but "I hope he'll come around here anymore" is not. Nobody is explicitly taught any of this, instead just picking it up naturally. It's hard to imagine a native speaker making the mistake, which is a bit odd since F.O.A.D lists Canada (though immigration is obviously a possibility). Greetings fellow semanticist, I'm glad people talk about Negative Polarity Items on teamliquid. To make it more precise, it's really "any" that requires a specific context to be licensed (negation is one of them, the antecedent of a conditional is another: "if John eats any more apples, he'll burst", etc.) I'm not a native speaker myself, but I have a feeling I know what might have triggered the mistake in the banned post. The word "but" has a negative connotation (but a contextual one), so F.O.A.D. might have corrected the sentence in his own mind to have a stronger form of negation in it. I also support making NPI violations a bannable offense on TL. I support making critique of other posters' grammar anywhere on the internet a bannable offense.
As Ghanburighan gestured at, there's a big difference between this type of mistake and the ordinary type of grammar mistake that people point out. Most of those cases involve prescriptive grammar, which often consists of made up rules based on falsehoods about past use and/or confusions about etymology (good examples of this involve prohibitions against split infinitives, prepositions at the end of a sentence, and using 'decimate' to more or less mean 'destroy').
These rules have next to no role in ordinary discourse, so you won't learn them without being explicitly taught them. This is what makes them a great tool as a status symbol, at least for people with nothing better to boast about than the memorization of made up, pointless rules.
The type of rule I discussed above is descriptive, not prescriptive. No one is explicitly taught it but all native speakers pick up on it anyway. Because of this, complaining about it cannot be effectively used as a status symbol. And since no one is explicitly taught the rule, people wouldn't even know what to complain about. They can feel something wrong in "He eats anymore" which isn't wrong in "Does he eat anymore?", but don't have some rule in mind to diagnose the cause of that feeling.
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decimate doesnt mean destroy?
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On August 10 2013 05:03 ComaDose wrote:
decimate doesnt mean destroy?
No, it does; that's the point. But pedants will call you stupid for using the two synonymously, because 'decimate' is derived from a latin word which more specifically meant to destroy 1/10 of, based on a military discipline practice which involved doing so.
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On August 10 2013 05:06 frogrubdown wrote:No, it does; that's the point. But pedants will call you stupid for using the two synonymously, because 'decimate' is derived from a latin word which more specifically meant to destroy 1/10 of, based on a military discipline practice which involved doing so.
neat.... this resulted in a good wiki read
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On August 10 2013 05:06 frogrubdown wrote:No, it does; that's the point. But pedants will call you stupid for using the two synonymously, because 'decimate' is derived from a latin word which more specifically meant to destroy 1/10 of, based on a military discipline practice which involved doing so.
Wow, I did not know this. But the wiki article made it clear. Also, one could respond to the pedants by pointing out that the Legion of Thebes was decimated to the last man, because the process was repeated until the offenders bowed their head. If they did not surrender, well, they were decimated until no man was left standing. And that gives the usual meaning of "to destroy."
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On August 09 2013 21:34 FFW_Rude wrote:And he is mine ! (insert evil laugh) How the hell wasn't it a ban with a 15post account insulting lots of people in a two liner ? Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 05:55 TronJovolta wrote:
Upon second thought, I'm selfishly grateful for Life not bringing in huge results recently. Means all the faggy bandwagoners will get off his jock and move onto the next flavor of the week.
User was warned for this post => http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424412¤tpage=4 Looking through his posts, i see bashing iDra and something that smells caster bashing... Am i to noob to ABL for being right ? Overreacting much ? Seeing too much of this ?
ABL choice awards level? I think so  .
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Yeah that TronJovolta is a top notch poster.
On August 10 2013 04:54 TronJovolta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 03:55 StarStruck wrote:Leenock and Life are still in purgatory lol. Oh and for this.. On August 09 2013 21:26 Nebuchad wrote:On August 09 2013 20:43 Noocta wrote:
Yeah ! More totally faceless kespa koreans D: How about doing research yourself so that you can give them a face next time? You don't know who the fuck Pigbaby? You ought to wake up then because he's a monster. (Directed at Noocta obviously). Some people really don't pay attention to the scene, lol. FYI he was a favorite in that group. On August 10 2013 01:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 10 2013 01:39 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 10 2013 01:17 TommyP wrote:It would be completely idiotic to give Leenock the NesTea award lol. Why would he get it? Its 10 seasons of Code S not 9 seasons of code S and 1 of Starleague. So happy keen made it though. 3 MVP players in Code S (soon to be four when DRG wins NesTea award ) As if he could control it being Starleague? And everyone calls OSL Code S anyway. We all know it's Code S. So it is 9 seasons of GOM Code S and then 1 season of OGN Code S. It was Code S nontheless and he qualified through GOMtv Up and Down last season. If it had been a completely separate qualifier I wouldn't argue. But 10 seasons in a row is 10 seasons in a row. Oh well, SC2 just lost a few more viewers until he gets the award. Deserving ppl not getting what they achieved is pretty bullshit. It's like changing the prizepool in a tournament right before the final. Lol you must be new here. Even back in the Brood War days MSL and OSL (and GOM Classic) were always separate entities. Why would an achievement in an OGN tournament count towards a GOM tournament series title? Hardly reasonable. And lol @ "SC2 just lost a few more viewers until he gets the award." Wow... that line was so edgy you managed to cut me even though we're not in the same country. XDDDDDDD I'm getting tired of it too and it doesn't help when I always thought the term Code S and Code A was stupid. Whomever came up with that idea. This is me giving you the CJ face. -_- At least you guys could have branched it to other sports. You know, it might just help outsiders better understand the complex system instead of going, "what does that even mean?" Yeah, stop kidding yourself. Keen and Leenock were easily the favorites, and Avenge is more popular (and has more recent notable results in GSTL) than Pigbaby. Pigbaby is a nobody. Just because you're a fan doesn't make him a favorite hahaha.
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why am i on this site? the tl+ power users all hate me, the staff either are too new to know me or hate me, and the mods definitely hate the shit out of me
who could possibly be this masochistic?
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