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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:23 farvacola wrote: motbob is referencing kafkaesque's assumption that the poster he replied to, tl2212, is an SNM alt, hence the use of the word "plant", as in tl2212 is an SNM plant. i was wondering what vegetable he had used. turnip first came to mind. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
Think about what snm is being accused of. Is there anything more egotistical as making smurf accounts to praise yourself? Any person who was caught doing that would be laughed out of the SC2 community very quickly. As such, it's a very serious accusation to make towards a public figure. The accusation is not only serious but also ridiculous. To assume that any new account defending snm must by snm himself is essentially to assume that no rational person would enjoy snm's casting, which is incredibly insulting. Surely, a post by a new user bashing snm's casting would not assumed to be the smurf of someone looking to get him fired and take his job casting SPL. Because the accusation was both damaging and groundless, it drew a ban. EDIT: If you think the accusation had any basis in reality, you probably need to think about whether your opinion of snm's casting is affecting your judgment. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:50 farvacola wrote: haha, I was just about to post that ban and see what phreak had to say on the matter only my friends are allowed to call me asshole. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
AmericanNightmare's best line, from his warning as well was, Stop trying to be a victim and get a couple ounces of civility because I'm not the one being a lying asshole. yep. I am on the internet. | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
And because the actual ban never got posted  AmericanNightmare was just temp banned for 1 week by semioldguy. That account was created on 2011-09-23 22:28:26 and had 93 posts. Reason: Purely insulting posting, after just having recently been warned not to do so; and straying way off topic to do that. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:55 motbob wrote: Ban length is because of a long mod history. Think about what snm is being accused of. Is there anything more egotistical as making smurf accounts to praise yourself? Any person who was caught doing that would be laughed out of the SC2 community very quickly. As such, it's a very serious accusation to make towards a public figure. The accusation is not only serious but also ridiculous. To assume that any new account defending snm must by snm himself is essentially to assume that no rational person would enjoy snm's casting, which is incredibly insulting. Surely, a post by a new user bashing snm's casting would not assumed to be the smurf of someone looking to get him fired and take his job casting SPL. Because the accusation was both damaging and groundless, it drew a ban. EDIT: If you think the accusation had any basis in reality, you probably need to think about whether your opinion of snm's casting is affecting your judgment. I actually didn't consider the possibility that this would be a damaging claim to make, so long as it turned out to be false. I can definitely see where you're coming from now. I'm not in any way suggesting kafka was right with his accusation, but what with the circumstances being odd and dubious, and just me not weighing the issue as important as it is, that's where the confusion stemmed from. Thank you for the clarification! | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:55 motbob wrote: Ban length is because of a long mod history. Think about what snm is being accused of. Is there anything more egotistical as making smurf accounts to praise yourself? Any person who was caught doing that would be laughed out of the SC2 community very quickly. As such, it's a very serious accusation to make towards a public figure. The accusation is not only serious but also ridiculous. To assume that any new account defending snm must by snm himself is essentially to assume that no rational person would enjoy snm's casting, which is incredibly insulting. Surely, a post by a new user bashing snm's casting would not assumed to be the smurf of someone looking to get him fired and take his job casting SPL. Because the accusation was both damaging and groundless, it drew a ban. EDIT: If you think the accusation had any basis in reality, you probably need to think about whether your opinion of snm's casting is affecting your judgment. easy way to find out, just alias check the poster he replied to. i also think kafkaesque overstepped when he accused snm of posting it himself. it seems obvious however that the poster is a smurf, and that the post itself is not meant to be taken literally. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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ThomasjServo
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:31 AlternativeEgo wrote: There is nothing to gain from a check-up though. Either it's not SNM and there's no action to take, or it really is SNM but there's still no action to take considering the consequence that would have if made public. Nothing good would come out of it. What if it's not SNM but a different, pre-existing user? Regardless of his intentions with the account and post in question, whether he's trying to bait or simply share an unpopular opinion, that's still something forbidden by TL rules. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:49 ThomasjServo wrote: AmericanNightmare had some beef with Phreak in the Trayvon Martin thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324498¤tpage=86#1717 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324498¤tpage=89#1776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324498¤tpage=90#1787 All culminating in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324498¤tpage=91#1817 Sums it up rather neatly. I see nothing has changed in that thread. It seems to be still the same people arguing the same sides. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote: What if it's not SNM but a different, pre-existing user? Regardless of his intentions with the account and post in question, whether he's trying to bait or simply share an unpopular opinion, that's still something forbidden by TL rules. i agree with MoP, there's less to be gained by not doing a check-up. however i suspect that it's already been done, it would be the sensible thing to do. i disagree with nothing good coming out of making it public if someone broke the rules of tl, regardless of who it is. i don't think that resonates well with this thread. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:48 nunez wrote: i agree with MoP, there's less to be gained by not doing a check-up. however i suspect that it's already been done, it would be the sensible thing to do. i disagree with nothing good coming out of making it public if someone broke the rules of tl, regardless of who it is. i don't think that resonates well with this thread. Or you know, its a person with two posts on his only account, low post users do in fact exist. Clearly there are no new tl members, only the same 10 people make new accounts over and over again. Motbob confirms, it is a brand new account. Also do you really think motbob didn't check that right away, this is hardly his first rodeo | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:52 Jaaaaasper wrote: Or you know, its a person with two posts on his only account, low post users do in fact exist. Clearly there are no new tl members, only the same 10 people make new accounts over and over again. yes, it could be. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
saw this when i was going back through the bans to find the original post (and lost my train of thought): DeepElemBlues was just temp banned for 1 week by MoonBear. That account was created on 2011-01-01 09:55:31 and had 3176 posts. Reason: Time out! Firstly, stop trying to pick fights for the sake of picking fights. Your posts are rude, aggressive and serve primarily to antagonise and insult. Secondly, you have a history of trying to fight everyone and anything in threads you post in. At some point, we'd expect that after 17 mod-actions you'd have perhaps learnt something. But indeed you have not. Thirdly, don't make generalist statements, especially when trying to claim intellectual or moral superiority about issues where it is clear you do not have a full grasp of the situation. I am being kind by only issuing a one-week ban. I hope you use this time to properly reflect upon your conduct. On April 09 2013 04:11 DeepElemBlues wrote: Very well, every social democratic country in Europe bar Germany that did not engage in social welfare and tax and banking reforms in the mid-1990s are currently crashing and burning. Those countries that did engage in sensible reform would be the Scandinavian countries, who experienced on a much smaller scale the very problems the Eurozone is facing now. And guess what: they made doing business easier in their countries, they broadened the tax base, they made parts of their welfare systems means-tested, and they crafted their welfare programs in general so as to actually get people back to Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, they're already crashed and burned. Greece is electing large numbers of neo-Nazis for Chrissakes. France is teetering, much of its banking system wrapped up in debts from the above countries. That's the elephant in the room, what will happen to France if the southern Euro countries fully go belly-up. Eastern Europe is stagnant, minus countries like Estonia that told Keynesians to screw off and find themselves in fine shape. Germany cannot (or rather, will not) hand out money forever. The Eurozone is fucked and not even heaven on Earth, Scandinavia, will emerge unscathed. But it will emerge less scathed because of reforms that tightened up the social welfare system probably about the time you stopped shitting in diapers. You probably would not have been happy about them at the time. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:52 Jaaaaasper wrote: Or you know, its a person with two posts on his only account, low post users do in fact exist. Clearly there are no new tl members, only the same 10 people make new accounts over and over again. There's no need to be snide. The fact remains that new accounts typically shy away from making controversial posts, and when they don't they go full-on flame mode and earn themselves a nice red ban. And the fact that this account is neither of those is exactly what sparks this curiosity and doubt and what makes us question the authenticity. We can't know for sure, obviously, but this is an uncommon occurrence and so we speculate. In the end, I might live to see this account overtake me in post count by next year. Or it may end up like many accounts in desRow's or avilo's fanclub that only post there once calling them the best streamer in the world, never to be seen again. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
Here is the post from Deep for you phreak. (EDIT: Woops you got it) Though motbob confirmed, I deal with a large number of handles and user names on the daily at work and that was probably one of the worse looking ones in terms of coming off a legitimate. A short abbreviation plus a bunch of numbers you could spam on a 10 key, would attract my attention. Regarding DeepElm's ban, Thatcher has claimed five bans thus far. I expected more. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
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