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On June 22 2013 08:22 oneill12 wrote:
I don't have a source of revenue for now, being a student still but I would like to support TL this way in the future. Also in a country with living standards like mine a couple of bucks means way more than in others. Very hopeful that TL grows and I like TL+
you're my third gift. i will gift the next two people who would like to contribute but dont have the funds to do so.
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Not for me, but I like the idea. Don't feel like I'm losing anything by not subscribing.
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On June 22 2013 08:28 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:22 oneill12 wrote:
I don't have a source of revenue for now, being a student still but I would like to support TL this way in the future. Also in a country with living standards like mine a couple of bucks means way more than in others. Very hopeful that TL grows and I like TL+ you're my third gift. i will gift the next two people who would like to contribute but dont have the funds to do so.
Poor male engineering student will striptease for membership? I dunno... I got nothing. D: Will eat snot for... too far?
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On June 22 2013 08:28 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:22 oneill12 wrote:
I don't have a source of revenue for now, being a student still but I would like to support TL this way in the future. Also in a country with living standards like mine a couple of bucks means way more than in others. Very hopeful that TL grows and I like TL+ you're my third gift. i will gift the next two people who would like to contribute but dont have the funds to do so.
errrrr...
I think i see a problem with you saying this.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:22 oneill12 wrote:
I don't have a source of revenue for now, being a student still but I would like to support TL this way in the future. Also in a country with living standards like mine a couple of bucks means way more than in others. Very hopeful that TL grows and I like TL+
The fact that someone gave this guy TL+ mere minutes after the post was made is one of the many reasons I love TL
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On June 22 2013 08:17 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:14 Impervious wrote:
I'd like to purchase 12 months of this to support TL, but Paypal won't let me purchase it without making an account with them because I'm in Canada.
I had a very bad experience with Paypal in the recent past, and I really do not want to use their service to do this :/ Is there any other way? Unfortunately we only take PayPal right now. I was half seriously thinking about adding bitcoin support though  .
Lol.
Ok, I'll try to figure something else out.
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On June 22 2013 08:20 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 07:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On June 22 2013 06:33 Nakama wrote:On June 22 2013 06:26 Piy wrote:
Don't like the commercialisation at all, but whatever I guess. Whole feeling of the community is so changed from a few years ago, makes me realise why I participate less and less.
Just my opinion, not just on this issue, but also the general trend of modern e-sports. Regardless of how much money people are making now, I had a lot more fun with Starcraft 5 years ago. Now I don't play or watch it, and endless adverts and sponsor shout outs and reddit posts about the stagnation of esports' growth just make me not want to. Was just better when I could watch an hour or so of fresh BW VOD's, play at the A/B ranks and not have to spend forever finding games (back when Iccup was a viable server) and enjoy the community interaction on TL.'
Feels now like something great is gone forever. I would love nothing more than to go back to BW being the niche game it was with a decent, dedicated following and a fun community; the thought of never truly getting to experience my favourite game of all time again is very disheartening and depressing.
Can't wait for the next good competitive RTS tbh, will hopefully be fun again. This... i think sth in my heart died today.. TL was the last site i expected to implement sth like this.. build by fans run by fans... i will miss the good old times.. i always tried my best to support TL with the little i have but now i think i will adblock it again... im not trying to be offensive btw i just cant understand why the old system worked for so long and now suddenly they need to make sth like this other then greed i hope someone can give me some good arguments so i can get my faith back into my so loved number one website. I created TL in 2002 when thought we could fill a special spot in the BW scene. In the first eight years it was a completely voluntary job for me (first I was an SC progamer, then I supported myself through poker). I think you should know that I worked my ass off the eight years before you created your account, without ever expecting this would one day become a business. Today TeamLiquid.net has become a monster to manage that can't be ran based on anyone's passion alone. As a website offering so much to its users it is impossible to maintain without monetization. We have about 200 staff members the vast majority of whom are voluntary. However as with any organization we absolutely must have paid quality staff to lead and accommodate such a massive group of people, and to create revenue to pay for all the costs involved with running a website as large as this. In terms of monetization I believe we have always stuck close to the principles that drove me to do this for eight years as a hobby. We've never considered doing popups, we have never locked popular public content behind paywalls, and we have never put up donation buttons. I think that we do a decent job at creating revenue sources that do not create negatives for those who don't want to spend money. Think of the store, non-instrusive ads, pay-what-you-want models, and TL+, which takes no functionality away from anyone who isn't interested in buying it. no offense, but we heard the "well this site costs money, it's hard to just break even" argument quite a couple of times. It came up on various occasions, last time i recall was the opening of TL store. I don't buy it. Judging by TL's unique clicks per day and the estimated revenue of the shop and other cooperations, such as papa johns pizza deal and sponsored threads, i assume TL was making quite some (not naming any numbers) in profit before the introduction of TL+. And i did take into account that people get paid as well. If this is hilarious to you, open up your finances to the users. I would be more inclined to support TL by such a feature if i knew this site was having a hard time on breaking even.
I think you grossly underestimate what it takes for a site to "break even" if you include employee salaries. There are several full time staff members at TL, and not one of them lives beyond their means. In fact, the compensation level was enough for me to turn down full time work to pursue "a real job".
No business is going to open up their finances to you to show that they meet what you personally decide is the most noble. I'll spill the beans for you. Simply put, the quality of life for a full time TL employee is just-liveable.
This isn't a charity or some not-for-profit organization. People need to live their lives on the basis of the work. Do you "break even" at your job? Or do you expect to make some money so that you can afford to live your life?
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I am curious, not that it will happen to me, what happens if you are banned during time purchased?
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On June 22 2013 08:40 vaderseven wrote:
I am curious, not that it will happen to me, what happens if you are banned during time purchased?
Nothing would happen. You made a one-time purchase. It was your choice to revoke your rights if it happens =/
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best trailer ive seen in a long time : D
Think ill wait abit longer before subscribing, already bought your mousemat as support not long ago. Maybe if there were some more features that I would use regularly, or there was a lifetime sub i'd consider it. Anyhow, Im glad the site still stays the same for non-subs, and I hope it stays that way.
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On June 22 2013 08:28 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 08:22 oneill12 wrote:
I don't have a source of revenue for now, being a student still but I would like to support TL this way in the future. Also in a country with living standards like mine a couple of bucks means way more than in others. Very hopeful that TL grows and I like TL+ you're my third gift. i will gift the next two people who would like to contribute but dont have the funds to do so.
i cant pay for it right now! please help me mr lawyer man.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:40 vaderseven wrote:
I am curious, not that it will happen to me, what happens if you are banned during time purchased?
You will be banned - I don't think it changes anything; TL+ doesn't make you unbannable by any means
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I dunno what y'all are complaining about. The features are meh but it's a way to support my favorite NA Dota team. Best of all, the current user experience won't be changed at all, so this is really just a way for users and TL fans to give back to the organization for all the nice events and entertainment we've gotten over the years. I'll definitely be getting this as soon as I can afford it.
TL hwaiting!
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Feel free to test it though.
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If only I wasn't a poor student I would do this .. sniff
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Oh god I already just donated to a starcraft stream, but I'll definitely do this when I can pay again(half a year).
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TL is more than a forum now as they own sc2 and dota 2 teams. Obviously TL.net will need extra income in order to maintain and branch to other games or improve site. People that are stil living in the early 2000s era need to adapt to reality l0l. If you want to support its cool, if not that's cool also.
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On June 22 2013 07:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 06:33 Nakama wrote:On June 22 2013 06:26 Piy wrote:
Don't like the commercialisation at all, but whatever I guess. Whole feeling of the community is so changed from a few years ago, makes me realise why I participate less and less.
Just my opinion, not just on this issue, but also the general trend of modern e-sports. Regardless of how much money people are making now, I had a lot more fun with Starcraft 5 years ago. Now I don't play or watch it, and endless adverts and sponsor shout outs and reddit posts about the stagnation of esports' growth just make me not want to. Was just better when I could watch an hour or so of fresh BW VOD's, play at the A/B ranks and not have to spend forever finding games (back when Iccup was a viable server) and enjoy the community interaction on TL.'
Feels now like something great is gone forever. I would love nothing more than to go back to BW being the niche game it was with a decent, dedicated following and a fun community; the thought of never truly getting to experience my favourite game of all time again is very disheartening and depressing.
Can't wait for the next good competitive RTS tbh, will hopefully be fun again. This... i think sth in my heart died today.. TL was the last site i expected to implement sth like this.. build by fans run by fans... i will miss the good old times.. i always tried my best to support TL with the little i have but now i think i will adblock it again... im not trying to be offensive btw i just cant understand why the old system worked for so long and now suddenly they need to make sth like this other then greed i hope someone can give me some good arguments so i can get my faith back into my so loved number one website. I created TL in 2002 when thought we could fill a special spot in the BW scene. In the first eight years it was a completely voluntary job for me (first I was an SC progamer, then I supported myself through poker). I think you should know that I worked my ass off the eight years before you created your account, without ever expecting this would one day become a business. Today TeamLiquid.net has become a monster to manage that can't be ran based on anyone's passion alone. As a website offering so much to its users it is impossible to maintain without monetization. We have about 200 staff members the vast majority of whom are voluntary. However as with any organization we absolutely must have paid quality staff to lead and accommodate such a massive group of people, and to create revenue to pay for all the costs involved with running a website as large as this. In terms of monetization I believe we have always stuck close to the principles that drove me to do this for eight years as a hobby. We've never considered doing popups, we have never locked popular public content behind paywalls, and we have never put up donation buttons. I think that we do a decent job at creating revenue sources that do not create negatives for those who don't want to spend money. Think of the store, non-instrusive ads, pay-what-you-want models, and TL+, which takes no functionality away from anyone who isn't interested in buying it.
This is an argument i can accept even though im not rly sure what to think about it. Again i want to mention that in no way im trying to insult u or any other owner/staff member.
I know u started this website with the passion of ur heart and that´s the reason (at least i think so) why it got so big and why so many ppl LOVE this website. MB im too harsh and idealistic cause i love this site so much and spend so much time on it that my expectations get a little bit too high. I am just a student so i am in no position to judge the decisions a Owner of a (big) company like urs makes, neither can i fully understand them.
Still i dont like these +Models which show up on almost every website nowadays and i thought TL has something better to offer. But the fact that i dont have a better solution myself to solve the money problems mb shows that either i am too naive or i have to work harder to find the solution im satisfied with and offer it to people i appreciate so much (like u =).
And yes i never thought u betrayed ur principles in terms of monetization. which is, in my opinion shown, in the fact that +members get (so little) for their money and all the other things u mentioned in ur post. Still i dont get the logic behind the argument that if sth gets bigger ( which is normally seen a good thing) it gets also more expensive. Mb there is sth rly wrong with our current economic system and its interaction with the Internet and websites like TL.
Anyway, last but not least, i wanted to thank u for creating something this beautiful and i hope u dont take my critics personal. I wish that mb one day i have the balls, chance and inspiration to make sth out of nothing like u did it with TL.
Best of luck in ur future,
Nakama
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