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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Hier
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On June 22 2013 07:36 monk wrote: You should buy TL+ to get the All features so you can easily look up stuff like this. =D Do you get any commission for that sale? =P Now off to find the secret forum... | ||
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Seanza
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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Nakama
Germany584 Posts
On June 22 2013 06:47 Torenhire wrote: TL has full time paid employees. TL has to get the staff and coverage people to events, plus they have players to pay. I'm not going to speak on their behalf but I'm guessing that Ads and sponsors don't cover the costs. Can you imagine the costs of running a site of this size? That's not cheap either. It's not greed. You aren't being forced to do it. Adblocking because of TL+ just proves you're really cynical more than anything else. You lose absolutely nothing by not buying TL+. You get TL+ because you support TL. If they said "oh non TL+ members can only post 5 times per day then yes we could be upset and hate the site owners for the feature. There's a lot of people making a huge deal about something that doesn't effect anyone unless they are going to buy it. If you're really that upset about not getting access to the features then maybe you should shell out a whole 3 dollars to try it out for a month and see if you're really missing out as much as you think you are. this sadly doesnt answer my question at all. i know running a good website like this cost sth but u also get sth back 4 it or not?? it worked for a long time before didnt it ? and running a sc2 and dota 2 team is costly isnt it ? how could they even start to do sth like this if they didnt make profit out of the website ? so im still w8ing for an argument why this is needed other then greed =) and again no offense im still loving TL and i have a huge respect for its owners,casue they have made sth that big and still im heavily dissapointed by this move. I dotn care if +members get much for their money or not this is the wrong way in my opinion | ||
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Impervious
Canada4199 Posts
I had a very bad experience with Paypal in the recent past, and I really do not want to use their service to do this :/ Is there any other way? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34490 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:13 Nakama wrote: this sadly doesnt answer my question at all. i know running a good website like this cost sth but u also get sth back 4 it or not?? it worked for a long time before didnt it ? and running a sc2 and dota 2 team is costly isnt it ? how could they even start to do sth like this if they didnt make profit out of the website ? so im still w8ing for an argument why this is needed other then greed =) and again no offense im still loving TL and i have a huge respect for its owners,casue they have made sth that big and still im heavily dissapointed by this move. I dotn care if +members get much for their money or not this is the wrong way in my opinion While I don't know for certain, the injection they get from this will allow for future expansion. They might expand into LoL and acquire a team for them now with that money. Who knows? | ||
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GattAttack
Canada202 Posts
On June 22 2013 07:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I created TL in 2002 when thought we could fill a special spot in the BW scene. In the first eight years it was a completely voluntary job for me (first I was an SC progamer, then I supported myself through poker). I think you should know that I worked my ass off the eight years before you created your account, without ever expecting this would one day become a business. Today TeamLiquid.net has become a monster to manage that can't be ran based on anyone's passion alone. As a website offering so much to its users it is impossible to maintain without monetization. We have about 200 staff members the vast majority of whom are voluntary. However as with any organization we absolutely must have paid quality staff to lead and accommodate such a massive group of people, and to create revenue to pay for all the costs involved with running a website as large as this. In terms of monetization I believe we have always stuck close to the principles that drove me to do this for eight years as a hobby. We've never considered doing popups, we have never locked popular public content behind paywalls, and we have never put up donation buttons. I think that we do a decent job at creating revenue sources that do not create negatives for those who don't want to spend money. Think of the store, non-instrusive ads, pay-what-you-want models, and TL+, which takes no functionality away from anyone who isn't interested in buying it. I know this is off topic (btw <3 TL) but I always read progamer as 'programmer'. I was totally just like 'Nazgul worked on BW?' XD | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10340 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:08 Hier wrote: Are the months cumulative? If I buy X months, and then I buy more before expiry or someone gifts me months, will they just be added to my total? Yes, everything is cumulative. Whether you renew early or get a new gift, there's no way to lose time. | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10340 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:14 Impervious wrote: I'd like to purchase 12 months of this to support TL, but Paypal won't let me purchase it without making an account with them because I'm in Canada. I had a very bad experience with Paypal in the recent past, and I really do not want to use their service to do this :/ Is there any other way? Unfortunately we only take PayPal right now. I was half seriously thinking about adding bitcoin support though  . | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:11 a176 wrote: teamliquid just shot themselves in the foot How so? | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:11 a176 wrote: teamliquid just shot themselves in the foot Yea, screw those guys for trying to establish sustainability through a different source of revenue. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 22 2013 07:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I created TL in 2002 when thought we could fill a special spot in the BW scene. In the first eight years it was a completely voluntary job for me (first I was an SC progamer, then I supported myself through poker). I think you should know that I worked my ass off the eight years before you created your account, without ever expecting this would one day become a business. Today TeamLiquid.net has become a monster to manage that can't be ran based on anyone's passion alone. As a website offering so much to its users it is impossible to maintain without monetization. We have about 200 staff members the vast majority of whom are voluntary. However as with any organization we absolutely must have paid quality staff to lead and accommodate such a massive group of people, and to create revenue to pay for all the costs involved with running a website as large as this. In terms of monetization I believe we have always stuck close to the principles that drove me to do this for eight years as a hobby. We've never considered doing popups, we have never locked popular public content behind paywalls, and we have never put up donation buttons. I think that we do a decent job at creating revenue sources that do not create negatives for those who don't want to spend money. Think of the store, non-instrusive ads, pay-what-you-want models, and TL+, which takes no functionality away from anyone who isn't interested in buying it. no offense, but we heard the "well this site costs money, it's hard to just break even" argument quite a couple of times. It came up on various occasions, last time i recall was the opening of TL store. I don't buy it. Judging by TL's unique clicks per day and the estimated revenue of the shop and other cooperations, such as papa johns pizza deal and sponsored threads, i assume TL was making quite some (not naming any numbers) in profit before the introduction of TL+. And i did take into account that people get paid as well. If this is hilarious to you, open up your finances to the users. I would be more inclined to support TL by such a feature if i knew this site was having a hard time on breaking even. | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:11 a176 wrote: teamliquid just shot themselves in the foot What ? You can use TL as usual, nothing changed, just that you can support them even more now and get some specials now... Don't really get your point | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:13 Nakama wrote: this sadly doesnt answer my question at all. i know running a good website like this cost sth but u also get sth back 4 it or not?? it worked for a long time before didnt it ? and running a sc2 and dota 2 team is costly isnt it ? how could they even start to do sth like this if they didnt make profit out of the website ? so im still w8ing for an argument why this is needed other then greed =) and again no offense im still loving TL and i have a huge respect for its owners,casue they have made sth that big and still im heavily dissapointed by this move. I dotn care if +members get much for their money or not this is the wrong way in my opinion your use of the word greed is incredibly obnoxious. i wish tl.net had done this years ago so that i could support them without having to view ads, or buying clothes i didnt really want. | ||
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oneill12
Romania1222 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
I'm curious what the high secret exclusive forums are exclusive forums are like :p However I think I will keep support TL by simply keeping my adblock off and spend hours visiting TL everyday! | ||
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tritonice
United States119 Posts
 Oh well, if you want it: http://inception.davepedu.com/ | ||
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Jevity
United States67 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:21 NexCa wrote: What ? You can use TL as usual, nothing changed, just that you can support them even more now and get some specials now... Don't really get your point Exactly, it's a great way for people to support TeamLiquid. I wonder what % of users on TL have adblock, but would now support TL by purchasing this. | ||
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