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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 29 2012 03:45 GMT
#461
anyone knows if de-caffeined tea tastes any different? I've always had the impressions of it being bad just like how diet coke is terrible
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 03:55:17
December 29 2012 03:53 GMT
#462
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Tastes SOOO good. Great smell. No caffeine. When a round of antibiotics didn't cure my bronchitis (which I don't usually do- but I had an interview)... I started this tea about a week ago. World of difference. I literally think it saved my life. Echinacea and Astragalus together are the best immune-system herbs out there. Fantastic.

Especially this time of year, this stuff is fantastic. Don't do more than 2 weeks on any Echinacea regimen though- it can cause nose bleeds and other various nastyness.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 29 2012 03:57 GMT
#463
I really love Oolong tea, matcha green tea, and gunpowder green tea.

Currently loving Kusmi Gunpowder Green Tea ^_^
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
December 29 2012 04:03 GMT
#464
So I just tried this rosebud tea, and man is it good. Very subtle, so subtle that we actually had to prepare it stronger than what the instructions called for, but it's a smooth, almost sweet taste, and very calming. And when I inhale through my nose after drinking I detect the faintest scent of roses... Really a nice experience.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 04:07:22
December 29 2012 04:04 GMT
#465
On December 26 2012 13:04 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 12:05 drew-chan wrote:
Tie guan yin has to be the best tea for everyday drinking IMHO. The iron goddess of mercy. Affordable, easy to brew, and hard to make a mistake with (even questionable tea leafs produce a decent drink. Has a nice iron-ish metallic flavor to it which tastes great when hot.


Most affordable O_O;

How much are you buying this for/where?

I saw it at my tea shop, and I don't remember the exact price, but it was out of my budget.


In China the prices of any famous tea (tieguanyin, maojian, longjing, etc) range over multiple orders of magnitude. I saw some for around 80 yuan/half kilo and up to upwards of 800 yuan/half kilo.. and I was at a random supermarket, not even a tea shop.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 00:05:49
December 29 2012 23:59 GMT
#466
On December 29 2012 12:53 CursOr wrote:
[image loading]

Tastes SOOO good. Great smell. No caffeine. When a round of antibiotics didn't cure my bronchitis (which I don't usually do- but I had an interview)... I started this tea about a week ago. World of difference. I literally think it saved my life. Echinacea and Astragalus together are the best immune-system herbs out there. Fantastic.

Especially this time of year, this stuff is fantastic. Don't do more than 2 weeks on any Echinacea regimen though- it can cause nose bleeds and other various nastyness.

Wow hadn't seen this tea before. Good to hear that you have so much benefits from this one.

Luckily I haven't seen many nosebleeds after I was a kid, do you know what actually causes it that's in the tea?

On December 29 2012 13:03 RuiBarbO wrote:
So I just tried this rosebud tea, and man is it good. Very subtle, so subtle that we actually had to prepare it stronger than what the instructions called for, but it's a smooth, almost sweet taste, and very calming. And when I inhale through my nose after drinking I detect the faintest scent of roses... Really a nice experience.


Lol, whenever my friend talks about rosebud tea (china rose), he talks about how it makes him feel 'high' almost. Haven't tried it myself, but he's not one to complain quickly or afraid to try new 'substances'.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
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Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
December 30 2012 00:06 GMT
#467
On December 29 2012 13:04 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 13:04 tili wrote:
On December 26 2012 12:05 drew-chan wrote:
Tie guan yin has to be the best tea for everyday drinking IMHO. The iron goddess of mercy. Affordable, easy to brew, and hard to make a mistake with (even questionable tea leafs produce a decent drink. Has a nice iron-ish metallic flavor to it which tastes great when hot.


Most affordable O_O;

How much are you buying this for/where?

I saw it at my tea shop, and I don't remember the exact price, but it was out of my budget.


In China the prices of any famous tea (tieguanyin, maojian, longjing, etc) range over multiple orders of magnitude. I saw some for around 80 yuan/half kilo and up to upwards of 800 yuan/half kilo.. and I was at a random supermarket, not even a tea shop.


When i lived in china I was dismayed on how much the highest quality green/white teas cost. Some of the better white teas were over 100$/lb, it was on par with the highest prices in specialized tea shops in NY like (my favorite) McNultys.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
December 30 2012 00:33 GMT
#468
On December 29 2012 12:45 Arceus wrote:
anyone knows if de-caffeined tea tastes any different? I've always had the impressions of it being bad just like how diet coke is terrible


Depends, it's difficult to say based on the quality of the tea you buy. Nothing wrong with buying Lipton's green tea, but it is rather cheap and a decaf version will taste different but not worse. If you usually enjoy loose leaf tea, well I doubt you will enjoy a decaf version as much. I can't say I drink a lot of decaf tea however, mainly because the times I did try it I was rather disappointed. The decaffeination process will affect the taste (more of less again depending on the base quality and the delicacy of the process), and different doesn't mean bad. Some teas I enjoy much better cooked than not, so I'm sure that if you look enough you'll find something that works for you.

That being said, I'm curious on the nature of your question. The quantity of caffeine in tea differs heavily from the type, but it will always be much less than coffee. The rule of thumb is that a cup of black & red tea have the highest quantity of caffeine; about half the coffee cup. This is a bad rule of thumb, and don't even try to classify caffeine content based on type.

In front of me I have a list of teas that have been tested. In the top 10 we have a matcha, then a Darjeeling Black tea, 2 chinese greens, a taiwan oolong, two greens, a white, and finally two Pu-erh. The bottom 10 is made up of whites, greens, aged oolongs, darjeeling black teas...

The point is that if you want to avoid caffeine as much as possible for whatever reason, but want to enjoy a cup of tea nonetheless, pick your teas cafefully. Caffeine content is already rather low in tea and you'll develop tolerence really fast. You can also do a very quick (30s-50s) first steep and discard it. Second steep will have reduced tea content, I hear 20%-50% the first steep amount.

Hope that helps.
Try another route paperboy.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 00:42:08
December 30 2012 00:40 GMT
#469
On December 30 2012 09:06 Roman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 13:04 FragKrag wrote:
On December 26 2012 13:04 tili wrote:
On December 26 2012 12:05 drew-chan wrote:
Tie guan yin has to be the best tea for everyday drinking IMHO. The iron goddess of mercy. Affordable, easy to brew, and hard to make a mistake with (even questionable tea leafs produce a decent drink. Has a nice iron-ish metallic flavor to it which tastes great when hot.


Most affordable O_O;

How much are you buying this for/where?

I saw it at my tea shop, and I don't remember the exact price, but it was out of my budget.


In China the prices of any famous tea (tieguanyin, maojian, longjing, etc) range over multiple orders of magnitude. I saw some for around 80 yuan/half kilo and up to upwards of 800 yuan/half kilo.. and I was at a random supermarket, not even a tea shop.


When i lived in china I was dismayed on how much the highest quality green/white teas cost. Some of the better white teas were over 100$/lb, it was on par with the highest prices in specialized tea shops in NY like (my favorite) McNultys.


Tea is huge in China obviously! There are towns in the south who have become ridiculously rich just from selling high quality teas. When you're looking at the high quality teas, you're paying for the human labor and also the tea itself. High quality green/white teas only use the youngest buds on the plant and everything is done by hand (drying, sifting, etc). Also, generally the tea you buy in a tea shop in China will be much better quality than what you can get in some tea shop in the US (especially with green tea)

That said, some teas are ridiculously expensive
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 00:46:56
December 30 2012 00:43 GMT
#470
On December 30 2012 09:33 Steel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 12:45 Arceus wrote:
anyone knows if de-caffeined tea tastes any different? I've always had the impressions of it being bad just like how diet coke is terrible


Depends, it's difficult to say based on the quality of the tea you buy. Nothing wrong with buying Lipton's green tea, but it is rather cheap and a decaf version will taste different but not worse. If you usually enjoy loose leaf tea, well I doubt you will enjoy a decaf version as much. I can't say I drink a lot of decaf tea however, mainly because the times I did try it I was rather disappointed. The decaffeination process will affect the taste (more of less again depending on the base quality and the delicacy of the process), and different doesn't mean bad. Some teas I enjoy much better cooked than not, so I'm sure that if you look enough you'll find something that works for you.

That being said, I'm curious on the nature of your question. The quantity of caffeine in tea differs heavily from the type, but it will always be much less than coffee. The rule of thumb is that a cup of black & red tea have the highest quantity of caffeine; about half the coffee cup. This is a bad rule of thumb, and don't even try to classify caffeine content based on type.

In front of me I have a list of teas that have been tested. In the top 10 we have a matcha, then a Darjeeling Black tea, 2 chinese greens, a taiwan oolong, two greens, a white, and finally two Pu-erh. The bottom 10 is made up of whites, greens, aged oolongs, darjeeling black teas...

The point is that if you want to avoid caffeine as much as possible for whatever reason, but want to enjoy a cup of tea nonetheless, pick your teas cafefully. Caffeine content is already rather low in tea and you'll develop tolerence really fast. You can also do a very quick (30s-50s) first steep and discard it. Second steep will have reduced tea content, I hear 20%-50% the first steep amount.

Hope that helps.

Hopefully you guys have a better experience with caffeine tolerance. Drinking 6 greens a day is definitely something I feel, it's not bad but a little unnerving to feel the caffeine effects for a few hours. Drinking 4 matcha a day is no problem though, don't feel anything in my stomach, just a very relaxed mental state (basically the opposite). However, a while ago when I had one simple English blend tea during a family visit I got 2 hours of a slight stomach ache. I honestly can not phantom how and why some tea's work like they do. Nowadays, I almost exclusively resort to drinking matcha, it's just one I'm most comfortable with drinking one after another, while with Chinese and Japanese greens (besides matcha) I had the tendency to mix in a few caffeine free teas such as rooibos to stay comfortable.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
- Failure doesn't mean you are a failure it just means you haven't succeeded yet.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
December 30 2012 07:03 GMT
#471
On December 30 2012 09:43 peacenl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 09:33 Steel wrote:
On December 29 2012 12:45 Arceus wrote:
anyone knows if de-caffeined tea tastes any different? I've always had the impressions of it being bad just like how diet coke is terrible


Depends, it's difficult to say based on the quality of the tea you buy. Nothing wrong with buying Lipton's green tea, but it is rather cheap and a decaf version will taste different but not worse. If you usually enjoy loose leaf tea, well I doubt you will enjoy a decaf version as much. I can't say I drink a lot of decaf tea however, mainly because the times I did try it I was rather disappointed. The decaffeination process will affect the taste (more of less again depending on the base quality and the delicacy of the process), and different doesn't mean bad. Some teas I enjoy much better cooked than not, so I'm sure that if you look enough you'll find something that works for you.

That being said, I'm curious on the nature of your question. The quantity of caffeine in tea differs heavily from the type, but it will always be much less than coffee. The rule of thumb is that a cup of black & red tea have the highest quantity of caffeine; about half the coffee cup. This is a bad rule of thumb, and don't even try to classify caffeine content based on type.

In front of me I have a list of teas that have been tested. In the top 10 we have a matcha, then a Darjeeling Black tea, 2 chinese greens, a taiwan oolong, two greens, a white, and finally two Pu-erh. The bottom 10 is made up of whites, greens, aged oolongs, darjeeling black teas...

The point is that if you want to avoid caffeine as much as possible for whatever reason, but want to enjoy a cup of tea nonetheless, pick your teas cafefully. Caffeine content is already rather low in tea and you'll develop tolerence really fast. You can also do a very quick (30s-50s) first steep and discard it. Second steep will have reduced tea content, I hear 20%-50% the first steep amount.

Hope that helps.

Hopefully you guys have a better experience with caffeine tolerance. Drinking 6 greens a day is definitely something I feel, it's not bad but a little unnerving to feel the caffeine effects for a few hours. Drinking 4 matcha a day is no problem though, don't feel anything in my stomach, just a very relaxed mental state (basically the opposite). However, a while ago when I had one simple English blend tea during a family visit I got 2 hours of a slight stomach ache. I honestly can not phantom how and why some tea's work like they do. Nowadays, I almost exclusively resort to drinking matcha, it's just one I'm most comfortable with drinking one after another, while with Chinese and Japanese greens (besides matcha) I had the tendency to mix in a few caffeine free teas such as rooibos to stay comfortable.


Crazy. I used to drink a lot of coffee and enjoy the side effects of caffeine from the jittery/hyper state to the rumblings of an empty stomach. Now I rarely drink coffee and my tolerance has certainly gone down, and I am also able to feel which tea's have more caffeine sometimes, but I'm always relaxed, calm and alert, rather than hyper. Some days I drink a ridiculous amount of tea too. It saddens me to hear about your troubles digesting caffeine

You mentioned how you mix with rooibos to lower the caffeine content. I think that's great, and though teas are great alone, it's also very fun to play around with combination. Some teas (or rooibos or just spices really) are known to have little to no caffeine, like some whites and some jasmines. I like mixing with those two because they have a nice aroma and taste that you will experience if you mix them, but they won't overpower the taste of the other tea.
Try another route paperboy.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 00:34:16
January 01 2013 00:32 GMT
#472
On December 30 2012 09:40 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 09:06 Roman wrote:
On December 29 2012 13:04 FragKrag wrote:
On December 26 2012 13:04 tili wrote:
On December 26 2012 12:05 drew-chan wrote:
Tie guan yin has to be the best tea for everyday drinking IMHO. The iron goddess of mercy. Affordable, easy to brew, and hard to make a mistake with (even questionable tea leafs produce a decent drink. Has a nice iron-ish metallic flavor to it which tastes great when hot.


Most affordable O_O;

How much are you buying this for/where?

I saw it at my tea shop, and I don't remember the exact price, but it was out of my budget.


In China the prices of any famous tea (tieguanyin, maojian, longjing, etc) range over multiple orders of magnitude. I saw some for around 80 yuan/half kilo and up to upwards of 800 yuan/half kilo.. and I was at a random supermarket, not even a tea shop.


When i lived in china I was dismayed on how much the highest quality green/white teas cost. Some of the better white teas were over 100$/lb, it was on par with the highest prices in specialized tea shops in NY like (my favorite) McNultys.


Tea is huge in China obviously! There are towns in the south who have become ridiculously rich just from selling high quality teas. When you're looking at the high quality teas, you're paying for the human labor and also the tea itself. High quality green/white teas only use the youngest buds on the plant and everything is done by hand (drying, sifting, etc). Also, generally the tea you buy in a tea shop in China will be much better quality than what you can get in some tea shop in the US (especially with green tea)

That said, some teas are ridiculously expensive


The best teas also tend to not make it outside the country for the most part.

Tea shops in the states for the most part have a markup of at least 3x, probably even more for any place that tries to market or mass produce cause it's really hard to get that much that high grade tea. It's kind of the price you pay though, esp if you're not going to China to pick out teas yourself like a lot of some of the people do. If it's good tea, 100 dollars for a pound can be actually extremely cheap (for example a decent grade 2005 puerh from yiwu is like 150 dollars for a cake of ~350g and that's standard and prices only go up from there).
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
January 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#473
yeah generally the best green teas will never make it out of China because the market in China is so huge there is no need to export. Puerh is different though since it's basically artificially inflated
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
January 01 2013 05:41 GMT
#474
I bought some of that Chinese white tea stuff for 30.00 dollars for a few ounces. It tasted like soapy dish water to me. Sticking to my earl grey with milk and sugar from now on.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 00:51:16
January 04 2013 00:50 GMT
#475
On January 01 2013 14:41 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
I bought some of that Chinese white tea stuff for 30.00 dollars for a few ounces. It tasted like soapy dish water to me. Sticking to my earl grey with milk and sugar from now on.


Sorry to hear that. Though there lacks the variety of other tea types, white tea is subtle and delicious, probably my favorite. Try steeping in colder water (~ 75C / 170 F) for 5-7 mins and a lot of tea (2 teaspoon per 250ml) and see what that does for you. Also rinse your tea pot really well with hot water before and NEVER USE SOAP to clean a teapot. Use a soft sponge or hand towel in hot water to clear the stains, though you don't really need to. For the price you paid, you should get something nice!
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masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
January 07 2013 11:41 GMT
#476
I know this is a likely longshot, but would anyone know a nice Tea shop in Seoul area. I have not had tea since I came to Korea and since I am going back soon I would like to take some Tea with me. Bear in mind I was only a tea bagger back then, but after reading this thread I really want to get into some quality Tea.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
January 07 2013 14:04 GMT
#477
Tea varies and things are different , like today I went and picked up a kilo of a decent green and another of a good oolong for a very cheap price at a food fair in Shenzhen, something around half of what you'd pay at a store in a coastal city and infinitely cheaper than you'd be able to get in the us

My personal favorite is pretty cheap tho, but I can only ever get it when I go to chengdu and go to the actual field for a certain kind of green
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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
January 11 2013 19:30 GMT
#478
I thought people should see some studies on tea's effect on the brain.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/dietary-brain-wave-alteration/
"A neurological basis for humanity’s love affair with Camellia sinensis?"

Actual studies are cited, this isn't a random kook
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
January 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#479
On January 12 2013 04:30 tili wrote:
I thought people should see some studies on tea's effect on the brain.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/dietary-brain-wave-alteration/
"A neurological basis for humanity’s love affair with Camellia sinensis?"

Actual studies are cited, this isn't a random kook

Somewhat funny that this was only recently found by scientific study, while Japanese Zen monks already started meditating on Matcha about 9 centuries ago

It's good that it's confirmed by scientific data now, but I feel sometimes that too much deep understanding is 'forgotten' throughout the ages.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
- Failure doesn't mean you are a failure it just means you haven't succeeded yet.
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
January 11 2013 20:38 GMT
#480
On January 12 2013 05:17 peacenl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 04:30 tili wrote:
I thought people should see some studies on tea's effect on the brain.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/dietary-brain-wave-alteration/
"A neurological basis for humanity’s love affair with Camellia sinensis?"

Actual studies are cited, this isn't a random kook

Somewhat funny that this was only recently found by scientific study, while Japanese Zen monks already started meditating on Matcha about 9 centuries ago

It's good that it's confirmed by scientific data now, but I feel sometimes that too much deep understanding is 'forgotten' throughout the ages.



Haha, really? Monks drink matcha?

Yea, the brain imaging blew me away.
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