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On January 09 2005 10:45 ejai63 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2005 10:20 pooper-scooper wrote:
great article Rek... very thoughtful. Do you think as a tall white man, I could get a job in Korea in two years? I've got a balchelors in Physics, and can speak english. I could spend some time learning Korean.
I also am certified to teach physics and Math.
I would love to leave the country in a couple of years, and do just SOMETHING in Korea, would be great. Yes you could, but it would probably be very shitty. There are tons of foreigners in Korea who teach English, and most don't make a lot of money. If you have connections or very good business skills, then you can build up your clientele and really rake in some good cash, but doing this is very difficult.
Welll thats kinda a bummer huh? Well... i guess I could try to get some marketable skill, and THEN go to Korea, what do you think would be a good one?
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Osaka27175 Posts
Don't listen to him, he is wrong.
If you have a BA in anything, you can teach in Korea and make decent money. The amount of money you want to make depends on where you want to live. You can be in the middle of seoul and enjoy the big city, but it is horribly expensive to live in. If you choose a smaller city or the country-side, than you will be able to save more money as it is cheaper to live in.
Yes there are many foreigners in Korea teaching english, and there are also many jobs. My best friend has just gone back for his third contract there, and if you are seriously interested I could put you in contact with him for some REAL perspective on how things work.
Also realize that your ability to speak english allows you to teach ANYWHERE. Korea is one of many many coutries you would be able to travel to and work simply based on that ability to speak. It really is your most marketable international skill.
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Very good read. Good luck, Rekrul!
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Goodluck Rekrul but I must warn you of another thing. Poker is just like SC, only pros can make a true living off it. I'm sure it's appealing because anybody can win thousands, but sooner or later it catches up to you and you realize it's just a game as well. Anyways, don't get wrapped up too much in gaining cash this way. Goodluck, I'm sure you'll figure everything out. Have some fun too. 
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Wow. Nice to hear someone's life experience. But when it all comes down to it Rekrul, it's best to do what you feel comfortable with. Not what other's feel comfortable with. I hope things work out for you wherever you go and whatever you do.
From a fellow Hangul learner ^^
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On January 09 2005 02:36 Izenra wrote:Wow nice post I think it's the best post of the year !
psh, mensrea is better... And rekrul u dont love sc as much as them  That's ok, man u did your best. GL to you in korea! i hope u like it.
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On January 09 2005 12:29 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:Goodluck Rekrul but I must warn you of another thing. Poker is just like SC, only pros can make a true living off it. I'm sure it's appealing because anybody can win thousands, but sooner or later it catches up to you and you realize it's just a game as well. Anyways, don't get wrapped up too much in gaining cash this way. Goodluck, I'm sure you'll figure everything out. Have some fun too.
Poker is not like SC, well in some way it is the same  . I'll use some SC comparaison
-In SC, you can play both newb and expert.
-If you play expert, you might win something in the end, but this only apply to .1% of the gamers
-In SC, playing newb allow you to have a nice rec. (/stats)
-In poker, if you have a nice rec, you win money
In conclusion, you can win money by playing newby, on the contrary of SC
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On January 09 2005 12:46 ScoliosiS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2005 02:36 Izenra wrote:Wow nice post I think it's the best post of the year ! psh, mensrea is better... And rekrul u dont love sc as much as them That's ok, man u did your best. GL to you in korea! i hope u like it.
Best post in my opinion to this date : From 1st January 2005 to now !
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interesting post, im gonna kinda agree with surg in the fact that common sense already lead me to this realization years ago concerning the difficulty of progaming, but like someone else said on here(forgot thier name)its a korean community and foriegners just cant hold up.
As for haters sayin how its a waste of time, how retarded is that, seriously he's 19 thats nothing, and travelling, meeting new people, enjoying life as he put it, is what i personally believe we should all be trying to attain, not simply a big house and a nice car, obviously you need something to fall back on, food drink and shelter dont come cheap, but you can easily sustain yourself on poker winnings if you play it right.
I laughed my ass off so hard when i read about that retard saying you should be a laywer at 19,
i've had some problems in my life and i've dealt with alot of lawyers, i've never in my entire life ever met or dealt with a successful 19 yr old lawyer..
Definatly felt like i connected more with you after this post rek becuase you sounded more grounded, like a real person living a real life, instead of some full of shit loser like 90% of the people i read, listen to on the internet from time to time.
BW is fun but takes way too much time, it's so crazy how demanding that game is too play, i devoted so much of my time to it that it honestly makes me sick, im not hatin tho, do whatever you have fun doing, just realized its not for me either awhile ago.
Best of luck man i'm headin out to korea in april to blow off some steam and take in the atmosphere, so never know, maybe i'll see you in the club scene.
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in my opinion, a huge reason rekrul failed is that he approaches starcraft with the mindset of much of the western world, that making your living off a game is ridiculous and not respectable. so what if you don't make that much money and it requires massive amounts of dedication? that is true with any job with high demand/competetition. poker too is a game but its one that has found acceptance all across the u.s. we see poker matches on espn and i think rekrul isn't oblivious to this. they're both games, but he finds one more acceptable to make a living off of because of its "respectability."
my belief tho, is that if he had worked hard enough at it, he'd see results. i commend assem and leg for sticking through it.
when i heard rekruls age, 19, i thought wtf is this guy talking about not wasting your time in sc? if he has time to go to clubs and dote on a gf and go to korean language school, he surely has time to "waste" on starcraft. it's not like he's 23 and running out of time. this shows to me that he lacks the motivation to succeed at even the amateur level, that he is lazy.
he talked about how his team is lazy, not dedicated. well that shows in the results. they've had dismal results. and you take a look at ktf, compare their practice hrs and you can see a big reason why.
i'm all for the living your life(excuse), that is important. i wouldnt b hard on rekrul if he hadnt stated it was his DREAM to become a sc progamer. and in part i recognize what a precious position he was in to fulfill that dream. but im severely disappointed that he perhaps never had the will, attitude, dedication, to see that dream through. the only excuse you have to fail is yourself. doesn't matter how your team doesn't practice, what girl gets in your way, how many times you fail. what mattered was how many times you got up, and after only 1 year of trying it wasn't enough.
i truly hope you enjoy and succeed in your life.
-shiz
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On January 09 2005 09:06 Hautamaki wrote:
Wow Tress, clearly you have shown us all that you are indeed the superiour human being with that awesome, insightful, and well thought out post. I know a lot of lawyers btw. One of them is a wife beater whose wife and children left him. He sure has a nice big white house though!
Let me tell you something. When you are old, and have money, you will realise that you would trade it all back in in a second to go back and relive your youth. The memories that Rekrul will have will be worth more than all of your money. The experiences that he's lived, in favour of rushing off to school, are priceless. And, he's 19 years old. He will probably go back to America with a fair amount of money, go to some school and get some good job, and when he's 50 and you're whatever, what will the difference be? Maybe your house will have 2 or 3 more rooms. Maybe your car will be worth $20,000 more. And you will look back on your boring ass life and only be able to wish that you had lived when you were young.
Furthermore, I also know some pro-poker players. And I'd be willing to bet their incomes are comparable to yours. And I'd be willing to bet that you'd give lawyering up in a second if you realised that these guys work maybe 4 or 5 hours in a given day doing something they love, while any lawyer I know puts in at least 9 hours a day, mostly researching case files, legal history, and precedents, which has got to be one of the most boring and dry ass things a person can do. If any pro poker player I know put in that kind of time, they'd be gajillionaires. And they didn't have to blow 7 years and 150 grand at school to do it.
The fact is that you either are, or should be, jealous of Rekrul. So why isn't everyone a pro poker player or progamer? Because it takes natural inborn talent. Some people have that opporunity and most don't. But those that do should jump at their opportunity and never look back.
I agree partly with Tress, but mostly disagree with you Haut..
If you go to law school, and it's what you planned to do, and you weren't forced into it, I say that's an experience that's worth something. You worked hard. You studied. You graduated. School is an experience people want, and one that is almost always the fondest memory of an old man or woman. Lawyers don't live "boring-ass" lives compared to most jobs. And being a lawyer gives you the freedom to do things with the rest of your time you couldn't otherwise.
Plus, Tress was referring to Rekrul, and it sounds like overall, once "the shit hit the fan," this wasn't a memory he'll treasure like a first born son.
And guess what, I'm not jealous of Rekrul. Being good at computer games and poker is something I respect, but he's not better than me. I'm not jealous of him, and nobody but an aspiring SC gamer hoping to go to korea, or play the best people, or own up their friends, should be. Part of me does wish I could be that good, but another part says life is more than games (and I play plenty of 'em).
Edit: Oh yeah, I know progamers. In fact I know every one to ever live. And actually they are ALL awful communist Catholic priests who molest children. Their interests are slaughtering Jews, and they have declared a jihad on all religion and religious people. For that matter, they are Capitalists who both actively oppress and totally neglect the poor.
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Imo you've gotta be alot younger to manage this, if you go to korea when you're 19-22 its kinda Game over already.
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it was already said 100 times
but I also want to say it :
extremely interesting article, really
it washes away my former opinion about you I got from several interviews @_@
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this is really cool article. tons of ture onest info many thx for that
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rek, if you could do it all over again the same way with the failed progaming and everything just to know, would you?
-glad to hear it all turned out well
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On January 09 2005 13:42 PROMETHEUS wrote:
it was already said 100 times
but I also want to say it :
extremely interesting article, really
it washes away my former opinion about you I got from several interviews @_@
Lol I think you take those interview a little too much seriously. It is clear that he was joking around and not thinking everything he was sayin ( i hope ) like the rekrul-logic hahah.
Best quote from him (something like that): "Veg, ill tell you my true feeling about you `: You suck"
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really great article rekrul Gl Hf in the future
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omg just read Tress' post
wow, one thing is sure is that you do GREAT as an idiot Tress
your post sucks so f~~~~~g much
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hey rek here is a simple question can you earn more than Oov hisself if you play poker as much as he plays starcraft per day.
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rekrul, your story made me sad ^^;;
but i guess it's nice that you have advanced in life even if pro gaming career has ended. Like when i went to korea, i thought i would just be going to watch starcraft games and waste my time, but instead i did a lot more, had a lot of fun, and learned a lot too..so i understand your situation.
it was also nice seeing you and brian at COEX exhibition ^^
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