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Artifice
Profile Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
January 20 2012 21:48 GMT
#381
On January 19 2012 20:40 29 fps wrote:
i read it again but im not sure what was edited, even though it said it's been edited recently.


I ran it through a text file comparison thing with http://web.archive.org/web/20090106054119/http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=22425 and it found no differences.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
January 23 2012 13:56 GMT
#382
On January 21 2012 05:18 rafaliusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 04:34 MattBarry wrote:
Brood war is not the most complicated strategy game ever. Good article though

you're not educated enough to make such a call. Good post though.

Not that complexity can be measured very accurately, but an rts will never be be most complicated strategically. I'm not saying bw isn't the best. I'm not saying sc2 is more complex.
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quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 14:34:13
January 23 2012 14:33 GMT
#383
On January 23 2012 22:56 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:18 rafaliusz wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:34 MattBarry wrote:
Brood war is not the most complicated strategy game ever. Good article though

you're not educated enough to make such a call. Good post though.

Not that complexity can be measured very accurately, but an rts will never be be most complicated strategically. I'm not saying bw isn't the best. I'm not saying sc2 is more complex.


Why not? Are we talking about strategies or real time strategies. Because BW is the best real time strategy.

I would also argue it's probably the best strategy too. If you compare it to chess and go, BW has 2d freedom and more variables than chess and go, while the moves for chess and go are discrete so you can more or less figure out good moves for them.

With BW micro macro positioning etc. it's kinda hard to see what's the best move... also, consider that you don't have all the information on the situation on the map, so it's a game of incomplete information, whereas chess and go aren't. Plus, it's real time. I guess you could compare speed chess to it, but it's not the same, in BW you are tackling a way more vast field of information.

EDIT: sorry for the off-post, I really enjoyed reading this the first time and a few times after it. I might have even already commented, dunno. Thank you for the story Lurker.
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 15:05:23
January 23 2012 15:03 GMT
#384
On January 23 2012 22:56 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:18 rafaliusz wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:34 MattBarry wrote:
Brood war is not the most complicated strategy game ever. Good article though

you're not educated enough to make such a call. Good post though.

Not that complexity can be measured very accurately, but an rts will never be be most complicated strategically. I'm not saying bw isn't the best. I'm not saying sc2 is more complex.

RTS are way more complicated than any turn based game. That's why AI are awful whereas in primitive game like chess they can do well vs the best players.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
January 23 2012 15:54 GMT
#385
On January 23 2012 23:33 quirinus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 22:56 MattBarry wrote:
On January 21 2012 05:18 rafaliusz wrote:
On January 20 2012 04:34 MattBarry wrote:
Brood war is not the most complicated strategy game ever. Good article though

you're not educated enough to make such a call. Good post though.

Not that complexity can be measured very accurately, but an rts will never be be most complicated strategically. I'm not saying bw isn't the best. I'm not saying sc2 is more complex.


Why not? Are we talking about strategies or real time strategies. Because BW is the best real time strategy.

I would also argue it's probably the best strategy too. If you compare it to chess and go, BW has 2d freedom and more variables than chess and go, while the moves for chess and go are discrete so you can more or less figure out good moves for them.

With BW micro macro positioning etc. it's kinda hard to see what's the best move... also, consider that you don't have all the information on the situation on the map, so it's a game of incomplete information, whereas chess and go aren't. Plus, it's real time. I guess you could compare speed chess to it, but it's not the same, in BW you are tackling a way more vast field of information.

EDIT: sorry for the off-post, I really enjoyed reading this the first time and a few times after it. I might have even already commented, dunno. Thank you for the story Lurker.

I think the only absolute about BW you could say is that it is the most competitive rts ever.

I think most complex strategy ever is simply too bold of a claim. I haven't played every rts ever nor am I a professional rts veteran but it's more than likely some ridiculous niche indie game is miles ahead of bw in terms of strategic complexity.
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Fester
Profile Joined February 2003
Australia260 Posts
January 23 2012 16:03 GMT
#386
fuck niggers bumping old threads

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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 07 2014 18:05 GMT
#387
beautiful story. i'm glad i got to read it again. friendships are what are important in life <3
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 02:17:19
January 08 2014 02:16 GMT
#388
A nice read, well written. Even though this article is from 9 years back, the same still holds true now. There is nothing after progaming which is pretty sad but if you go into it knowing that fact, then I'm sure you will come out with no regrets It would be nice to have an update on how things have changed since then.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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