TL Hacker Database, Season 2! - Page 17

On June 26 2011 06:28 RedJustice wrote:



His APM actually drops to 0 at the time, but it is a little weird. Not sure it's really possible to tell if he's doing anything questionable with that. I think he could have looked you up on the loading screen, and then copy-pasted into chat. Even so, it doesn't affect the game itself at all.

Watched the whole thing from his POV, and can't see there was any suggestion whatsoever of maphacking. He never looked at you through FOW, and sent out overlords and a drone scout. He scouted you right after his lings popped and was able to send them to your base. As for the 10 pool, people do builds like that on the map, simply because it's so large, it allows you to put on some early pressure hopefully without taking horrible damage if it doesn't go well. Certainly not a reason to think someone is hacking.

I would say definitely no proof.

On June 26 2011 06:06 imareaver3 wrote:
Server: NA
Your Name: Retep
Hacker Name: Apples
Replay: http://drop.sc/16175
Description: This guy didn't look like he was hacking to win (Although he gets a really odd BO win; who 10-pools on TDA blindly?), but still--look at what he says a few seconds into the game. It's my sc2ranks profile--wins/losses, and points, accurate to when the game was played. He had APM while saying it; the message was somehow automatically generated. Weird.



SC2ranks:http://sc2ranks.com/us/463388/Retep

On June 26 2011 06:37 imareaver3 wrote:


That's why I said that I didn't think he was maphacking. I'm just interested in how he managed to pull my stats. He couldn't have just copy-pasted that info; it's not on sc2ranks word-for-word. He'd have to have compiled it in notepad, and there wasn't enough time. Unless I'm missing something, it looks like a third-party program. Probably not malicious, but still really odd.

On June 26 2011 23:53 DavasiaN wrote:
Server: North America
Your Name: vGdave
Hacker Name: RAWTALENt
Replay: http://replayfu.com/download/6G9fLt
Description: Reacting blindly and perfectly to my rush. Sends probe to cannon my natural blindly without vision or scouting of my base. Dodges my lings with probe around the map. Very obvious low skilled player with maphacks. I watched the replay twice, once from Everyone POV and once from his POV, very obvious.

On June 27 2011 07:40 ZAiNs wrote:
Server: Europe
Your Name: ZAiN
Hacker Name: KwiiMnChll
Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)ZAiN_vs_(P)KwiiMnChll_metalopolis_sc2rep_com_20110627/10400
Description: Proxy 2 Gate on Metalopolis close position without ever having any indication the base he is proxying is mine. I could have held but I was tired and played terrible T_T.

On June 27 2011 15:33 Carthac wrote:


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On June 20 2011 05:48 Probe1 wrote:



This isn't going be an easy one. I suspect he was locking his camera for replays. I need a lot of different reviews on this one. Write up coming soon.
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BtoYeuGbe never stares through the FOW suspiciously once during the game.
The game starts off normally. BtoYeuGbe drops a rush pool and is scouted, leading to a sealed wall from Protoss. He attempts to bane bust (with too few banelings to kill a pylon) and is denied. The suspicious activity starts here.

5:35 he attack moves the zerglings/baneling outside of Protosses main base twice, once close to a undiscovered proxy pylon and again directly above it. Not near or around. He attack moves directly above it. It's in Johns Common Knowledge hallway and any good player would scout there so this action alone isn't suspicious.

5:36 BtoYeuGbe attack moves a set of zerglings to a hidden probe at the 3oclock base. Again, he has incredibly good scouting intuition. I could be convinced that he saw a pylon in Johns hallway and figured the probe could still be around someplace nearby. Add to this the fact that he guessed right that the scouting probe didn't return to the main before the wall was built.

So far very good, master league scouting.

6:09 Protoss puts down a Dark Templar shrine.
BtoYeuGbe is looking at his main. . . .
6:20 a lair starts.

Pretty big coincidence. Possible though.

Then immediately upon lair completion he morphs in an overseer. For the rest of the game he only stays on hatchery army units. The sole purpose of making a lair at that timing was to get an overseer out. So, it is with little doubt that he suspected or he knew that DTs were coming. He could have suspected it, based on sheer intuition and gut alone. I say that because the only time the entire game he scouted the main was with his baneling bust. No drone scout, no overlord sac, not even a ling to poke up the wall. Whole game- only scouting done were attack move orders directly on top of hidden units.

In the 9th minute he does something nothing short of miraculous.
9:18 attack moves a baneling to the top of his ramp
9:20 the first shimmer of a DT within his vision
9:21 overseer detects
9:22 two DTs reach top of the ramp and the baneling explodes.

He moved a baneling to the top of his ramp, not altogether weird in and of itself. But he did it as soon as DTs entered his natural expansion (having no vision of his natural at the time, and still 0 confirmation that a dark shrine was made)

That's some pretty epic star sense.

DTs then kill his lings at the watch towers. He immediately moves out with an army+overseer to kill the DTs.

10:04 the DT moves away from the incoming overseer/army approaching the xel naga tower
10:07 the army veers away from the first tower and heads to the farther one to snipe the other DT.
Then around 10:30 the DTs, having survived and looped around the side of the map, all the while under FOW start heading directly toward BtoYeuGbe's main base. Upon their course becoming obvious (if you could see them) BtoYeuGbe makes a second overseer in his main and retreats his army. He thwarts the attack again.

Now I see things that make me very suspicious. I don't have times yet but this is what I see. BtoYeuGbe stares at his main hatchery. A lot. Way more than I do or any VOD or replay I've seen. Just sits there and watches his drones mine making a few more drones.

It leads me to believe that during those times and during the entire match he has been toggling a function on his map hack to lock the camera for the replay. During those seconds he doesn't appear to be doing anything he's actually scouting with his camera everything that's going on in the FOW.

I'll update this with the times he went idle but I must say, I'm convinced that there are suspicious circumstances related to his actions. I don't see how I can prove it but it's a little too perfect. Maybe his mechanical/strategic skill ARE far behind his brilliant intuition. Maybe he was just having an off day and played badly but still knew how to read a ZvP beautifully. But I don't think so. I think he was locking his camera and map hacking like all hell. The timings and actions are just too damn cute.
I can't prove any of this and I wouldn't be surprised if everyone else echoed that exact sentiment. But I won't say it's indeterminable.
Needs review

On June 28 2011 13:26 PowerDes wrote:

Posting for friend

Server: NA
Hacker Name: Theory
Replay:http://replayfu.com/r/chQsGj
Description: Look in the last 10 seconds of the replay, crashhacker. The replay lagged, then dropped the terran.

Obvious Obvious

On June 27 2011 14:09 RedJustice wrote:


Absolutely no evidence of hacking at all. Plenty of people open with a forge because they are turtley. The cannon in your natural was suspicious at best. He put down one, so if it turns out that was not your base, he has a proxy pylon with a cannon to protect it. Not really a wasted investment, and hardly grounds for a hacking accusation. He only puts down the second once he sees the hatch there, and then sends the probe to scout up top (possibly not sure if that is your third, or if perhaps you are taking the third since he has cannons there). There is never once any suspicious FOW activity. As for the nydus, your overlord is in his vision. He selects the stalker to go and attack it, and THEN sees the nydus and sends his probes and zealot. Don't know how you came to the conclusion it was 'very obvious'.

On June 28 2011 16:56 DavasiaN wrote:


I'm not trying to act or sound cocky, but this game was an "Even Match" at a high MMR. I play GM players and top 100 masters players on ladder almost exclusively. High level players do not build blind hidden pylons with a cannon to defend. In fact, high level players don't build blind cannons at the ramp to defend their base without having some kind of information. If you watch his POV, his control is extremely poor, his build orders are less than optimal at best, his timings are random, and his building placement makes no sense. And he somehow manages to be a top top Masters player? The chances of that are orders of magnitude less than the chance that he hacks. Lack of FOW movement does not vindicate anyone of hacks. As others have mentioned, there are hacks to conceal FOW movement in replays. I appreciate you taking the time to review the replays and to do your writeups, but your defense for this player is weak at best.

On June 28 2011 15:02 mkfuba07 wrote:


They might need your friend's BNet ID and character code to use his match history to find Theory's history.

I'm not an official member of their team here, but I think they're going to ask for that to verify.