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On August 29 2010 13:07 stylepoints wrote:
That's all the explanation I intended to give. I don't think it's healthy or good for society. There's generally nothing these people can do about it, it isn't like they say HEY I WANNA BE GAY LOL, so I don't really mind either way.
The reason people have an aversion to homosexuality is because it impedes our natural urge to reproduce. Ever since things have been written down, civilizations have preached about the danger of homosexuality. Obviously this means it's natural for human beings to exhibit this behavior. EDIT: At the same time, it's natural for heterosexuals to have an aversion to it.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. It's a natural phenomena occurring in humanity and always has, whether it's good or bad. And people not being comfortable with it is just as natural. And the other poster is correct, if my child WERE gay, I'd want him/her to be comfortable with it rather than miserable.
I just don't understand how it can possibly be bad for society. From a breeding standpoint, homosexuality is actually a good thing because the world is already overpopulated as it is. It's not like the human race is going to go extinct if gays don't breed...
And also, I don't think it's necessarily natural for heterosexuals to have an aversion to homosexuality. I mean, of course they don't want to engage in homosexual behavior, but it's not natural for heterosexuals to be against others being homosexual. That's learned behavior IMO.
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On August 29 2010 12:52 stylepoints wrote:
Do you not realize that the experience of having a dude suck you off when you were 11 may have had a profound (negative) effect on your life?
Almost anyone involved in any sort of sexual deviancy had some weird shit happen to them when they were young. I'd say having a kid suck you off when you were 11 would definitely count here.
No, I don't look down on you or think you are sub-human or any of that nonsense, but I do think homosexuality is not necessarily a good thing.
I think of it similarly to someone being retarded. Is he a bad person for being retarded? No. Is it his fault? Unless he jumped off his roof onto his head probably not. Do I want my kids growing up to be retarded or gay? No.
So you're saying that straights = normal, gays = deviant
Thanks for your insight, very cutting edge
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The reason people have an aversion to homosexuality is because it impedes our natural urge to reproduce. Ever since things have been written down, civilizations have preached about the danger of homosexuality. Obviously this means it's natural for human beings to exhibit this behavior. EDIT: At the same time, it's natural for heterosexuals to have an aversion to it.
These "civilizations", like your Judeo-Christian ones right? Let's ignore the countless societies throughout history where homosexuality was not seen as something that was "wrong" or "unnatural".
You're literally arguing that homophobia is "natural" to exhibit...
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On August 29 2010 12:19 dave333 wrote:
My friend recently texted me "So, apropos of nothing, I'm gay"
I wasn't really sure whether it was serious or not, so I fbook messaged him "dude i just got SC2" and he replied "i'm not sure you got my text", something like that. So I took that as serious.
I'm definitely his close friend, perhaps best friend and that is why he told me. On the other hand, I do tend to be a bit "metro" or whatever you want to call it; I'm into style/dressing well, I'm touchy feely, I enjoy stuff like froyo, I watch what I eat/how much most of the time, etc. But I'm most definitely straight. I would hope that is not why he told me he is gay.
I replied to him "well i mean, it's sorta like dumbledore being gay, doesn't change much between us" and he replied "yeah i suppose so" and it is sorta dropped, I never really bring it up or anything.
So it's sorta dropped, idk if I should leave it that way or bring it up in person.
I would try to bring it up again. If he's not out to anyone then he made a big step by revealing his sexuality to you. If you're his best friend then he was probably looking for some support and your response could be interpreted as "so what, why are you telling me".
Here's a guide I googled that has a few relevant bits and pieces:
http://www.hrc.org/documents/A_straight_Guide.pdf
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On August 29 2010 13:07 stylepoints wrote:
The reason people have an aversion to homosexuality is because it impedes our natural urge to reproduce. Ever since things have been written down, civilizations have preached about the danger of homosexuality. Obviously this means it's natural for human beings to exhibit this behavior. EDIT: At the same time, it's natural for heterosexuals to have an aversion to it.
No. People have an aversion to homosexuality because it's not "normal". Humans naturally avert "strange" things, that's how we survived.
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On August 29 2010 13:29 adrenaline.CA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 12:52 stylepoints wrote:
Do you not realize that the experience of having a dude suck you off when you were 11 may have had a profound (negative) effect on your life?
Almost anyone involved in any sort of sexual deviancy had some weird shit happen to them when they were young. I'd say having a kid suck you off when you were 11 would definitely count here.
No, I don't look down on you or think you are sub-human or any of that nonsense, but I do think homosexuality is not necessarily a good thing.
I think of it similarly to someone being retarded. Is he a bad person for being retarded? No. Is it his fault? Unless he jumped off his roof onto his head probably not. Do I want my kids growing up to be retarded or gay? No. So you're saying that straights = normal, gays = deviant Thanks for your insight, very cutting edge
Stylepoints has a point, and it's really stylish =D (pardon the pun)
Anyways according to my religion, homosexuality is a sin.
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On August 29 2010 13:32 TriniMasta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 13:29 adrenaline.CA wrote:On August 29 2010 12:52 stylepoints wrote:
Do you not realize that the experience of having a dude suck you off when you were 11 may have had a profound (negative) effect on your life?
Almost anyone involved in any sort of sexual deviancy had some weird shit happen to them when they were young. I'd say having a kid suck you off when you were 11 would definitely count here.
No, I don't look down on you or think you are sub-human or any of that nonsense, but I do think homosexuality is not necessarily a good thing.
I think of it similarly to someone being retarded. Is he a bad person for being retarded? No. Is it his fault? Unless he jumped off his roof onto his head probably not. Do I want my kids growing up to be retarded or gay? No. So you're saying that straights = normal, gays = deviant Thanks for your insight, very cutting edge Stylepoints has a point, and it's really stylish =D (pardon the pun) Anyways according to my religion, homosexuality is a sin.
I'm pretty sure that this topic wasn't intended to be a debate on whether homosexuality is acceptable or not. By bringing religion into it, you're definitely going in that direction.
Just saying...
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On August 29 2010 13:38 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 13:32 TriniMasta wrote:On August 29 2010 13:29 adrenaline.CA wrote:On August 29 2010 12:52 stylepoints wrote:
Do you not realize that the experience of having a dude suck you off when you were 11 may have had a profound (negative) effect on your life?
Almost anyone involved in any sort of sexual deviancy had some weird shit happen to them when they were young. I'd say having a kid suck you off when you were 11 would definitely count here.
No, I don't look down on you or think you are sub-human or any of that nonsense, but I do think homosexuality is not necessarily a good thing.
I think of it similarly to someone being retarded. Is he a bad person for being retarded? No. Is it his fault? Unless he jumped off his roof onto his head probably not. Do I want my kids growing up to be retarded or gay? No. So you're saying that straights = normal, gays = deviant Thanks for your insight, very cutting edge Stylepoints has a point, and it's really stylish =D (pardon the pun) Anyways according to my religion, homosexuality is a sin. I'm pretty sure that this topic wasn't intended to be a debate on whether homosexuality is acceptable or not. By bringing religion into it, you're definitely going in that direction. Just saying...
The fact that this is a "debate" to begin with only shows why we need threads like this 
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And yeah, to those people who are wondering why there is a gay thread, you've clearly never felt what it's like to be in the minority who don't fit in. For those people that are questioning, threads like these are very empowering. Don't be hating bros.
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I think it might be natural for some to have an aversion to homosexuality. It's hard to say, though, because you can't really interview someone that has had no influence from society. I say it's natural because many heterosexuals are worried that they'll have to deal with the emotions of attracting someone of the same sex. When I come out to people one on one and we talk about it, a common thing for them to say is "it doesn't change anything...as long as you don't start to like me." It wasn't until recently when I realized that I was guilty of that same aversion too, despite not being hetero: when a girl falls for me I cannot return their feelings, even if they are my friend. It's a complicated, uncomfortable situation and I can't blame anyone for being afraid of that happening to them. Just be aware that it's not limited to straight people, as we have to deal with it too.
@Vectraat
I also have little in common with people as such beyond the fact that we both like guys. Same here. I don't fall into many gay stereotypes so I don't associate with most gay culture. It's great that we can create threads like these, because it shows that there are other people with similar burdens as myself.
Several people have commented that "being gay isn't important, so why do you need a thread about it?" to which I reply: it's part of our identity and as a community, it's really great to be able to find people that share your traits. I don't see threads like this as much different than, say, a thread about people from a certain region or people who play a particular race.
@darkponcho
What is your opinion on the hordes of girls who want to make friends with gay guys simply because they're gay? This is kind of annoying actually. I've made friends with some girls only to discover that they expect I'm some fashion expert that loves shopping, makeup and Gossip Girl. These faghags stereotype us and I particularly don't like dealing with it because I'm nothing like that stereotype.
@dave333
But I'm most definitely straight. I would hope that is not why he told me he is gay. You're obviously important to him or he wouldn't have told you. There could be a few reasons for the disclosure:
1. He has feelings for you and by telling you he wants to act on those feelings and develop a relationship, or be told that you don't share the feelings. There's nothing wrong with the latter; he'll suffer the heartache but at least know to rid himself of the feelings for you.
2. He just wanted to tell you to avoid any surprises/awkwardness in the future.
3. He's having trouble dealing with it and could use someone to talk to.
You should probably find out which one it is. He's probably going to be vulnerable no matter what you say, so as long as you keep kind, don't worry about hurting him. Just don't lie.
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What page is IdrA's post on?
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On August 28 2010 19:23 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 03:50 caldo149 wrote:
note: not all gays are hypersexual. And the ones that aren't are usually pretty offended by those of us that are.
To be frank, they need to grow a set. Dude, I hope you're not serious. I had a gay friend in school who has actually quite unhappy that while there were a lot of heterosexual relationships that didn't center around sex, it was extremely difficult to find a homosexual who was interested in a long term-relationship rather than having it just be about sex. I thought it may have just the way things were at school, but you seem to suggest that in general to be gay also comes with being much more sexually active and polygamous. I hope for his sake that he can find someone who just wants a loving relationship that isn't just about sex.
Thats how the gay world is at least from my experience. And quite frankly it's the only reason I wish I wasn't gay. I can handle everything else, but when you can only get a few dates out of someone before they realize you won't put out, or you do put then they're gone. Not everyone is like that obviously but it sure does make it hard to find someone you click with AND wants something more.
I can probably go off on why it's offensive in so many ways but won't right now.
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On August 29 2010 13:32 TriniMasta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 13:29 adrenaline.CA wrote:On August 29 2010 12:52 stylepoints wrote:
Do you not realize that the experience of having a dude suck you off when you were 11 may have had a profound (negative) effect on your life?
Almost anyone involved in any sort of sexual deviancy had some weird shit happen to them when they were young. I'd say having a kid suck you off when you were 11 would definitely count here.
No, I don't look down on you or think you are sub-human or any of that nonsense, but I do think homosexuality is not necessarily a good thing.
I think of it similarly to someone being retarded. Is he a bad person for being retarded? No. Is it his fault? Unless he jumped off his roof onto his head probably not. Do I want my kids growing up to be retarded or gay? No. So you're saying that straights = normal, gays = deviant Thanks for your insight, very cutting edge Stylepoints has a point, and it's really stylish =D (pardon the pun) Anyways according to my religion, homosexuality is a sin.
LOL religion =_=
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I want to comment on the dating scenario, most of my RL friends are straight guys as i find i have a lot more in common with them, and i have NEVER met another gay gamer... I would KILL to have a BF who either gamed or was at least tolerant of my gaming. I assume it is the same with Straight guys, if you go on a date with a chick and start talking about starcraft, 9 times out of 10 it's like someone threw the emergency brake on. It's no different with gay guys, except since there are fewer gay guys than straight women in the world, simple math would determine that there have to be even fewer gay gamers than straight chick gamers... so unfair.
Also i think those of us who don't "sound gay" get in really awkward situations, i mean no one ever knows i am gay from my voice, so i make these "friends" who i play with repeatedly and as time goes by you start talking about shit outside the game and you either have to be all dodgy with what you say and how you phrase it, or you can just be honest and blunt. either way (in my experience) your online gamer "friends" totally ditch you. i was even kicked from a guild in Everquest cause SOMEHOW word got out. Bastards...
And the problem is i forget that being gay is an issue for some people all the time, until someone online starts saying gay this or fag that, and they don't realize i am a fag, so it puts me in that awkward situation where i am like, do i say something? or am i being overly sensitive?... i mean if i was black and someone online kept saying nigger it would be totally understandable for me to get pissed and put in my 2 cents, but with gay people it seems like we are supposed to just tolerate it because "everyone says it" or "we don't mean it like that". it's just so awkward and annoying.
But the worst part is feeling like you can't fit in no matter what you do, Especially when games and MMO's are your favorite thing to do in the world, i like them the same, if not more, than most of my straight buddies, but they are instantly embraced by the online gamming community simply because they are straight. I been gaming since the 80's non stop, but with online games it feels like high school mob mentality all over again. No one likes to feel repressed. So just treat us like anyone else and it will be all good, and unless a guy is hitting on you or something weird like that (which would even annoy me when i am trying to play), just remember we are all here for the same reason, to game it up! We should all be supportive of each other cause we are all gamer geeks at heart. Common bonds people.
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I couldn't care less if my kids grow up to be gay. As long as they are happy.
I shrug when i read such comments saying homosexuality is bad/sin, and they would hate to see THEIR kids grow up being that way.
If you truly think this, you really shouldn't be a parent. Your number one priority should be make your kids happy, and not think how your kids personalities might reflect back to you.
And for those who try and bring religion into it - why don't you start to not be selective-reading and remember such things as "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." - Matthew (the bible guy)? Gays don't hurt me, or try to make me gay - so why would It really affect me? Be as gay as you want, and be god damn proud of yourself.
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As another gay gamer.. I have to say I somewhat disagree with the posts in this thread. Just from reading the first page I think some stereotypes are being re-enforced that frankly sadden me
I've been in a committed relationship with my partner (I call him my boyfriend.. term doesn't really matter) for 2 years. It bothers me to know that the OP of this thread is re-itterating the idea that all gay people have multiple casual encounters and that something like summer would make a difference in their frequency.
Frankly that sort of sluttiness is shared communally between both straight and gay people. To identify it as a gay trait and boast about the randomness ("I didn't know who the other 3 people I slept with were") just re-articulates some of the reasoning behind the negative stereotypes associated with gays and gay culture.
I hope that was/is not your intent, but I suggest you rethink some of what you're saying.
I hope most people reading this thread understand that the VAST majority of gay people are not slutty, flamboyant or anything else stereotypically tied with gay culture. They are just people.
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On August 29 2010 18:49 shoutout wrote:
I hope most people reading this thread understand that the VAST majority of gay people are not slutty, flamboyant or anything else stereotypically tied with gay culture. They are just people.
From what I've seen and experienced gay guys tend to be more slutty than heterosexuals. It's still not correct for me to say this because It's my own opinion and it isn't based on factual evidence.
So if you have some factual evidence to support YOUR claim I'd like to hear about it.
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On August 29 2010 18:49 shoutout wrote:I hope most people reading this thread understand that the VAST majority of gay people are not slutty, flamboyant or anything else stereotypically tied with gay culture. They are just people. Amen. I wonder if there are enough of us for a casual tournament or other gathering. I'd like to play with many of you. Maybe we have more in common?
EDIT: To the post above, you aren't going to notice the straight-acting fags (hey, is it offensive if a gay guy calls another gay guy a fag?) and their behaviour. A lot of us have no means of broadcasting our sexuality and don't plan on changing that, so you'll never know until we tell you.
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On August 29 2010 13:32 buhhy wrote:
No. People have an aversion to homosexuality because it's not "normal". Humans naturally avert "strange" things, that's how we survived.
No, you are completely wrong, and the post you quoted was right. Speaking as a gay biologist, who actually thinks about these kind of things, I can assure you pretty firmly that pretty much all of our attitudes towards homosexuality as well as homosexuality itself are completely due to genes, genetics and evolution. The reason it's strange/hated/not normal is BECAUSE gay people reproduce less. And your second sentence about how humans survived is also wrong. But I'm not going to get into the whole of human evolution right here 
I think we shouldn't go too far into this whole morality discussion though, it just gets people all riled up and angry. Especially about such a sensitive topic.
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i knew you would get along well with mathias beforehand =)
sorry for distracting you from the other TL guys but we just had such a great time - I can't even imagine Niki being 13% funnier on weed 
besides i told Naz the next day what a great night we had and he approved, so it's all well!
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On August 29 2010 19:26 Vectraat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 18:49 shoutout wrote:
I hope most people reading this thread understand that the VAST majority of gay people are not slutty, flamboyant or anything else stereotypically tied with gay culture. They are just people. From what I've seen and experienced gay guys tend to be more slutty than heterosexuals. It's still not correct for me to say this because It's my own opinion and it isn't based on factual evidence. So if you have some factual evidence to support YOUR claim I'd like to hear about it.
Actually, I've seen studies about lifetime number of sexual partners pointing towards homosexuals being more promiscuous (than heterosexuals). I'm not going to try and link to anything though, because google is just clogged with christian propaganda bullshit about gays.
I have no doubt that there are gays who are perfectly conservative sexually, but there is definitely a difference in sexual partners between homo/heterosexuals. Meh, I'm not saying I look down on it or anything, so no one take this post incorrectly.
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