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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
February 22 2010 19:08 GMT
#401
On February 23 2010 01:37 bdams19 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that it burns fat before you would ever start eating your muscles but that is just what I've always thought.

I've been sick the past week and have not gone to the gym once. I feel horrible. Please insult me via PM or here to increase motivation. Will be heading there later today.


im not sure why you need motivation, if you really wanted to be in the gym you would be.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20008 Posts
February 22 2010 20:33 GMT
#402
On February 23 2010 01:37 bdams19 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that it burns fat before you would ever start eating your muscles but that is just what I've always thought.

I've been sick the past week and have not gone to the gym once. I feel horrible. Please insult me via PM or here to increase motivation. Will be heading there later today.


you probably feel horrible because you havent been to the gym. I get antsy when i don't go for a few days, and i ALWAYS feel better when i'm in a good groove of working out. This shoulder thing is killing me, i feel like such a piece of shit being lazy :-( Oh well, off to the doctor to have them check it out.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-22 21:25:06
February 22 2010 21:24 GMT
#403
On February 21 2010 21:52 Jh wrote:
-nutrition is 80% of the program
There's no way around this. Pack your lunch, don't eat shit, 5 meals a day. I did 5 + protein shake so I guess that's 6 meals but this worked out well for me.


Everyone should read this a couple of times to understand the importance of proper nutrition. Maybe the percentages are a bit off but it does get the point across. Without nutrition you will never get fit and healthy the in the long run.

"Abs are made in the kitchen."
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
ShinyGerbil
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada519 Posts
February 22 2010 21:29 GMT
#404
hey TL fitness thread, I have a question. I'd like to try Starting Strength, but I'm already involved in quite a bit of sports/running/swimming stuff several times a week. I get the feeling that this means I won't be able to do the routine properly, as I won't have enough recovery time in between workouts. Should I space the workouts out more? or just go easier on them each time? or just bite the bullet and exhaust myself to pieces every day?
Thanks for the advice!
[s]savior[/s] jaedong fighting! // member of LighT eSports
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20008 Posts
February 22 2010 22:04 GMT
#405
On February 23 2010 06:29 ShinyGerbil wrote:
hey TL fitness thread, I have a question. I'd like to try Starting Strength, but I'm already involved in quite a bit of sports/running/swimming stuff several times a week. I get the feeling that this means I won't be able to do the routine properly, as I won't have enough recovery time in between workouts. Should I space the workouts out more? or just go easier on them each time? or just bite the bullet and exhaust myself to pieces every day?
Thanks for the advice!


You should be able to mix it in with what sounds do be like mostly cardio work. If not, when i'm in-season for rugby cut lifting weights down to ~2 days.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
February 22 2010 22:05 GMT
#406
On February 23 2010 06:29 ShinyGerbil wrote:
hey TL fitness thread, I have a question. I'd like to try Starting Strength, but I'm already involved in quite a bit of sports/running/swimming stuff several times a week. I get the feeling that this means I won't be able to do the routine properly, as I won't have enough recovery time in between workouts. Should I space the workouts out more? or just go easier on them each time? or just bite the bullet and exhaust myself to pieces every day?
Thanks for the advice!


You'll have to list exactly what you're doing currently for us to give you any real advice. My opinion is that you shouldn't worry about it; swimming and running are slow twitch muscle activities and are not the same as heavy lifting. However, if you're looking to build muscle, you might want to cut back on all the cardio.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
February 22 2010 22:51 GMT
#407
On February 23 2010 06:29 ShinyGerbil wrote:
hey TL fitness thread, I have a question. I'd like to try Starting Strength, but I'm already involved in quite a bit of sports/running/swimming stuff several times a week. I get the feeling that this means I won't be able to do the routine properly, as I won't have enough recovery time in between workouts. Should I space the workouts out more? or just go easier on them each time? or just bite the bullet and exhaust myself to pieces every day?
Thanks for the advice!

cardio will definitely slow down your progress if you were to do starting strength.
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
matthewfoulkes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom246 Posts
February 22 2010 22:57 GMT
#408
any1 know a good nutrition plan i can get that will keep me good throughout the school-day i have a budget of £12 a week and this is just for food i will eat at school, im looking to get a good plan and infrastructure so i can cheaply maintain the diet i need.
Lies? I Dont Tell lies! Thats no lie!
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
February 22 2010 23:08 GMT
#409
Hi guys,
I've recently started swimming laps at the local pool. Today I got a nasty cramp in my left calf while I was swimming for the first time. I've been reading around and the advice people give is to stay hydrated, make sure to stretch the calves before going in, keep electrolytes up by eating stuff like bananas or those sports drinks, and don't go too hard with the legs. Any other advice I should be aware of?
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
February 22 2010 23:25 GMT
#410
Those all pretty much cover it skyglow1. Be sure to stretch before AND after. Stretching after is more important than you think and has more effect because your muscles are already warm.

On February 23 2010 04:08 AoN.DimSum wrote:

im not sure why you need motivation, if you really wanted to be in the gym you would be.


Haha that was good. Also thank you to matthew for this solid PM which had me rolling:

+ Show Spoiler +
Go fucking work out you fucking loser. you think your ill? think of lance armstrong. your just a fucking pussy get down to the fucking gym now you dickhead.


lol tl is awesome
crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-22 23:31:57
February 22 2010 23:30 GMT
#411
On February 23 2010 08:08 skyglow1 wrote:
Hi guys,
I've recently started swimming laps at the local pool. Today I got a nasty cramp in my left calf while I was swimming for the first time. I've been reading around and the advice people give is to stay hydrated, make sure to stretch the calves before going in, keep electrolytes up by eating stuff like bananas or those sports drinks, and don't go too hard with the legs. Any other advice I should be aware of?



too much chlorine exposure for a loong time can result in asthma and stuff, acc to some sources.
either way, chlorine isn't good for u at all. if there's a lake u can go to it would be nice to go there when u can. but if not, it really isn't extremely toxic, although it still is to a smaller degree. but again, not enough to consider it negligible for all eternity.

they usually treat the pool and hit it with chlorine in the morning. one tihng u can do is to avoid swimming right after a chlorine injection. but if they have a constant controlled release system, it's all the same.
crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
February 22 2010 23:42 GMT
#412
sodium caseinate is effectively the same thing as monosodium glutamate. i would be wary of taking purified isolated casein powder.

food isn't supposed to be taken like that. it's the dose that makes the poison and things in nature have a much better balance of things, that avoid harmful effects and many times synergize nutrients.

u can gain healthily, and normally without powders, so just eat well and save ur money. ppl got buff all the time before we had these powders and extracts.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 23 2010 03:02 GMT
#413
On February 23 2010 01:37 bdams19 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that it burns fat before you would ever start eating your muscles but that is just what I've always thought.

I've been sick the past week and have not gone to the gym once. I feel horrible. Please insult me via PM or here to increase motivation. Will be heading there later today.


Take vitamin D.... at least 10,000 IU.

Will help pretty much any upper respiratory infection.

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/

On February 23 2010 06:29 ShinyGerbil wrote:
hey TL fitness thread, I have a question. I'd like to try Starting Strength, but I'm already involved in quite a bit of sports/running/swimming stuff several times a week. I get the feeling that this means I won't be able to do the routine properly, as I won't have enough recovery time in between workouts. Should I space the workouts out more? or just go easier on them each time? or just bite the bullet and exhaust myself to pieces every day?
Thanks for the advice!


Cut it down to 2 days a week for now.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
February 23 2010 06:38 GMT
#414
Hope it's not too late to make that "first post" here.

Age: 19 || Height: 5'6" || Weight: 128 lbs
Current lifts, just today/last week:
Deadlift: 1x5x145 ll Squat: 5x5x105 ll Bench: 5x5x95
Starting Date: weeks ago || Goal Date: this summer, for no real reason, actually.
Weight goals: gain a lot of weight; not too worried about fat gain, but staying lean is kinda a secondary concern
Training goals: be able to consistently lift my own bodyweight for the big three while gaining weight.
Nutrition goals: Eat at least 20kcal/pound body weight per day.

Now, a few other questions.

If I can't get my requisite 400-500 kcal for some meals, is there anything "wrong" with making up for it in another meal?

Another nutrition question: how much should an underweight guy like me worry about processed foods? I'm drinking as much whole milk with peanut butter (probably most of my processed food is peanut butter) as I can. This is much easier than popping open a can of tuna and eating ritz (probably my only other commonly consumed processed food). If the only reason some overweight people shouldn't consume processed food is because it's denser in calories, shouldn't I eat more if I need it to get the amount of calories I need?

I train at a community college, and I am only training two days a week, monday/wednesday. I have no class on Friday, and no remotely convenient way of getting there on Friday. I feel like I'm training hard enough to not be able to just waltz into a gym on Thursday and start lifting whatever I was lifting on Wednesday and not die. I have a barbell at home with some weight I can use, maybe for something like overhead press/rows. I'm thinking I can do OH presses/rows and some bodyweight exercises on friday? I really only do deadlifts/squats/benches when I'm at the CC gym. =\



Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
February 23 2010 13:06 GMT
#415
On February 23 2010 05:33 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 01:37 bdams19 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that it burns fat before you would ever start eating your muscles but that is just what I've always thought.

I've been sick the past week and have not gone to the gym once. I feel horrible. Please insult me via PM or here to increase motivation. Will be heading there later today.


you probably feel horrible because you havent been to the gym. I get antsy when i don't go for a few days, and i ALWAYS feel better when i'm in a good groove of working out. This shoulder thing is killing me, i feel like such a piece of shit being lazy :-( Oh well, off to the doctor to have them check it out.


Lol, I hadn't gone to the gym for 2 weeks, showed up yesterday, everyone was looking at me like I had returned from the grave. "Dude.. haven't seen you in months!". It honestly did feel like I had taken months off.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42428 Posts
February 23 2010 13:21 GMT
#416
I'm catered at university and you can kind of help yourself at breakfast and dinner and but the queues are a bitch. That means I usually just eat breakfast and then skip dinner (you don't get hungry once you get used to it). How bad is that for trying to improve fitness? I'm getting results but if it's making life a lot harder then I'd change.
Usually for breakfast I have
- 2 rashers of bacon
- 1 sausage
- beans
- 3 hash browns
- bowl of corn flakes
- 2 glasses of juice

That'll pretty much last me 24 hours. I eat about 8am and usually go to the gym about 1pm.
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OOl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 13:39:24
February 23 2010 13:26 GMT
#417
Hey guys just want to say I'm a new-add to the Fitness Initiative "community experts". I'm no expert in my opinion but I have a good bit of knowledge regarding weight lifting, weight loss, MMA, brazilian jiu jitsu, and injuries. Any questions feel free to post here or to PM!

On February 23 2010 22:21 KwarK wrote:
I'm catered at university and you can kind of help yourself at breakfast and dinner and but the queues are a bitch. That means I usually just eat breakfast and then skip dinner (you don't get hungry once you get used to it). How bad is that for trying to improve fitness? I'm getting results but if it's making life a lot harder then I'd change.
Usually for breakfast I have
- 2 rashers of bacon
- 1 sausage
- beans
- 3 hash browns
- bowl of corn flakes
- 2 glasses of juice

That'll pretty much last me 24 hours. I eat about 8am and usually go to the gym about 1pm.

Some-what depends on your goal but either way eating one meal a day or that little food in general is a big no-no. I'd need to know more about your goal to give you any sufficient advice other than eat more no matter what your goal is!

On February 23 2010 15:38 Thesecretaznman wrote:
Hope it's not too late to make that "first post" here.

Age: 19 || Height: 5'6" || Weight: 128 lbs
Current lifts, just today/last week:
Deadlift: 1x5x145 ll Squat: 5x5x105 ll Bench: 5x5x95
Starting Date: weeks ago || Goal Date: this summer, for no real reason, actually.
Weight goals: gain a lot of weight; not too worried about fat gain, but staying lean is kinda a secondary concern
Training goals: be able to consistently lift my own bodyweight for the big three while gaining weight.
Nutrition goals: Eat at least 20kcal/pound body weight per day.

Now, a few other questions.

If I can't get my requisite 400-500 kcal for some meals, is there anything "wrong" with making up for it in another meal?

Another nutrition question: how much should an underweight guy like me worry about processed foods? I'm drinking as much whole milk with peanut butter (probably most of my processed food is peanut butter) as I can. This is much easier than popping open a can of tuna and eating ritz (probably my only other commonly consumed processed food). If the only reason some overweight people shouldn't consume processed food is because it's denser in calories, shouldn't I eat more if I need it to get the amount of calories I need?

I train at a community college, and I am only training two days a week, monday/wednesday. I have no class on Friday, and no remotely convenient way of getting there on Friday. I feel like I'm training hard enough to not be able to just waltz into a gym on Thursday and start lifting whatever I was lifting on Wednesday and not die. I have a barbell at home with some weight I can use, maybe for something like overhead press/rows. I'm thinking I can do OH presses/rows and some bodyweight exercises on friday? I really only do deadlifts/squats/benches when I'm at the CC gym. =\




Typically, at least 3x a week is reccomended. From your mention of feeling too sore on thursday after lifting wednesday is a good sign! However, for optimal results I'd reccomend finding a way to work out 3 times a week at least. The Rippetoe program listed in the OP is a great program for a beginning weightlifter.
OOl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 13:39:42
February 23 2010 13:28 GMT
#418
crap double post sorry delete please!
OOl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 13:39:12
February 23 2010 13:35 GMT
#419
woops. triple post..delete please
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
February 23 2010 13:40 GMT
#420
On February 23 2010 22:21 KwarK wrote:
I'm catered at university and you can kind of help yourself at breakfast and dinner and but the queues are a bitch. That means I usually just eat breakfast and then skip dinner (you don't get hungry once you get used to it). How bad is that for trying to improve fitness? I'm getting results but if it's making life a lot harder then I'd change.
Usually for breakfast I have
- 2 rashers of bacon
- 1 sausage
- beans
- 3 hash browns
- bowl of corn flakes
- 2 glasses of juice

That'll pretty much last me 24 hours. I eat about 8am and usually go to the gym about 1pm.

that looks like a really unhealthy eating habit you have there. regardless of whether your goals are for gaining mass or losing fat, you really should be eating 5-6 meals a day (with each having a decent amount of protein).

not the healthiest looking breakfast either IMO. i personally would drop the hash browns and the juice (i prefer milk).
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
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