EPTDota 2 QQ thread - Page 81
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eFonSG
United States255 Posts
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Tsutchie
Australia951 Posts
On July 21 2012 11:04 Nilrem wrote: I had a match where I was lich and was solo bottom lane against morph/ck. I dominated them, harassed them and continually killed them (and even managed to kill ursa). And even after I wiped the floor with that lane, my team decided to feed a team of carries and we lost. Was so annoyed... thats the worse feeling, losing to a team of carries when your team is balanced. | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
*I say farm in the loosest sense of the word, since PA had vlads+BKB 40 mins in when she had a pretty good lane (at least, they got kills before I came ganking) and didn't join any fight (although I guess you could say she was, since they would go walk across the map to where she was and she would ignore all our pings and "b"s and die). Well, at least I know I'm not bad at bat now, just the first time i played his is was horribly noob  | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
I'm TA and want to gank SF, who's mid against me. He's on the Radiant, and my Furion is farming the easy camp right behind him, so I ping him and draw on the map. Trap sprung I walk in and attack SF. Furion doesn't react. As SF's HP drop Furion thinks he can get that kill for himself and sprouts him. Obviously I can't attack him anymore and he gets away. Furion calls me a noob, then says hes "doing his own thing". Later I solo Rosh, when the Naga on my team, who donated the first Aegis by overextending, walks in, kills Rosh and takes the Aegis, ignoring my chat that I want to take it. I then want to farm ancients when, surprise, Naga comes and takes those too. Axe gets himself killed by standing alone in front of the base. I tell him to stop feeding, or we lose, to which he replies that it's not a problem. At this point I decide to afk farm, because fuck that team, seriously. Furion declares himself best hero on the team. There's only so much shitcock fuckheads I can take. Once I have Heart we crack the base and win, prompting the enemy Luna to type how TA owned them, to which my team responds that that isn't the case and I'm just noob. Also worst TA ever etc... | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
I just had a game where I was playing SF, and I was doing pretty good, outleveling everyone by a fair few levels etc, and a teamfight was happening, I was about to get an amazing ult off, would've gotten me an ultra kill at least, BUT, like 0.2 seconds before it goes off, SONG OF THE SIREN LOLOLOLOLOL. The excuse was "i only see my hp was 100", jesus fucking christ. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On July 22 2012 00:01 Canas wrote: Don't think I've seen a single naga in dota 2 who isn't fucking awful yet, this is so incredibly annoying. I just had a game where I was playing SF, and I was doing pretty good, outleveling everyone by a fair few levels etc, and a teamfight was happening, I was about to get an amazing ult off, would've gotten me an ultra kill at least, BUT, like 0.2 seconds before it goes off, SONG OF THE SIREN LOLOLOLOLOL. The excuse was "i only see my hp was 100", jesus fucking christ. I completely botched my ult the first time I played siren and cost us a team fight. And then went 15-0 afterwards because lol siren. They still somehow managed to blame everything on me =( | ||
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Tsutchie
Australia951 Posts
On July 22 2012 00:01 Canas wrote: Don't think I've seen a single naga in dota 2 who isn't fucking awful yet, this is so incredibly annoying. I just had a game where I was playing SF, and I was doing pretty good, outleveling everyone by a fair few levels etc, and a teamfight was happening, I was about to get an amazing ult off, would've gotten me an ultra kill at least, BUT, like 0.2 seconds before it goes off, SONG OF THE SIREN LOLOLOLOLOL. The excuse was "i only see my hp was 100", jesus fucking christ. thats the thing with patch day. every noob and their mom starts playing the new heros. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On July 22 2012 00:43 Tsutchie wrote: thats the thing with patch day. every noob and their mom starts playing the new heros. I haven't lost with a naga on my team yet. Even when they suck ass, she seems to perform really well  | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
3 major teamfights, get void ulted? NP, steal it and use it on enemy team! trololol | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MW4uU.png) My team's reaction to my Arcane Boots on Naga. Note that this is the very same Kunkka who somehow missed a Torrent on a slept hero. And never used his ship when I used ulti. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
I'm sure you can figure out what happened next. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
These are pretty standard games for me: + Show Spoiler [Spoilered for large images] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DN7Cw.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rl0qE.jpg) But I guess I truly did deserve to lose those games after all and matchmaking is totally fair, right. This game is such a fucking joke, I honestly don't get how valve managed to pick someone so incredibly fucking incompetent to design their matchmaking system. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/d6a4v.png) | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On July 22 2012 20:02 Canas wrote: I don't actually believe the matchmaking system works, at all, and until valve introduces a visible rating system, I'm not going to believe what anyone tells me either. I'm currently like 440-375 or something, and this currently places me in the "high" skill bracket. My friend is 86-81, and this places him in the "very high" skill bracket. Another friend who just recently got a beta key and is 57-33, playing like 90% of his game with me is also placed in the "very high" skill bracket. Both of these friends also believe that out of the 3 of us, I am the better player without a doubt. These are pretty standard games for me: + Show Spoiler [Spoilered for large images] + But I guess I truly did deserve to lose those games after all and matchmaking is totally fair, right. This game is such a fucking joke, I honestly don't get how valve managed to pick someone so incredibly fucking incompetent to design their matchmaking system. Lol that helmet is fucking stupid looking. | ||
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b3n3tt3
595 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On July 22 2012 20:02 Canas wrote: I don't actually believe the matchmaking system works, at all, and until valve introduces a visible rating system, I'm not going to believe what anyone tells me either. I'm currently like 440-375 or something, and this currently places me in the "high" skill bracket. My friend is 86-81, and this places him in the "very high" skill bracket. Another friend who just recently got a beta key and is 57-33, playing like 90% of his game with me is also placed in the "very high" skill bracket. Both of these friends also believe that out of the 3 of us, I am the better player without a doubt. These are pretty standard games for me: + Show Spoiler [Spoilered for large images] + But I guess I truly did deserve to lose those games after all and matchmaking is totally fair, right. This game is such a fucking joke, I honestly don't get how valve managed to pick someone so incredibly fucking incompetent to design their matchmaking system. Dota matchmaking is actually very complicated because it becomes very difficult to isolate your skill when compared to that of players on your team and the other team. If you queue as 5 and nobody else in your group plays any games outside of your group of 5, you will all have the same matchmaking information regardless of your individual performance from game to game because similar to Blizzard's system (or many other such systems, but I mention Blizzard because this is a Starcraft site and I've done write-ups on it), Valve's system cares only about the end result of a game -- win or lose -- when modifying your MMR after a game ends. The complexities emerge when you have different players on your team. Some of these players will be very good and net you otherwise-undeserved wins, and some will net you losses. Valve tries to figure this out by analyzing after each game the overall skill spread of both teams, whether the expected outcome of the game was even or lopsided, and what the actual result was. Note that that analysis doesn't actually factor into your MMR, instead they use it internally to measure how they need to adjust their matchmaking ranges and rules to get the fairest results. Valve has said that generally a team with a wider skill spread will win because the most skilled player on a team has a larger impact than the least skilled player (so a really good player will outweigh the impact of a feeding/inexperienced player). There will be no visible rating system, only the ambiguous "normal"/"high"/"very high", which is somewhat frustrating because there's no way to gauge whether you're going up or down. Valve's made their decision about the only visible thing being battle points which are grindable and don't relate to skill at all. Maybe that's for the best, because from what I hear about HoN and LoL, there's a lot of entitlement/elitism/derision revolving around displayed ratings. All that said, the matchmaking ranges certainly feel particularly wide. I'm running an experiment with two accounts where I play normally on one, and the second is for teaching new friends how to play and generally keeping my MMR quite low to that end. Even so, I've encountered players on the other team who have been really really good -- as good as I'd commonly find on my main account -- on my weaker account. It's difficult to gauge whether this was an uneven pairing, or maybe I slipped and allowed my MMR to become too high, or if just those good players on the other team carried the otherwise horrible players (meaning a fair game by Valve's prediction but a very wide skill spread for their team), or if their team composition was better strategized to beat ours. There are a lot of these factors to consider with Dota 2 matchmaking, and there are too many times where the matchmaking is going to feel uneven because the flow of the game can change so dramatically so quickly. | ||
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OceanLab
France505 Posts
AND I had to disconnect for the first time in my life. I guess I'm stuck with the noobz now :D | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 23 2012 00:41 b3n3tt3 wrote: protip in pubs: everyone is a carry. so if you support, then your team will probably win most of the time. unless your team is completely retarded. The boring thing is that you get tired of support AND, if your team has a few bad eggs, the game becomes a 1 hour bore-a-thon because you can't do crap yourself even if you're playing well. Hell, one of my first games I played a tide. Safe to say, everyone on both teams sucked dick, so I actually had to carry and won us the game with a good score... but that was the absolute lowest MMR, generally you will be in a pretty shitty spot playing support and having better K/D than anyone else. EDIT: Speak of the devil, just played a game as lich. Went 9-1 in the early game, then 2 people on my team disconnected and the third one kept playing but fed and didn't buy any items, had 9k gold in the end. I ended on 15-7 which is decent considering, but yeah, that sucked ^^ | ||
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