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On October 03 2012 04:36 pilsken wrote:
Fuck TA. Fuck, fuck, fuck that broken-ass shit fucking hero. Fuck refraction. Especially fuck Psi Blades.
How the fuck do you solo mid against that fucking hero with ANYTHING.
Heroes i've tried so far:
Tinker - laser is nice for miss, but you can't nuke her ever and she has more base damage. With a rune, she can just dive you.
SF - you get trashed.
Viper - you get trashed. The Poison is completely useless as it ticks too slow.
Morf - if you morf on high agi, the splash from psi blade rapes you. if not, you dont get any lasthit. Waveform at least allows you to get runes / get away.
Invoker - can hold it's own ok, but some good splashes still kill your hp and you give TA free rune control.
Puck - gets completely and utterly trashed.
Potm - gets trashed
Storm - gets trashed
QoP - Shadow Strike can be dodged by meld. Nuff said.
Any suggestions? DS? Ion shell spam seems like the only thing that could hold her down. I fear that Veno has the same problem like viper, that you might go through the defensive charges, but the free +million damage and spill from blades would still make you her bitch. Batrider mb? Pudge? Axe? Anything?
I might be slightly exaggerating, but every time i play mid against her, i just want to punch myself in the face.
try ancient apparition. Just burn her refraction with cold feet and once you reach lvl 6 or 7 you can kill her with cold feet+ult if she is stupid enough to 1v1 you. It'll be hard to out last-hit her early on but you can keep her away from creepwave if you use cold feet to make her run away. Also get stats instead of ice vortex at lvl 2 and 4.
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viper and veno both wreck her mid
just position yourself better, she shouldn't be able to hit you w/o an invis or a haste
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On October 03 2012 04:36 pilsken wrote:
Fuck TA. Fuck, fuck, fuck that broken-ass shit fucking hero. Fuck refraction. Especially fuck Psi Blades.
How the fuck do you solo mid against that fucking hero with ANYTHING.
Heroes i've tried so far:
Tinker - laser is nice for miss, but you can't nuke her ever and she has more base damage. With a rune, she can just dive you.
SF - you get trashed.
Viper - you get trashed. The Poison is completely useless as it ticks too slow.
Morf - if you morf on high agi, the splash from psi blade rapes you. if not, you dont get any lasthit. Waveform at least allows you to get runes / get away.
Invoker - can hold it's own ok, but some good splashes still kill your hp and you give TA free rune control.
Puck - gets completely and utterly trashed.
Potm - gets trashed
Storm - gets trashed
QoP - Shadow Strike can be dodged by meld. Nuff said.
Any suggestions? DS? Ion shell spam seems like the only thing that could hold her down. I fear that Veno has the same problem like viper, that you might go through the defensive charges, but the free +million damage and spill from blades would still make you her bitch. Batrider mb? Pudge? Axe? Anything?
I might be slightly exaggerating, but every time i play mid against her, i just want to punch myself in the face.
Venomancer or Queen of Pain. The thing is you have to be extremely aggressive. At lvl 1, Infraction only absorb 3 hits and 17 CD. As a range attack hero, there is no way for TA to get close to last hit. If he tried to last hit, put alot of aggression on him. As queen of Pain, get the Q as your 1st skill and spam it everytime TA get close to last hit. If you can delay TA bottle, you probably gonna win your lane. Also, you need to position yourself to not get hit by Psi Blade.
As Venomancer, you should have no problems against TA. Venomancer is such a harsh hero agaisnt Melee.
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Well just came from another game with QQing team mates. QQ is my ultimate weakness in this game actually (first I stop having fun, then I slowly stop caring about winning). Yeah, QQ resistance is a good skill to have but I'm not great at it.
I honestly really want a 1v1 mode where you control all five heroes at once (with each separate gold pools, no pooling one items on one hero, so you have to farm for each hero individually).
You'd still probably 2, 1, 2 lane with all heroes like usual but you control them all at once (which may sound hard but you can let them auto attack at first while paying attention to minimap, etc).
Finally a lot of people sometimes don't get the concept of support. Obviously if you play a pub stomping carry every game, you're probably going to have a good score but some heroes just aren't meant for that (plus, playing them all the time is boring). Also when you get ganked by 4-5 heroes, you don't QQ a teammate who can't do anything about it (I guess I can go in, try to stun one, hope their whole team misclicks and hope I don't get killed).
Not that I'm saying I'm the best Dota player or I'm above average (I'd say fairly average enough to be able to pub stomp with pub stomping heroes if needed) but I'm really disliking pubs.
When I started Dota 2 (I guess do to how match making matches up you with players with similar game count or something), I got into games where everyone treated each other well. I thought, wow! What an improvement from WC3 Dota!
Of course as I played more and more, each game became more QQ from team mates.
That's why I really want a true 1v1 mode in Dota. It's a great game but I feel would offer more variety (and less QQ from teammates) if there was a true 1v1 (each player controls 5 heroes, separate gold pools, no item pooling one hero, farm individually for each hero) mode.
It'd be not that much different than playing normal RTS where you control multiple units (WC3 with 3 heroes for example).
Finally before anyone says Dota is a team based game where leading and interacting with your team is also an important skill - That is true but again it requires that ultimate QQ resistance skill that I lack.
(Hipster nerd time [for some *"credibility" in experience] - I've been playing Dota back in the days when everyone was complaining about how Sentinel was OP because they had Riki [with death ward], Gondar, etc [since there was no all pick at the time]. Also upgraders and no denying!) I actually miss the days when CM (remember, sentinel was "IMBA") carried the whole team countless time and was actually really frightening to go against (nowadays not so much).
*Yes I know when I started playing doesn't matter in terms of skill but just wanted to bust out my hipsterness if that helps people agree with what I say for some reason.
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You know that you're in for a rough game when your solo mid TA loses first blood to a solo mid CM. Then proceeds to flame your team for the rest of the game.
Who even knew a CM could kill a TA solo?
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cm isn't even a bad mid
but nobody ever lets me mid with her 
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she's not bad mid but she dont need the farm nor the level so its better to let somebody else mid
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Still TA is just about the best solo mid in the game, she should not die to a solo CM ever.
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On October 03 2012 04:36 pilsken wrote:
Fuck TA. Fuck, fuck, fuck that broken-ass shit fucking hero. Fuck refraction. Especially fuck Psi Blades.
How the fuck do you solo mid against that fucking hero with ANYTHING.
Heroes i've tried so far:
Tinker - laser is nice for miss, but you can't nuke her ever and she has more base damage. With a rune, she can just dive you.
SF - you get trashed.
Viper - you get trashed. The Poison is completely useless as it ticks too slow.
Morf - if you morf on high agi, the splash from psi blade rapes you. if not, you dont get any lasthit. Waveform at least allows you to get runes / get away.
Invoker - can hold it's own ok, but some good splashes still kill your hp and you give TA free rune control.
Puck - gets completely and utterly trashed.
Potm - gets trashed
Storm - gets trashed
QoP - Shadow Strike can be dodged by meld. Nuff said.
Any suggestions? DS? Ion shell spam seems like the only thing that could hold her down. I fear that Veno has the same problem like viper, that you might go through the defensive charges, but the free +million damage and spill from blades would still make you her bitch. Batrider mb? Pudge? Axe? Anything?
I might be slightly exaggerating, but every time i play mid against her, i just want to punch myself in the face.
Axe.
Axe best mid.
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Bleh, the balance in pubs is not that hard coded into stone. It all comes down to the midplayers skill.
True, TA is one of the best if not the best solomid hero in competitive gaming, but that cannot be said about pubs, since the skill of the players is the most ruling factor, not the hero.
Thus, if the CM is like really good and knows his shit (hell, he might have TRAINED to do CM mid) and TA is only average, the chances for both of them are quite equal if not tinted towards CM.
My two cents, tho.
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Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense?
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On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense?
It's not the end of the world.
If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you.
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On October 03 2012 22:28 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense? It's not the end of the world. If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you.
I was stuck out of exp/gold range as our team's hard carry, against Clinkz who was getting free farm. I got ganked twice because Axe was sitting at mid for some reason, and nobody decided to ward either rune, so we could see if/when their mid got a rune.
It's not the end of the world, it's fucking annoying. And if they do it within the first 5 minutes of the game I'm leaving, because I won't get an abandon.
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On October 03 2012 22:31 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 22:28 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense? It's not the end of the world. If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you. I was stuck out of exp/gold range as our team's hard carry, against Clinkz who was getting free farm. I got ganked twice because Axe was sitting at mid for some reason, and nobody decided to ward either rune, so we could see if/when their mid got a rune. It's not the end of the world, it's fucking annoying. And if they do it within the first 5 minutes of the game I'm leaving, because I won't get an abandon.
If you're the one who left, then you're getting an abandon even if it's within the first 5 minutes.
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On October 03 2012 23:05 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 22:31 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 22:28 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense? It's not the end of the world. If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you. I was stuck out of exp/gold range as our team's hard carry, against Clinkz who was getting free farm. I got ganked twice because Axe was sitting at mid for some reason, and nobody decided to ward either rune, so we could see if/when their mid got a rune. It's not the end of the world, it's fucking annoying. And if they do it within the first 5 minutes of the game I'm leaving, because I won't get an abandon. If you're the one who left, then you're getting an abandon even if it's within the first 5 minutes.
I'm not sure if you know how the abandon system works.
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On October 03 2012 23:18 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 23:05 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:31 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 22:28 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense? It's not the end of the world. If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you. I was stuck out of exp/gold range as our team's hard carry, against Clinkz who was getting free farm. I got ganked twice because Axe was sitting at mid for some reason, and nobody decided to ward either rune, so we could see if/when their mid got a rune. It's not the end of the world, it's fucking annoying. And if they do it within the first 5 minutes of the game I'm leaving, because I won't get an abandon. If you're the one who left, then you're getting an abandon even if it's within the first 5 minutes. I'm not sure if you know how the abandon system works.
??? You're the one who doesn't know how the abandon system works if you think you don't get one in the first 5 minutes. First player to leave always gets an abandon, unless the other 4 players on the same team also all leave before the abandon timer (5 minutes) runs out. It doesn't matter when you leave, whether it's at the start of the game, or near the end. You still get the abandon. What you don't get is a loss on your record, if you leave before first blood/tower down/5 minutes, whichever is first. If you leave after fb/tower down/5 minutes, you get both the abandon and a loss and your team gets a loss, if they lose. If they win, you get an abandon, while they get a win.
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On October 03 2012 23:30 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 23:18 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 23:05 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:31 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 22:28 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense? It's not the end of the world. If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you. I was stuck out of exp/gold range as our team's hard carry, against Clinkz who was getting free farm. I got ganked twice because Axe was sitting at mid for some reason, and nobody decided to ward either rune, so we could see if/when their mid got a rune. It's not the end of the world, it's fucking annoying. And if they do it within the first 5 minutes of the game I'm leaving, because I won't get an abandon. If you're the one who left, then you're getting an abandon even if it's within the first 5 minutes. I'm not sure if you know how the abandon system works. ??? You're the one who doesn't know how the abandon system works if you think you don't get one in the first 5 minutes. First player to leave always gets an abandon, unless the other 4 players on the same team also all leave before the abandon timer (5 minutes) runs out. It doesn't matter when you leave, whether it's at the start of the game, or near the end. You still get the abandon. What you don't get is a loss on your record, if you leave before first blood/tower down/5 minutes, whichever is first. If you leave after fb/tower down/5 minutes, you get both the abandon and a loss and your team gets a loss, if they lose. If they win, you get an abandon, while they get a win.
To add to this, you can leave at any point before the game starts (before the timer reaches 0), and you wont get an abandon. After that, you're screwed.
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On October 03 2012 23:30 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 23:18 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 23:05 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:31 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 22:28 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense? It's not the end of the world. If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you. I was stuck out of exp/gold range as our team's hard carry, against Clinkz who was getting free farm. I got ganked twice because Axe was sitting at mid for some reason, and nobody decided to ward either rune, so we could see if/when their mid got a rune. It's not the end of the world, it's fucking annoying. And if they do it within the first 5 minutes of the game I'm leaving, because I won't get an abandon. If you're the one who left, then you're getting an abandon even if it's within the first 5 minutes. I'm not sure if you know how the abandon system works. ??? You're the one who doesn't know how the abandon system works if you think you don't get one in the first 5 minutes. First player to leave always gets an abandon, unless the other 4 players on the same team also all leave before the abandon timer (5 minutes) runs out. It doesn't matter when you leave, whether it's at the start of the game, or near the end. You still get the abandon. What you don't get is a loss on your record, if you leave before first blood/tower down/5 minutes, whichever is first. If you leave after fb/tower down/5 minutes, you get both the abandon and a loss and your team gets a loss, if they lose. If they win, you get an abandon, while they get a win.
I'm pretty sure I know how it works. I leave games regularly before the 5 minute mark if our team comp is retarded (Left one this morning when we had Void, Ursa, Weaver and Invoker, and the last guy picked Lycan)
I left the Sniper game, didn't get an abandon.
Left a game as Earthshaker last night in the first 5 minutes, no abandon.
You might want to check your facts before acting like you know something!
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On October 04 2012 00:04 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 23:30 Musou wrote:On October 03 2012 23:18 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 23:05 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:31 anonymitylol wrote:On October 03 2012 22:28 Heh_ wrote:On October 03 2012 22:19 anonymitylol wrote:
Why can't people EVER fucking stack the god damn camp before they pull it? I was just playing Sniper vs Clinkz solo botlane and kept my creep wave perfectly in position so I could cs safely under my tower, then fucking Axe comes along and pulls the camp without stacking, pushing my lane with an extra 3 creeps.
I've been leaving so many games recently because of this shit, why are people so god damn dense? It's not the end of the world. If you get upset over a small little thing, then dota's probably not the game for you. I was stuck out of exp/gold range as our team's hard carry, against Clinkz who was getting free farm. I got ganked twice because Axe was sitting at mid for some reason, and nobody decided to ward either rune, so we could see if/when their mid got a rune. It's not the end of the world, it's fucking annoying. And if they do it within the first 5 minutes of the game I'm leaving, because I won't get an abandon. If you're the one who left, then you're getting an abandon even if it's within the first 5 minutes. I'm not sure if you know how the abandon system works. ??? You're the one who doesn't know how the abandon system works if you think you don't get one in the first 5 minutes. First player to leave always gets an abandon, unless the other 4 players on the same team also all leave before the abandon timer (5 minutes) runs out. It doesn't matter when you leave, whether it's at the start of the game, or near the end. You still get the abandon. What you don't get is a loss on your record, if you leave before first blood/tower down/5 minutes, whichever is first. If you leave after fb/tower down/5 minutes, you get both the abandon and a loss and your team gets a loss, if they lose. If they win, you get an abandon, while they get a win. I'm pretty sure I know how it works. I leave games regularly before the 5 minute mark if our team comp is retarded (Left one this morning when we had Void, Ursa, Weaver and Invoker, and the last guy picked Lycan) I left the Sniper game, didn't get an abandon. Left a game as Earthshaker last night in the first 5 minutes, no abandon. You might want to check your facts before acting like you know something!
You're still wrong. You didn't read my caveats, which would possibly explain why you didn't get abandons. If someone else abandons before you (disconnects and clicks "leave game"), they get the abandon. Also, if you leave that early, it's likely the rest of your team left immediately afterward, thus preventing the game from even being recorded. If nobody leaves, you would have gotten an abandon.
Edit: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=23692 official word, just to show that you're wrong.
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