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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 26 2012 23:28 GMT
#3061
The most frustrating feeling on earth is losing to an axe who just camps behind towers and there is nothing you can do as a hard support, because NO ONE on team will listen and come down to kill him and he keeps getting away from you solo with <100 hp. combine that natural pushing advanatge with pubs not liking to defend towers and not liking to push and you end up with a stupidly lopsided game.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
September 26 2012 23:31 GMT
#3062
On September 27 2012 08:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
The most frustrating feeling on earth is losing to an axe who just camps behind towers and there is nothing you can do as a hard support, because NO ONE on team will listen and come down to kill him and he keeps getting away from you solo with <100 hp. combine that natural pushing advanatge with pubs not liking to defend towers and not liking to push and you end up with a stupidly lopsided game.


I've only been playing a week but I've learned from pubs to just follow the leader. Because chances are you won't be the leader. I can ping and ward and setup ganks all day but nobody moves from their little farm spot to do shit unless the carry moves.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 01:11:52
September 27 2012 00:17 GMT
#3063
Just finished a game, where we had a 19-3 lead..ended up losing 51-52.

Again after playing a bunch of good games where I carried the team, I get into a team where there's a rikki, who does not use smoke at all, a pudge who's playing for the first time, ends up feeding 20 times. out of that 52 score, 20 were his deaths, and of course the usual stuff, pudge hooks air or friendly team mates on the verge of a kill lol.

Currently in the next game, tide buys flying courier first and says courier doesnt work, ends up buying 3 couriers lol.
Now tide does not want us to use his 3 couriers, finally we convince him too.

Now shadow fiend does not want us to send courier to secret shops or anywhere close to the border of the dire side because it's dangerous, he says come to closest tower and take your stuff.....fml hwo the fuck did this match even happen. he also actively sends back any couriers.
Meerel
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany713 Posts
September 27 2012 03:16 GMT
#3064
i fucking hate this matches that are basically over and 2 players left from the opponents team. then i start not caring at all and just play some rdm shit and we lose.
not just me but all my teammates aswell ofc. and since dropedgames are counting since some time (i dont know when that happend) it kinda sucks
SDMF
coopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 04:18:50
September 27 2012 04:18 GMT
#3065
Game pop'd and it's random draft, cool. I'm first pick for my team and im asked by our brown to pick him tiny. ok so i did and in return wanted windrunner if she wasn't picked up ( which she was by the other team ) or shadow shaman. 5th pick finally rolls around and our team comp is Tiny, sniper, morph, qop atm and we are vs a rubick, es, jakiro, chaos knight and wr. im like fk we really need a shaman or supporty hero. ask him to swap me over shaman and he says " we need spectre there team has alot of aoe " and locks in spectre.

in game when i asked him why he didn't swap me he said that I " got punked " and now know my lesson for picking other peoples heroes. sometimes this game makes me crazy lol

https://dotabuff.com/matches/44057954 match if anyone is interested, i kinda raged on him throughout the game as I really don't ever play tiny ;;
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
September 27 2012 04:43 GMT
#3066
I feel like DotA MM is very much like playing Russian Roulette with 5 in the chamber.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
September 27 2012 08:01 GMT
#3067
dont know which is worse, Naix with only Power Treads in jungle or 0-10 Gondar that call solo easy lane after 20 minutes .....
Put quote here for readability
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 10:14:27
September 27 2012 08:16 GMT
#3068
Pub decision making: blink into certain death 100% of the time, run away from a won battle 100% of the time. This is why I play carries, not supports.

Pub logic: Tell mid where rune is --> your fault if he doesn't take it.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Wyk
Profile Joined March 2011
314 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 11:41:34
September 27 2012 11:40 GMT
#3069
On September 27 2012 00:50 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 00:39 Gosi wrote:
Wow, so sad right now. I played MM with a friend, I was veno and went #5 support, bought courir, upgraded, pulled and went to stack all the time to give our carry most of the XP and gold, roamed around to ward and anti ward whole game, sat plauge wards for optimal vision all the time (they had strong iniation heroes like Tiny and PotM), always got away my gale and posion nova in team fights before I died.

But our lineup sucked and our lack of stuns lost us the game in the end. I then get flamed by 3 of my teammates that picked an awful lineup and played bad "lol veno feeder" "no items so bad, buy items retard" "uninstall this game" and when the discussion about support and what I did the whole game came up I get to hear "no one asked you to play support like that".

Just wow. I don't usually play support on pubs, but because I got venomancer this game I did it for the team. Will probably never do that ever again. If "main supporters" get this shit often then I'm so fucking sorry for you guys.

Q fucking Q



Its true. You cant go support in this game in random MM. You'll always be the noob who doesn't have any items (which is kind of obvious when you're buying all the wards, courier, smoke, dust, whatever else the team needs). That + you have to rely on someone else carrying the game who might or might not do a good job about it. So it ends up kinda random if you win or not, thus you'll never gain more MMR. Easiest choice is to pick a hardcarry or ganker yourself.

Biggest lol about this is having a random carry shout something like "look at your score you have 0-5 i have 7-2 baddie" when you actually did something useful in the game.

dont know which is worse, Naix with only Power Treads in jungle or 0-10 Gondar that call solo easy lane after 20 minutes .....

I think I'll go with Lone druid 2x treads basher vlads at ~40 minutes(after getting a midas ofc)
Souone
Profile Joined July 2012
Brazil470 Posts
September 27 2012 12:26 GMT
#3070
Just had a 35 min queue and when I finally get into the game a guy abandons in the picking phase ... Is this real life ?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8257 Posts
September 27 2012 12:34 GMT
#3071
On September 27 2012 20:40 Wyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 00:50 Excludos wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:39 Gosi wrote:
Wow, so sad right now. I played MM with a friend, I was veno and went #5 support, bought courir, upgraded, pulled and went to stack all the time to give our carry most of the XP and gold, roamed around to ward and anti ward whole game, sat plauge wards for optimal vision all the time (they had strong iniation heroes like Tiny and PotM), always got away my gale and posion nova in team fights before I died.

But our lineup sucked and our lack of stuns lost us the game in the end. I then get flamed by 3 of my teammates that picked an awful lineup and played bad "lol veno feeder" "no items so bad, buy items retard" "uninstall this game" and when the discussion about support and what I did the whole game came up I get to hear "no one asked you to play support like that".

Just wow. I don't usually play support on pubs, but because I got venomancer this game I did it for the team. Will probably never do that ever again. If "main supporters" get this shit often then I'm so fucking sorry for you guys.

Q fucking Q



Its true. You cant go support in this game in random MM. You'll always be the noob who doesn't have any items (which is kind of obvious when you're buying all the wards, courier, smoke, dust, whatever else the team needs). That + you have to rely on someone else carrying the game who might or might not do a good job about it. So it ends up kinda random if you win or not, thus you'll never gain more MMR. Easiest choice is to pick a hardcarry or ganker yourself.

Biggest lol about this is having a random carry shout something like "look at your score you have 0-5 i have 7-2 baddie" when you actually did something useful in the game.

Show nested quote +
dont know which is worse, Naix with only Power Treads in jungle or 0-10 Gondar that call solo easy lane after 20 minutes .....

I think I'll go with Lone druid 2x treads basher vlads at ~40 minutes(after getting a midas ofc)


One of my best games I've had as a support I had 0 kills with chen and a bazillion assists.
Its also funny how a surprising amount of people seems to think that HP somehow corresponds to "skill". The more HP you have, the better you're doing.
I once got shouted at by the team for only have 1000hp on a Gondar, when I only had a couple of deaths and around 10 kills at that point. Here's a protip: HP does not kill the enemy. (we also had an enigma who never hit blackholes, and a tidehunter who couldn't bother to use his bad spell called Ravage, and a carry who rushed hearth first because "WHOHO HP!")
toemn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany915 Posts
September 27 2012 13:44 GMT
#3072
I dont know what it is but since the last patch my matchmaking experience is just HORRIBLE. I keep getting paired with people who have significantly fewer wins than me. I guess this is because I'm on a very big winning streak (played with a friend the other day and literally won every game) and the game wants me to lose in order to keep a 50% win ratio. Also I still have to endure a 200+ ping because I have to queue on US-East in order to avoid the russian plague on the EU servers. But the last few days more russians found out that there are other servers which they can ruin so they also queue for USE now. Yesterday I had a game in which all my teammates were speaking russian in voice. We ended up winning the game (20-2 Death Prophet lol) but I was literally playing a singeplayer game and I hated it.

I don't get why Valve doesn't implement a visual MMR rating. This way people will think twice before ruining a game by playing bad because their MMR will visually be lower.
I think Dota 2 will be in beta status for a long time seeing that in its current state the situation would get much worse when more players are introduced to the game when it is f2p.

QQ.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
September 27 2012 22:55 GMT
#3073
Why do so many people show up in pub matches with matching tags on their name, as if they're on some pro team? I'd honestly love to know the psychology that goes into a decision like that so if any of you do it or know someone who does, please enlighten me. As it is, the only reason I can think of is that they're gigantic douches.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
September 27 2012 22:59 GMT
#3074
On September 28 2012 07:55 Yacobs wrote:
Why do so many people show up in pub matches with matching tags on their name, as if they're on some pro team? I'd honestly love to know the psychology that goes into a decision like that so if any of you do it or know someone who does, please enlighten me. As it is, the only reason I can think of is that they're gigantic douches.

It feels good when a tryhard 5 stack with clantags, clan "symbols" playing CM get utterly stomped by 5 random solo queue-ers.
=Þ
SneakyAZN
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States200 Posts
September 27 2012 23:43 GMT
#3075
My goodness probably the worse pub game ive had in a while. Easy game to win but the axe on my team decides to camp in the trees by enemy fountain to kill their courier for the next 20 mins while they push and win

QQ
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 27 2012 23:51 GMT
#3076
Oh my god why are most of the Brazilians I play with so terrible and why do they plague NA servers.

I'm so tired of gambling in pubs. I don't mean to be offensive but Jesus they're just so terrible most of the time. It drives me nuts.
Not bad for a cat toy.
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-28 00:14:15
September 28 2012 00:12 GMT
#3077
I reached a point where i can't play on EU anymore, even as stack of 4 chance to get random russian 2-15-5 Meepo is too high. US East is so much better, not even considering indywidual player skill, but that people are able to communicate there and sometimes there is even teamwork.

And to QQ a bit more - 3 games as solo. First flawless victory (20-0) and we ate em on every lane. Second game - i got stomped, every lane failed, well ok happens. 3rd game - my team stomps so hard its not even funny. 3 games within 1,5h during peak time and instant quques. MM in this game is god damn bad
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
September 28 2012 00:23 GMT
#3078
I swear I just can't believe some people in this game. Or how you can possibly lose some matches. I mean...are there people out there actively trying to lose or something?

I'm Viper. Team is me, Jakiro, Razor, Bounty Hunter and Phantom Lancer. Opposition is Dark Seer, Outworld Destroyer, Naga Siren, Leshrac and Gyrocopter. I go mid and end up vs OD. I absolutely dominate him getting a few early kills and stuff. Other things seem to be going well. Their Gyrocopter drops for good so its 5v4.

Everything going awesomely at least as far as I could see. Reasonable trades. I eventually hit something like 12-2 (first time playing Viper and loving it) and Phantom Lancer is busily farming up his Manta. Good position.

Then we just basically lose because of three members of the team being totally useless. BH kept going off into the jungle and sitting on the ancient spawning points for no reason whilst Jakiro and Razor had some sort of competition going to see who could feed the most (Jakiro was 1-10 and Razor 1-14; both of them finished around 4-7 levels lower than everyone else still actually playing). Absolutely nothing I could do in most fights now other than try to survive (which didn't happen often with no escape ability and my team all running away at the first sign of trouble...or just dying).

Then, as they're smashing down our base I'm pushing top hard, desperately trying to base race them (futile effort, but worth a try; I've managed it with Antimage before today). Jakiro pings like hell on our base and asks me to come back. So I blindly TP back thinking they've actually got their act together and just need the extra support to successfully hold them back for a little longer.

Nope, of course not. In fairness it was a stupid mistake on my part to come back without checking the situation or, indeed, to even take this guy at his word. Three of them are already dead by the time I get back and I arrive back in time just fast enough to get Netted, Vacuumed and then sliced up by four Naga Sirens. Great.

Punchline to all this? I ask "how did that happen?" (albeit with more swearing) referring to the fact we were ahead and then just lost. Jakiro with his 1-10 score had the audacity to say "because you went off". *headdesks*
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 28 2012 00:53 GMT
#3079
If it makes you feel any better, you probably couldn't have outpushed them anyway if you went for the base trade.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 28 2012 00:53 GMT
#3080
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 09:23 Lightspeaker wrote:
I swear I just can't believe some people in this game. Or how you can possibly lose some matches. I mean...are there people out there actively trying to lose or something?

I'm Viper. Team is me, Jakiro, Razor, Bounty Hunter and Phantom Lancer. Opposition is Dark Seer, Outworld Destroyer, Naga Siren, Leshrac and Gyrocopter. I go mid and end up vs OD. I absolutely dominate him getting a few early kills and stuff. Other things seem to be going well. Their Gyrocopter drops for good so its 5v4.

Everything going awesomely at least as far as I could see. Reasonable trades. I eventually hit something like 12-2 (first time playing Viper and loving it) and Phantom Lancer is busily farming up his Manta. Good position.

Then we just basically lose because of three members of the team being totally useless. BH kept going off into the jungle and sitting on the ancient spawning points for no reason whilst Jakiro and Razor had some sort of competition going to see who could feed the most (Jakiro was 1-10 and Razor 1-14; both of them finished around 4-7 levels lower than everyone else still actually playing). Absolutely nothing I could do in most fights now other than try to survive (which didn't happen often with no escape ability and my team all running away at the first sign of trouble...or just dying).

Then, as they're smashing down our base I'm pushing top hard, desperately trying to base race them (futile effort, but worth a try; I've managed it with Antimage before today). Jakiro pings like hell on our base and asks me to come back. So I blindly TP back thinking they've actually got their act together and just need the extra support to successfully hold them back for a little longer.

Nope, of course not. In fairness it was a stupid mistake on my part to come back without checking the situation or, indeed, to even take this guy at his word. Three of them are already dead by the time I get back and I arrive back in time just fast enough to get Netted, Vacuumed and then sliced up by four Naga Sirens. Great.

Punchline to all this? I ask "how did that happen?" (albeit with more swearing) referring to the fact we were ahead and then just lost. Jakiro with his 1-10 score had the audacity to say "because you went off". *headdesks*


Sounds like a typical game for me. I enjoy your carry lineup. My latest game was pretty much like this. We had a VS who refused to support. Didn't buy a single ward or anything relating to support. Our Sven, would waste his mana on creeps. So whenever we'd be in a team fight he wouldn't have enough mana to ult+stun. Our OD was just an all around terrible player. The kicker? They were all queued together and Brazilian. Our Ogre was forced to play pure support and me; being Luna was forced to die a lot and not have any farm due to zero map control.

After we got stomped on repeatedly what happens? One of my Brazilian comrades (The Vengeful Spirit) tells me we lost because I suck and they even had the audacity to point out how I was lacking items (I only had treads/helm of dom/bottle/wand). Now I don't mean to boast, but I'm a damn good Luna player. I dominate with her so badly, but when you have a brain dead team it's impossible to do shit. I went mid and I shut down invoker and even killed him once. I ganked the lanes, I did my job. But once the laning phase ended we got shit all over. Repeatedly.

The level of my frustration is quite high.
Not bad for a cat toy.
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