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On September 14 2012 13:15 garlicface wrote:
I get to play Invoker and Firebolt isn't even there.
Props to Hyper for the Mirana pick in the trilane. I'm still trying to figure that one out.
Thanks  , when a team gets enigma and he is jungler + they got a really strong carry like AM/void/naga who needs stuff to be powerful, just try to get an aggressive trilane and kill their dual safe lane. In this game, even if i was drunk + tide not that experienced, we managed to annoy them :D. Maybe razor would have been stronger pick, but stancel's arrow just too good, GG WP !
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With the experience of a grand total of 4 inhouses I'd say there could be more room for different picks and people shouldn't be afraid to pick non-top heroes. AS LONG AS you pick viable lanes (I don't ever want to have to see a Dark Seer, Batrider, Necrolyte trilane again) it should not be a problem at all, honestly there is so much variance in skill levels the hero lineups won't make that huge of a difference if you don't get ran over in the early game due to bad lanes.
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On September 14 2012 20:23 ZEEEPh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 18:18 lozarian wrote:On September 14 2012 02:02 vanTuni wrote:On September 13 2012 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I played some good games the past couple of days. My only complaint is that people seem to put far more emphasis on doing what they think is a good draft than what heroes people can play decently. I'm probably in the minority here because I'm fairly inexperienced but it seems like a better idea to give someone a hero they are comfortable with than giving them a hero that is optimal for the draft but not as good with. I don't mind trying new heroes but I'm far more likely to be terrible with them compared to the ones I'm more used to. I see your point, but in 85% of the cases the heroes that get drafted are the ones you should be either comfortable with or be learning first, if you want to get anywhere in semi-organised play. As for me, I only ask around if people can play a certain hero if I want to pick something a bit more special. We're all here to learn, so best thing if you get to play a hero you are not "good" with, is to ask your teammates for skill- and itembuilds, positioning on the lane, role on clashes etc. That, or you make me play the weird shit. Too much emphasis is put on picks anyway. 99% of the time it's execution and play that matters more. not entirely, you may be executing the best way you can, if the other team is coordinated and has a better late game (for example) you can lose the game, the draft is very important. you can't brush it off like that. the only ih i played in (that one that we could not push before the 30min), we didnt execute poorly, they simply turtled better and that made them win the game
So.. what you're saying is that if both teams play to the best of their ability and the best the heroes and lineups can be palyed then the draft matters, or if the other team play better than you, you lose?
Well, I'm glad we're in agreement.
Yes, the draft makes a difference, but I keep seeing people piss and moan about drafts, about how "we lost at the draft" or just straight up complain from minute 1 - not necessarily here, but all over the place, and it's just a scapegoat for getting outplayed most of the time.
I fully understand that the draft is important, but until you're playing at a very high level - it's not as important as individual plays, communication, having a proper plan of action, positioning, execution, and any one of the dozens of other things that make up the game.
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On September 14 2012 21:39 lozarian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:23 ZEEEPh wrote:On September 14 2012 18:18 lozarian wrote:On September 14 2012 02:02 vanTuni wrote:On September 13 2012 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I played some good games the past couple of days. My only complaint is that people seem to put far more emphasis on doing what they think is a good draft than what heroes people can play decently. I'm probably in the minority here because I'm fairly inexperienced but it seems like a better idea to give someone a hero they are comfortable with than giving them a hero that is optimal for the draft but not as good with. I don't mind trying new heroes but I'm far more likely to be terrible with them compared to the ones I'm more used to. I see your point, but in 85% of the cases the heroes that get drafted are the ones you should be either comfortable with or be learning first, if you want to get anywhere in semi-organised play. As for me, I only ask around if people can play a certain hero if I want to pick something a bit more special. We're all here to learn, so best thing if you get to play a hero you are not "good" with, is to ask your teammates for skill- and itembuilds, positioning on the lane, role on clashes etc. That, or you make me play the weird shit. Too much emphasis is put on picks anyway. 99% of the time it's execution and play that matters more. not entirely, you may be executing the best way you can, if the other team is coordinated and has a better late game (for example) you can lose the game, the draft is very important. you can't brush it off like that. the only ih i played in (that one that we could not push before the 30min), we didnt execute poorly, they simply turtled better and that made them win the game So.. what you're saying is that if both teams play to the best of their ability and the best the heroes and lineups can be palyed then the draft matters, or if the other team play better than you, you lose? Well, I'm glad we're in agreement. Yes, the draft makes a difference, but I keep seeing people piss and moan about drafts, about how "we lost at the draft" or just straight up complain from minute 1 - not necessarily here, but all over the place, and it's just a scapegoat for getting outplayed most of the time. I fully understand that the draft is important, but until you're playing at a very high level - it's not as important as individual plays, communication, having a proper plan of action, positioning, execution, and any one of the dozens of other things that make up the game.
of courser! i completely agree with you, my point is just that you can't give all the importance of the game to plays when drafting is a huge part of the game. getting outlaned due to drafting severely impairs your plays, unless you play very very defensive or you have a huge understanding of you team mates.
there is always someone complaining about some petty shit, that is wrong but it happens.
yes, if every one plays to his fullest with the lineup they have, the best lineup wins the game, but that only happens in high level games
at least this is how i see it
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Game's up, pass: tlih
Edit: nvm that, seems like no TL guys around for some matches.
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still no ih? 
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I'll be back in about 30 minutes.
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On September 14 2012 21:39 lozarian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:23 ZEEEPh wrote:On September 14 2012 18:18 lozarian wrote:On September 14 2012 02:02 vanTuni wrote:On September 13 2012 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I played some good games the past couple of days. My only complaint is that people seem to put far more emphasis on doing what they think is a good draft than what heroes people can play decently. I'm probably in the minority here because I'm fairly inexperienced but it seems like a better idea to give someone a hero they are comfortable with than giving them a hero that is optimal for the draft but not as good with. I don't mind trying new heroes but I'm far more likely to be terrible with them compared to the ones I'm more used to. I see your point, but in 85% of the cases the heroes that get drafted are the ones you should be either comfortable with or be learning first, if you want to get anywhere in semi-organised play. As for me, I only ask around if people can play a certain hero if I want to pick something a bit more special. We're all here to learn, so best thing if you get to play a hero you are not "good" with, is to ask your teammates for skill- and itembuilds, positioning on the lane, role on clashes etc. That, or you make me play the weird shit. Too much emphasis is put on picks anyway. 99% of the time it's execution and play that matters more. not entirely, you may be executing the best way you can, if the other team is coordinated and has a better late game (for example) you can lose the game, the draft is very important. you can't brush it off like that. the only ih i played in (that one that we could not push before the 30min), we didnt execute poorly, they simply turtled better and that made them win the game So.. what you're saying is that if both teams play to the best of their ability and the best the heroes and lineups can be palyed then the draft matters, or if the other team play better than you, you lose? Well, I'm glad we're in agreement. Yes, the draft makes a difference, but I keep seeing people piss and moan about drafts, about how "we lost at the draft" or just straight up complain from minute 1 - not necessarily here, but all over the place, and it's just a scapegoat for getting outplayed most of the time. I fully understand that the draft is important, but until you're playing at a very high level - it's not as important as individual plays, communication, having a proper plan of action, positioning, execution, and any one of the dozens of other things that make up the game.
THIS!
i really agree with you, draft does matter, but in our IH level of play, individual players matter most than heroes, yeah, obviously if you pick 5 carries you're gonna lose, but thats not the case in the drafts (as far as i've been playing)
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On September 15 2012 00:50 DV G wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 21:39 lozarian wrote:On September 14 2012 20:23 ZEEEPh wrote:On September 14 2012 18:18 lozarian wrote:On September 14 2012 02:02 vanTuni wrote:On September 13 2012 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I played some good games the past couple of days. My only complaint is that people seem to put far more emphasis on doing what they think is a good draft than what heroes people can play decently. I'm probably in the minority here because I'm fairly inexperienced but it seems like a better idea to give someone a hero they are comfortable with than giving them a hero that is optimal for the draft but not as good with. I don't mind trying new heroes but I'm far more likely to be terrible with them compared to the ones I'm more used to. I see your point, but in 85% of the cases the heroes that get drafted are the ones you should be either comfortable with or be learning first, if you want to get anywhere in semi-organised play. As for me, I only ask around if people can play a certain hero if I want to pick something a bit more special. We're all here to learn, so best thing if you get to play a hero you are not "good" with, is to ask your teammates for skill- and itembuilds, positioning on the lane, role on clashes etc. That, or you make me play the weird shit. Too much emphasis is put on picks anyway. 99% of the time it's execution and play that matters more. not entirely, you may be executing the best way you can, if the other team is coordinated and has a better late game (for example) you can lose the game, the draft is very important. you can't brush it off like that. the only ih i played in (that one that we could not push before the 30min), we didnt execute poorly, they simply turtled better and that made them win the game So.. what you're saying is that if both teams play to the best of their ability and the best the heroes and lineups can be palyed then the draft matters, or if the other team play better than you, you lose? Well, I'm glad we're in agreement. Yes, the draft makes a difference, but I keep seeing people piss and moan about drafts, about how "we lost at the draft" or just straight up complain from minute 1 - not necessarily here, but all over the place, and it's just a scapegoat for getting outplayed most of the time. I fully understand that the draft is important, but until you're playing at a very high level - it's not as important as individual plays, communication, having a proper plan of action, positioning, execution, and any one of the dozens of other things that make up the game. THIS! i really agree with you, draft does matter, but in our IH level of play, individual players matter most than heroes, yeah, obviously if you pick 5 carries you're gonna lose, but thats not the case in the drafts (as far as i've been playing)
You can't win games where you're leaving tiny solo vs invoker and spectre solo vs qop, or when you have a dark seer, batrider necrolyte tri, unless you're like 100 times better than the people you're playing against.
Drafts do matter in these inhouses, whether you want to think they do or not.
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Inhouse is up!, pass: tlih
5/10 >.<!
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welp not a single game won. lol but its ok. that mek from hyper saved my ass :D and we i had fun with the global play though i sucked hard at aa
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On September 15 2012 04:55 sraelgaiznaer wrote:
welp not a single game won. lol but its ok. that mek from hyper saved my ass :D and we i had fun with the global play though i sucked hard at aa
This game was really fun for me. I originally picked Jugger with the thought that he'd allow us to be much more aggressive plus be able to survive all your sudden buttsecks nukes.
For reference, their team consisted of furion, qop, AA, wisp, tiny. We had leshrac, veno, juggernaught, templar assassin and windrunner.
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On September 15 2012 04:58 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 04:55 sraelgaiznaer wrote:
welp not a single game won. lol but its ok. that mek from hyper saved my ass :D and we i had fun with the global play though i sucked hard at aa This game was really fun for me. I originally picked Jugger with the thought that he'd allow us to be much more aggressive plus be able to survive all your sudden buttsecks nukes. For reference, their team consisted of furion, qop, AA, wisp, tiny. We had leshrac, veno, juggernaught, templar assassin and windrunner.
Undying
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So gyro suicide lane is new meta apparently
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On September 15 2012 02:10 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 00:50 DV G wrote:On September 14 2012 21:39 lozarian wrote:On September 14 2012 20:23 ZEEEPh wrote:On September 14 2012 18:18 lozarian wrote:On September 14 2012 02:02 vanTuni wrote:On September 13 2012 14:23 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I played some good games the past couple of days. My only complaint is that people seem to put far more emphasis on doing what they think is a good draft than what heroes people can play decently. I'm probably in the minority here because I'm fairly inexperienced but it seems like a better idea to give someone a hero they are comfortable with than giving them a hero that is optimal for the draft but not as good with. I don't mind trying new heroes but I'm far more likely to be terrible with them compared to the ones I'm more used to. I see your point, but in 85% of the cases the heroes that get drafted are the ones you should be either comfortable with or be learning first, if you want to get anywhere in semi-organised play. As for me, I only ask around if people can play a certain hero if I want to pick something a bit more special. We're all here to learn, so best thing if you get to play a hero you are not "good" with, is to ask your teammates for skill- and itembuilds, positioning on the lane, role on clashes etc. That, or you make me play the weird shit. Too much emphasis is put on picks anyway. 99% of the time it's execution and play that matters more. not entirely, you may be executing the best way you can, if the other team is coordinated and has a better late game (for example) you can lose the game, the draft is very important. you can't brush it off like that. the only ih i played in (that one that we could not push before the 30min), we didnt execute poorly, they simply turtled better and that made them win the game So.. what you're saying is that if both teams play to the best of their ability and the best the heroes and lineups can be palyed then the draft matters, or if the other team play better than you, you lose? Well, I'm glad we're in agreement. Yes, the draft makes a difference, but I keep seeing people piss and moan about drafts, about how "we lost at the draft" or just straight up complain from minute 1 - not necessarily here, but all over the place, and it's just a scapegoat for getting outplayed most of the time. I fully understand that the draft is important, but until you're playing at a very high level - it's not as important as individual plays, communication, having a proper plan of action, positioning, execution, and any one of the dozens of other things that make up the game. THIS! i really agree with you, draft does matter, but in our IH level of play, individual players matter most than heroes, yeah, obviously if you pick 5 carries you're gonna lose, but thats not the case in the drafts (as far as i've been playing) You can't win games where you're leaving tiny solo vs invoker and spectre solo vs qop, or when you have a dark seer, batrider necrolyte tri, unless you're like 100 times better than the people you're playing against. Drafts do matter in these inhouses, whether you want to think they do or not.
Do you mind reading what i said again?.
"i really agree with you, draft does matter,"
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IRC used to have a Bot and stuff.. What happened to the #tl-ihl channel? Now that #c9-dl killed #nadihl for the most part I'm looking for a new IHL since i don't know anyone enough in c9 to vouch me even though i played #na-dl x.x
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On September 15 2012 06:29 Virum wrote:
IRC used to have a Bot and stuff.. What happened to the #tl-ihl channel? Now that #c9-dl killed #nadihl for the most part I'm looking for a new IHL since i don't know anyone enough in c9 to vouch me even though i played #na-dl x.x
It died.
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On September 15 2012 06:31 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 06:29 Virum wrote:
IRC used to have a Bot and stuff.. What happened to the #tl-ihl channel? Now that #c9-dl killed #nadihl for the most part I'm looking for a new IHL since i don't know anyone enough in c9 to vouch me even though i played #na-dl x.x It died.
Well yeah that part is obvious.
There seems to be a want for a #tl-ihl agian and it seems like all that would be needed was the bot and people to use IRC instead of begging for people to join a lobby with password tlihl :p
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IMO, #tl-ih died because dota items came out so not much point to customs, and people took it too seriously cause they wanted artificial points which resulted in lots of flaming and blaming. Though it seems some people take the current TL-IHs pretty seriously too >-_->
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