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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 12 2012 03:18 GMT
#381
I didn't play the game, I think you'll notice that there's two groups of people bashing him here

1) people who played with him and were unaware of his history and are bashing him due to his behavior that game
2) people who knew his history and probably wouldn't play with him/or at least not give him carry and are bashing him for his remarks to the community

If there was a bit of overlap between the groups the entire issue probably wouldn't have happened
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:46:53
September 12 2012 03:25 GMT
#382
On September 12 2012 12:18 Kupon3ss wrote:
I didn't play the game, I think you'll notice that there's two groups of people bashing him here

1) people who played with him and were unaware of his history and are bashing him due to his behavior that game
2) people who knew his history and probably wouldn't play with him/or at least not give him carry and are bashing him for his remarks to the community

If there was a bit of overlap between the groups the entire issue probably wouldn't have happened


They knew enough about him to ban AM and PA. Anybody who claims ignorance in this situation is bullshitting themselves.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:27:22
September 12 2012 03:27 GMT
#383
On September 12 2012 12:25 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
They knew enough about him to ban AM and PA. Anybody who claims ignorance in this situation is bullshitting themselves.

I don't understand the reference to AM and PA bans. Were they being facetious or were they legitimately afraid of him playing those two heroes?
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 12 2012 03:31 GMT
#384
On September 12 2012 12:27 CountChocula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 12:25 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
They knew enough about him to ban AM and PA. Anybody who claims ignorance in this situation is bullshitting themselves.

I don't understand the reference to AM and PA bans. Were they being facetious or were they legitimately afraid of him playing those two heroes?


The entire game was set up to troll Shikyo is my best guess. I didn't start watching until right after the draft. However, Shikyo's team had a much better draft and took a commanding lead in the early game. They were up five towers very early on in the game. Then his team decided to throw because they're all raging idiots.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 03:36:37
September 12 2012 03:35 GMT
#385
nvm im not getting involved in shikyo drama.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 12 2012 03:37 GMT
#386
I consider banning the only two heroes that Shikyo plays trolling him. You're welcome to disagree if you wish. I suppose I failed to mention that they let their third ban timeout so they specifically just banned the two heroes that Shikyo plays.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
September 12 2012 03:54 GMT
#387
On September 12 2012 10:03 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 09:59 FinestHour wrote:
Honestly, its your fault for only playing those two heroes. You should learn to play more roles in some bot games.

I could have played Void though, it was refused. I'm a new player, you know. I of course could have played for months before playing any inhouses, which I'm going to do now. And you really think that flaming is okay if someone can't play a hero? I mean I would understand it and really wouldn't mind if I went like 0-12 but in this:

[image loading]

It's a bit too harsh, you don't think so?

i was not the flaming captain we did remake AP and i got top slot cuz steam trolled us :D :D ....
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
ZEEEPh
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal97 Posts
September 12 2012 10:22 GMT
#388
the usual, lost a game and the fault cycle must be present
besides, if he is new, has to learn someway and imo the best way to learn dota is in a coordenated game like a ih, if you rage like the german kid in youtube, then the problem is not only the target of the rage, but yourself

if you want to play in ih, you have to be more patient, even if there is a known troll/retard in your team. if you don't want to get pissed, go play mm with your friends

and i agree 100% with r.Evo
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
September 12 2012 10:28 GMT
#389
On September 12 2012 11:10 sraelgaiznaer wrote:
welp just got pawned by MoR's draft (Naga, DS, Rubik, Ursa, Zeus) lol. we were doing early game but as the sleeps came we just melted lol. cant reconnect to DoTA 2 now argh. was fun! will join again soon :D


I was the zeus, yeah it was a fun draft.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
September 12 2012 10:33 GMT
#390
The point of an IH is to have fun and play with a nice community. Banning certain heroes to troll someone leads to neither, its just childish and dumb. If you feel playing with someone who can only play 2 heroes is so terrible, let them know and don't join the game, its that simple.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 12 2012 10:48 GMT
#391
On September 12 2012 19:22 ZEEEPh wrote:
the usual, lost a game and the fault cycle must be present
besides, if he is new, has to learn someway and imo the best way to learn dota is in a coordenated game like a ih, if you rage like the german kid in youtube, then the problem is not only the target of the rage, but yourself

if you want to play in ih, you have to be more patient, even if there is a known troll/retard in your team. if you don't want to get pissed, go play mm with your friends

and i agree 100% with r.Evo


The best way to learn the game is not to say "I will only play hardcarry, so give me a hardcarry. But I only know 2 heroes, so you also have to give me one of them". If he wants to learn and play inhouses, he should at least be more open to his team needs. I doubt the issue would be the same if he was open to learning new things. Even a good player should not expect to always play hardcarry just because he wants to play hardcarry.

And if you know a guy on the other team only knows how to play 2 heroes, banning them is a good strategy. It may be too "tryhard" for a casual inhouse, but some people don't have that notion. Yes, they also probally wanted to be annoying because of how he ussually post, but it's not like they went out of their way to do something harmful. Perhaps it's not the "right" thing to do, but honestly it's expected and you shouldn't play any inhouse if banning 2 heroes is such a big deal.

People took it too far, and I'm sure some people were very happy to antagonize him, but he didn't have the right atitude at all.
ZEEEPh
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal97 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 12:16:37
September 12 2012 11:23 GMT
#392
On September 12 2012 19:48 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 19:22 ZEEEPh wrote:
the usual, lost a game and the fault cycle must be present
besides, if he is new, has to learn someway and imo the best way to learn dota is in a coordenated game like a ih, if you rage like the german kid in youtube, then the problem is not only the target of the rage, but yourself

if you want to play in ih, you have to be more patient, even if there is a known troll/retard in your team. if you don't want to get pissed, go play mm with your friends

and i agree 100% with r.Evo


The best way to learn the game is not to say "I will only play hardcarry, so give me a hardcarry. But I only know 2 heroes, so you also have to give me one of them". If he wants to learn and play inhouses, he should at least be more open to his team needs. I doubt the issue would be the same if he was open to learning new things. Even a good player should not expect to always play hardcarry just because he wants to play hardcarry.

And if you know a guy on the other team only knows how to play 2 heroes, banning them is a good strategy. It may be too "tryhard" for a casual inhouse, but some people don't have that notion. Yes, they also probally wanted to be annoying because of how he ussually post, but it's not like they went out of their way to do something harmful. Perhaps it's not the "right" thing to do, but honestly it's expected and you shouldn't play any inhouse if banning 2 heroes is such a big deal.

People took it too far, and I'm sure some people were very happy to antagonize him, but he didn't have the right atitude at all.

of course not, while playing dota there needs to be communication between both sides, i agree that his attitude was not the best but the team can't be shitting him from min 1 until the end like that, specially in a game like this.
in my opinion, since this is a hard game, the team should help lesser skilled players giving tips and advices, if he refuses to do so, then there is a problem that should be dealt differently and not by constant flame and bickering
edit: some typos
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 11:32:49
September 12 2012 11:29 GMT
#393
I think the inhouses can be great for learning, but only if you ask for stuff and someone in the game happens to be willing to explain it. I picked some nice stuff up in the three games I played, but if I didn't open my mouth I probably wouldn't have learned a thing.

What I'd love to see is captains who explain their thought process when picking heroes. I'm only something like 3 weeks in, but some choices really seemed weird, like they had seen it in a pro game and just picked because it was flavour of the week or something. But I'm probably wrong so I'd love to see explanations. Those would probably clear up a ton for hero roles.
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
solsken
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden182 Posts
September 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#394
I've learned several new heroes in the ih games, I've sucked horribly those games and people never whined (with one or two exceptions). And this results in me (probably) being better at those particular heroes in the next game. It's amazing what a bit of experience in something can accomplish!
_HypeR_
Profile Joined January 2012
France83 Posts
September 12 2012 13:13 GMT
#395
don't forget to ban ds + ursa, top combo ever :D
quainter
Profile Joined September 2012
81 Posts
September 12 2012 13:23 GMT
#396
Just from the screenshot, Shikyo did okay relative to his teammates.
sraelgaiznaer
Profile Joined October 2010
Philippines423 Posts
September 12 2012 14:03 GMT
#397
On September 12 2012 22:13 _HypeR_ wrote:
don't forget to ban ds + ursa, top combo ever :D


+1. our game with DS + Ursa is scary already. Add up Naga's sleep to set it all up and we're all dead
OneLoveSick
Profile Joined September 2012
10 Posts
September 12 2012 14:03 GMT
#398
That ursa ds combo was strong.. My ta hated that
_HypeR_
Profile Joined January 2012
France83 Posts
September 12 2012 14:07 GMT
#399
MoR #1 drafter ursa's overpower to remove templar's refraction, such a clever dude :D
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
September 12 2012 15:35 GMT
#400
It really sucks that this has to be repeated, but if you don't know how you're supposed to draft, just don't draft please. It makes for fucking terrible games when you have a drafter who doesn't know what he's doing. Just say if you're not comfortable/have little experience with drafting, and don't ask if someone else WANTS to draft, say that you CANNOT draft.

I don't like drafting, and I'd like to not do it if I can help it, but it's something that I actually know how to do and how it works, so if no one else on the team feels like they can draft, I'll do it.
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