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What is your budget?
It started at 1000euro but I've already expanded it to 1300-ish :p
What is your monitor's native resolution?
Going to be 1920-1080 probably
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Dota2, Skyrim, Witcher 2 and 3, and other triple A titles probably
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Browsing, watching movies/series and Word/Excel
Do you intend to overclock?
Nope
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Probably not
Do you need an operating system?
Yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, need a monitor and a headset
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Prefer an Intel cpu and generally will stick to the more known brands
What country will you be buying your parts in?
The Netherlands
So after 5+ years it's time to upgrade my pc. I can't really use any of the old parts except my mouse and keyboard. So far I've already expanded my budget twice to get a decent list and after much searching I've come up with the following list:
Wish list
1 ASUS H87M-E € 76,72
1 Cooler Master Hyper 412S € 29,90
1 Corsair Vengeance 1500 USB Gaming Headset € 70,00
1 Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3-1600 CL9 kit € 49,99
1 Eizo Foris FS2333 Black € 294,90
1 Intel Core i5 4670 € 190,00
1 LG GH24NS95 € 15,45
1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit NL OEM € 82,85
1 MSI N760 TF 2GD5/OC € 234,50
1 Samsung 840 Evo 120GB € 88,90
1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB € 55,00
total = € 1.235,49 so far
What I'm still wondering about is:
- Is the ASUS H87M-E a proper motherboard for my setup?
- Is a cooler worth it if I'm not going to OC?
- Is the Corsair Vengeance 1500 a good headset? I'm also looking at the Sibera v2, the Razer Carcharis or maybe even a Sennheiser though those are pretty expensive and will stretch my budget even further.
- My biggest issue is with the monitor. From the reviews I've red it's a great ips monitor with quick response times and low input lag, which sounds great. But it's also 300 euro, the most expensive item on the list. Should I get a 120hz monitor for the money or can't my setup support that? Is there a better/equal monitor that I'm missing?
Besides that I still need a case and a power supply. I want a modular psu and was looking at the Seasonic M12II Bronze 520W or the Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520W but I don't know if those are any good.
As for the case, I don't really know what to look for besides aesthetics. And since the case is going to be out of sight, I don't really care about that. I'm more concerned about price, space, airflow and my pc being quiet. My current case is the Antec Sonata Plus 550 which I'm really happy about since it has a dust filter and is decently quiet. But since the power button broke I don't really want to carry it over. I do still have 2 92mm fans that I can maybe use again.
So this is where I'm at currently, hopefully someone can help me get the final details filled in so I finally play some of those steams games that have been collecting virtual dust.
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Without oc my current 4670 hasnt had any trouble at all staying cool on stock(I did add thermalpaste). You could probably scratch the cpu cooler off the list?
Fractal Design Define R4 or Fractal design core 3000 are cheap and good cases but im sure they can give you better suggestions, gl.
Edit: sweet OP, props 
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On August 27 2013 04:16 Gotuso wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?It started at 1000euro but I've already expanded it to 1300-ish :p What is your monitor's native resolution?Going to be 1920-1080 probably What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Dota2, Skyrim, Witcher 2 and 3, and other triple A titles probably What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Browsing, watching movies/series and Word/Excel Do you intend to overclock?Nope Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?Probably not Do you need an operating system?Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?Yes, need a monitor and a headset If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.Prefer an Intel cpu and generally will stick to the more known brands What country will you be buying your parts in?The Netherlands So after 5+ years it's time to upgrade my pc. I can't really use any of the old parts except my mouse and keyboard. So far I've already expanded my budget twice to get a decent list and after much searching I've come up with the following list: Wish list1 ASUS H87M-E € 76,72 1 Cooler Master Hyper 412S € 29,90 1 Corsair Vengeance 1500 USB Gaming Headset € 70,00 1 Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3-1600 CL9 kit € 49,99 1 Eizo Foris FS2333 Black € 294,90 1 Intel Core i5 4670 € 190,00 1 LG GH24NS95 € 15,45 1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit NL OEM € 82,85 1 MSI N760 TF 2GD5/OC € 234,50 1 Samsung 840 Evo 120GB € 88,90 1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB € 55,00 total = € 1.235,49 so far What I'm still wondering about is: - Is the ASUS H87M-E a proper motherboard for my setup? - Is a cooler worth it if I'm not going to OC? - Is the Corsair Vengeance 1500 a good headset? I'm also looking at the Sibera v2, the Razer Carcharis or maybe even a Sennheiser though those are pretty expensive and will stretch my budget even further. - My biggest issue is with the monitor. From the reviews I've red it's a great ips monitor with quick response times and low input lag, which sounds great. But it's also 300 euro, the most expensive item on the list. Should I get a 120hz monitor for the money or can't my setup support that? Is there a better/equal monitor that I'm missing? Besides that I still need a case and a power supply. I want a modular psu and was looking at the Seasonic M12II Bronze 520W or the Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520W but I don't know if those are any good. As for the case, I don't really know what to look for besides aesthetics. And since the case is going to be out of sight, I don't really care about that. I'm more concerned about price, space, airflow and my pc being quiet. My current case is the Antec Sonata Plus 550 which I'm really happy about since it has a dust filter and is decently quiet. But since the power button broke I don't really want to carry it over. I do still have 2 92mm fans that I can maybe use again. So this is where I'm at currently, hopefully someone can help me get the final details filled in so I finally play some of those steams games that have been collecting virtual dust.
Seasonic M12II is a quality unit despite its age (nothing wrong with this) and is quite a bit less expensive than the Coolermaster Silent Pro M2 at that retailer while the Seasonic G is a better unit than both for only €5 more than the Coolermaster, making the Coolermaster unattractive.
As mentioned, the Fractal Design Define R4 is an excellent case with sound-dampening material, built-in fan controller, etc at an amazing price.
The motherboard is fine but keep in mind if you don't need anything other than basic functionality, you may want to get a B85 or H81 board instead to save some money.
No, buying a heatsink is not worth it for an non-overclocking configurations if you are stretching your budget. You can add it later if you find that the stock heatsink is loud or not performing as well as you want.
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What is your current build?
Asus x58 Sabertooth
i7 930
Kingston HyperX 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) XMP Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3K3/12GX
EVGA GTX 770 Classified 4gb vram
PC Power Cooling Silent (2?) 910 watt
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920*1080 - 2 of them.
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I stream BF3 and a few other games but I take a fps hit even though my video card is pretty new.
I really just want a smoother frame rate, the frame rate dips a lot and sometimes it just goes below 30.
What is your budget?
around $700
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
Asus, Intel, EVGA, Kingston
Iam guessing that I will need to upgrade my cpu/motherboard?
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How much (or not at all) is the i7-930 overclocked? What cooler do you have? It might be reusable.
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My old CPU was a i7-930 and I always had quite a time getting it to stream + play smoothly (even League at 1680x1050 struggled). I did have a lot of success using Dxtory as the capture source (like 50% better framerate)
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I didnt OC it, just the turbo boost if that even counts?
Also I have a stock cooler, my case seems to keep everything very cool though, iam using an nzxt phantom with all of the fans in it (the phan-001 model)
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Stock 930 is really slow by today's standards. You can OC them from 2.8 to like 3.6-3.8 or 400mhz higher if it's d0 stepping AFAIK, with good cooling and depending on silicon lottery
It's a pretty massive leap from stock bloomsfield to overclocked Haswell
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MC deal - $60 promo puts the UD4H at $114. Not quite $74 good, but it's $315 before tax for a Haswell combo.
Should be clearing the last of the C1 stock in the next few weeks. MC pricing the IvyBridge combo at only $10 cheaper than Haswell is utterly laughable though. Maybe MC will finally do something substantial when C2 arrives, who knows.
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On August 27 2013 04:58 skyR wrote:
Seasonic M12II is a quality unit despite its age (nothing wrong with this) and is quite a bit less expensive than the Coolermaster Silent Pro M2 at that retailer while the Seasonic G is a better unit than both for only €5 more than the Coolermaster, making the Coolermaster unattractive.
As mentioned, the Fractal Design Define R4 is an excellent case with sound-dampening material, built-in fan controller, etc at an amazing price.
The motherboard is fine but keep in mind if you don't need anything other than basic functionality, you may want to get a B85 or H81 board instead to save some money.
No, buying a heatsink is not worth it for an non-overclocking configurations if you are stretching your budget. You can add it later if you find that the stock heatsink is loud or not performing as well as you want.
I think the Seasonic G that was only 80euro at Azerty was a demo model, which I'm not really that interested in. If I shop around a bit the prices are:
61 euro for the Seasonic II
74 euro for the Cooler Master
90 euro for the Seasonic G
But if the Seasonic II is still a good psu then I gladly go for that to save a bit of money.
As for the 2 mentioned cases, both look great. I really do like the sound-dampening material on the R4, but it does cost me another 100euro, 30-35 more then the Core 3000 which also looks good. How big a difference does the sound-dampening material make? Right now I have a bit of on the sides of my current case, will it be a big step back in terms of sound if choose the Core 3000 without it?
Last question, does anyone have an opinion on the monitor I picked: the Eizo Foris FS2333? I like it but it's also the most expensive piece on my list and I'm wondering if I'm spending too much for a monitor marketed to gamers that doesn't actually give me money for value. Should I get a 120hz monitor? Is there any site out there that I should check out that has a lot of info about monitors?
Thanks for the help so far, this thread and the OP is really helpful
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In regards to the sound dampening material, you still need parts that are quiet in the first place.
I feel it helps with noise like the GPU's electronic parts whining when under stress or the sound HDDs make from their platters spinning at 7200 rpm or fan motor noise like ticking. It won't do magic with the air blowing part of the fans if they have to turn up.
For battling most of the noise, you still need fans that are good at being quiet. You have to make sure to have HDDs and fans mounted with some kind of method using silicone or rubber instead of metal screws. The Core 3000 should not be much different to the Define R4 in those regards from looking at its page.
Be careful with the PSU and the graphics card as you can't easily exchange the cooling on those if you want it quiet.
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On August 27 2013 17:35 Gotuso wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 27 2013 04:58 skyR wrote:
Seasonic M12II is a quality unit despite its age (nothing wrong with this) and is quite a bit less expensive than the Coolermaster Silent Pro M2 at that retailer while the Seasonic G is a better unit than both for only €5 more than the Coolermaster, making the Coolermaster unattractive.
As mentioned, the Fractal Design Define R4 is an excellent case with sound-dampening material, built-in fan controller, etc at an amazing price.
The motherboard is fine but keep in mind if you don't need anything other than basic functionality, you may want to get a B85 or H81 board instead to save some money.
No, buying a heatsink is not worth it for an non-overclocking configurations if you are stretching your budget. You can add it later if you find that the stock heatsink is loud or not performing as well as you want. I think the Seasonic G that was only 80euro at Azerty was a demo model, which I'm not really that interested in. If I shop around a bit the prices are: 61 euro for the Seasonic II 74 euro for the Cooler Master 90 euro for the Seasonic G But if the Seasonic II is still a good psu then I gladly go for that to save a bit of money. As for the 2 mentioned cases, both look great. I really do like the sound-dampening material on the R4, but it does cost me another 100euro, 30-35 more then the Core 3000 which also looks good. How big a difference does the sound-dampening material make? Right now I have a bit of on the sides of my current case, will it be a big step back in terms of sound if choose the Core 3000 without it? Last question, does anyone have an opinion on the monitor I picked: the Eizo Foris FS2333? I like it but it's also the most expensive piece on my list and I'm wondering if I'm spending too much for a monitor marketed to gamers that doesn't actually give me money for value. Should I get a 120hz monitor? Is there any site out there that I should check out that has a lot of info about monitors? Thanks for the help so far, this thread and the OP is really helpful
A silent case is not just about the use of sound dampening material. The case also needs to be designed so that the noise doesn't have a direct path to escape. With the Core 3000, you have the front, side, and top full of mesh in which noise can easily leave the case. There's also the less expensive Define Mini and Corsair 330R to consider for silent cases.
prad.de , tftcentral.co.uk , and flatpanelshd for monitors. hardforum's display forums is also a good source for personal reviews. For your convenience: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1700242 , http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2012/review-eizo-foris-fs2333-bk.html , http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1352273669 Don't worry, it's not like the other terrible products that are marketed towards gamers. It's actually a very good monitor though its still only 60Hz. So if you don't value the qualities of an IPS (better viewing angles and overall better picture) than 120hz will be better, especially if you play lots of FPS games.
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Regarding monitors Not too long ago I borrowed a friends ASUS 24" LED VG248QE(For two weeks, no problems) which is 144hz 1ms and really good(imo, people with more knowledge might know better). It's 270 euros on komplett.
The only one I can suggest from experience that is 120hz or higher. Good luck though.
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IMO all silent cases do is make quiet build silent and normal builds loud.
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Depends what you consider "normal". Quiet computing is all about decreasing noise while keeping temperatures under maximum temperatures. For a single CPU and GPU system, only the NZXT H2 would struggle with heat. Most other quiet cases, like those from Fractal Design and Antec, wouldn't have any trouble regarding temperatures (therefore noise).
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On August 27 2013 10:20 Cyro wrote:
Stock 930 is really slow by today's standards. You can OC them from 2.8 to like 3.6-3.8 or 400mhz higher if it's d0 stepping AFAIK, with good cooling and depending on silicon lottery
It's a pretty massive leap from stock bloomsfield to overclocked Haswell
Massive leap sounds great to me.
Question though, should i save some money and just go for the asus z87 pro vs the new sabertooth?
Also since those are dual channel motherboards, I'd have to buy another 4gb stick for the ram to work properly right?
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On August 28 2013 01:34 Shigure wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 10:20 Cyro wrote:
Stock 930 is really slow by today's standards. You can OC them from 2.8 to like 3.6-3.8 or 400mhz higher if it's d0 stepping AFAIK, with good cooling and depending on silicon lottery
It's a pretty massive leap from stock bloomsfield to overclocked Haswell Massive leap sounds great to me. Question though, should i save some money and just go for the asus z87 pro vs the new sabertooth? Also since those are dual channel motherboards, I'd have to buy another 4gb stick for the ram to work properly right?
Z87 Pro? You could just use the Z87-A (if not less, but Z87-A is $140, same price as Z87-C on newegg, and is the cheapest one with that tier of VRM... not like Haswell uses much power).
Unless you're using the extra SATA ports, Wi-Fi, and whatever else they bundle on there on the feature-rich boards (and/or competitive benchmark overclocking, which seems like not in your interest if you didn't touch the old i7-930), you're just giving them some free extra money.
If you use three sticks of RAM, it should run flex memory mode: dual channel for the first 8 GB and single channel for the last one. You could get the extra stick if you really want though, but how often do you go over 8 GB usage, and how often is the slight difference in performance in most apps between single and dual channel going to be a factor when you do go over 8 GB usage?
Core i7-4770k - $330
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=I7-4770KBX
Asus Z87-A - $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131981
Thermalright True Spirit 140 - $40 (WARNING: only if there is 170mm of clearance between the motherboard and side panel)
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-TS140
alternative: Thermalright Macho HR-02 - $50 (only if there is 162mm of clearance, which pretty much every gamer box case has, except the slimmer and cheaper options with only a 92mm or 80mm fan out back)
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-MACHO
edit: use the rest of the budget to buy Dxtory or try whatever else. I don't really know.
edit2: btw since when did SuperBiiz also start carrying Thermalright? I only noticed just now. It was only Nan's (and Amazon fulfilled by Nan's, of course) for a while in the US for whatever reason.
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On August 28 2013 01:34 Shigure wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 10:20 Cyro wrote:
Stock 930 is really slow by today's standards. You can OC them from 2.8 to like 3.6-3.8 or 400mhz higher if it's d0 stepping AFAIK, with good cooling and depending on silicon lottery
It's a pretty massive leap from stock bloomsfield to overclocked Haswell Massive leap sounds great to me. Question though, should i save some money and just go for the asus z87 pro vs the new sabertooth? Also since those are dual channel motherboards, I'd have to buy another 4gb stick for the ram to work properly right?
Why not first try a strong cooler on your current CPU and overclock as aggressively as possible? If that "overclocked Haswell" in that quoted sentence is important, you would need a large cooler anyways to see that massive leap mentioned. It might turn your current 30 fps minimum into 40, new average fps perhaps being high enough to make the game feel good.
I would probably try this in any case just to see what happens and because I think overclocking is fun.
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^If it's a d0, i'd give this a shot, c0 i wouldn't bother, you can check in cpu-z
There's always just upgrade to Haswell and overclock anyway - I upgraded from Bloomsfield @3.8ghz to Haswell (and got a decent chip that is rock solid 4.6ghz @1.265vcore) and threw in some nice RAM too, and my performance went up like 75% in x264 and i think more than doubled in sc2
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