EPTand the 250 ssd is my only storage as I have two terabytes of external harddrives.
What parts are we keeping and what parts are we changing? I thought 1,000 to 1,2000 euros would be sufficient.
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and the 250 ssd is my only storage as I have two terabytes of external harddrives. What parts are we keeping and what parts are we changing? I thought 1,000 to 1,2000 euros would be sufficient. | ||
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skyR
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On August 29 2013 03:37 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler + oh yeah. and the 250 ssd is my only storage as I have two terabytes of external harddrives. What parts are we keeping and what parts are we changing? I thought 1,000 to 1,2000 euros would be sufficient. I would consider the Seasonic G 450 for slightly more: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/450-Watt-Seasonic-G-Series-Modular-80--Gold_822536.html or forget semi-modular since there isn't many cables you won't be using on a 500w power supply and get a Superflower Golden Green 450 for less: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/450-Watt-Super-Flower-Golden-Green-PRO-Non-Modular-80--Gold_688893.html The idea behind getting a semi-modular unit is to make cable managing easier but the Antec Three Hundred is a relatively old case that lacks cable management features so... Arc Midi R2 for slightly more is significantly better: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Fractal-Arc-Midi-R2-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_845575.html There's also the less expensive Arc Mini for mATX. If you want to stay at the same price range for the case, I'd consider the Corsair 200R instsead: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Corsair-Carbide-Series-200R-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_822379.html | ||
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Should I go for lower RAM? | ||
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ChaosWielder
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I'd like somewhere around $500. What is your monitor's native resolution? 16x9, I believe. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota2. I'd rather if it were closer to max--animated portraits, etc--but if not then I'm not too concerned. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? School work, mostly. Do you intend to overclock? Nope. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Probably not. Do you need an operating system? Yes. Windows 7 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I would need them, yes. However, I would feel comfortable getting them on my own. They would be part of the budget but, like I said, the budget is flexible. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I'd rather if there was a complete comp someone could link/provide. Making a computer is not possible given my time/knowledge constraints at the moment. What country will you be buying your parts in? United States. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I've always had good lucky with Gateway, but I'm open to trying anything...really. | ||
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skyR
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On August 29 2013 01:10 Gotard wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? ~700€ What is your monitor's native resolution? 1680x1050 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota 2. Random AAAAA games. Highest possible settings. I hate aliasing and when stuff flicker (even more after playing some PS3 games lately. Battlefield 3 is so ugly on PS3 T_T). What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Programming (Unity, Visual studio). Do you intend to overclock? I'm too lazy for that. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Nope. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. NVIDIA (for CUDA, OptiX etc.) but it isn't must have. What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. If someone knows good (aka cheap) retailer from Berlin i would be grateful  My build so far: CPU: Intel Core i5-3350p Mobo: AsRock Z77 Pro3 GPU: GeForce GTX 670 RAM: Kingston 8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz CL9 HyperX Black PSU: Thermaltake Smart M550W SSD: Plextor M5S 128GB (I still have my old hdd so I don't need more storage space) Case: Corsair Carbide Series 200R Questions: 1. Should i get better CPU? Something like Intel Core i5 4570K? 3350p seems to be able to handle any game. With this CPU I can save some money and get better GPU which seems more important as far as performance in games goes. 2. Mobo, PSU and RAM are random. Do you have better ideas? 3. Do you thing it's good idea to wait for new AMD cards to be released before buying a GPU? I can still use my old Radeon 4870 HD for some time. Z77 is for overclocking, you want a less expensive H77 or B75 board instead if you will not be overclocking. Thermaltake has never been known for having well priced power supplies so there are probably better units available though its hard to say without knowing availability. XFX Core Edition 550 maybe? RAM is fine. Whether you should get a better CPU or not is up to you and also dependent on price. 4570k is for overclocking and will also require a 8 series motherboard, keep that in mind. Yes, the GPU is typically more important for most games and anti-aliasing. Certain titles such as Battlefield and Total War will greatly benefit from both a better CPU and GPU. If you're not playing any AAA titles right now then yes it may be a good idea to wait for new cards. | ||
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On August 29 2013 03:55 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and the video card and CPU? Should I go for lower RAM? I didn't look at pricing on memory but 2x4gb 1600MHz cas8 is fine. You should probably go for cas9 if they're noticeably less expensive since the FPS difference between cas8 and 9 won't be meaningful. Seems like you're insistent on not overclocking so the CPU is fine. | ||
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Gotard
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On August 29 2013 04:14 skyR wrote: Z77 is for overclocking, you want a less expensive H77 or B75 board instead if you will not be overclocking. Thermaltake has never been known for having well priced power supplies so there are probably better units available though its hard to say without knowing availability. XFX Core Edition 550 maybe? RAM is fine. Whether you should get a better CPU or not is up to you and also dependent on price. 4570k is for overclocking and will also require a 8 series motherboard, keep that in mind. Yes, the GPU is typically more important for most games and anti-aliasing. Certain titles such as Battlefield and Total War will greatly benefit from both a better CPU and GPU. If you're not playing any AAA titles right now then yes it may be a good idea to wait for new cards. Let's say I would like to get 4570k and overclock it a little. What Motherboard should I get? Maybe I should get better CPU cooler and different RAM? | ||
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skyR
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On August 29 2013 04:10 ChaosWielder wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? I'd like somewhere around $500. What is your monitor's native resolution? 16x9, I believe. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota2. I'd rather if it were closer to max--animated portraits, etc--but if not then I'm not too concerned. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? School work, mostly. Do you intend to overclock? Nope. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Probably not. Do you need an operating system? Yes. Windows 7 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I would need them, yes. However, I would feel comfortable getting them on my own. They would be part of the budget but, like I said, the budget is flexible. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I'd rather if there was a complete comp someone could link/provide. Making a computer is not possible given my time/knowledge constraints at the moment. What country will you be buying your parts in? United States. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I've always had good lucky with Gateway, but I'm open to trying anything...really. http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1FD75F or something similar. | ||
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On August 29 2013 04:29 Gotard wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 04:14 skyR wrote: Z77 is for overclocking, you want a less expensive H77 or B75 board instead if you will not be overclocking. Thermaltake has never been known for having well priced power supplies so there are probably better units available though its hard to say without knowing availability. XFX Core Edition 550 maybe? RAM is fine. Whether you should get a better CPU or not is up to you and also dependent on price. 4570k is for overclocking and will also require a 8 series motherboard, keep that in mind. Yes, the GPU is typically more important for most games and anti-aliasing. Certain titles such as Battlefield and Total War will greatly benefit from both a better CPU and GPU. If you're not playing any AAA titles right now then yes it may be a good idea to wait for new cards. Let's say I would like to get 4570k and overclock it a little. What Motherboard should I get? Maybe I should get better CPU cooler and different RAM? Ops, I just went along with 4570k because you said it. The regular 4570 cannot overclock, if you mean the 4670k then you will need a Z87 motherboard. If you mean the 3570k then you need a Z77 motherboard such as the Asrock Z77 Pro3 you originally picked. Yes, it is suggested you get a better heatsink for overclocking. You don't need different memory. | ||
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Myrmidon
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Base is $491 before OS and monitor, both of which are supposed to be in the $500 budget. Some kind of prebuilt from Dell or such (especially refurb / outlet) should be cheaper, considering OS costs. But for that matter, is Windows 8 acceptable or does it have to be Windows 7? There are more options if you allow Windows 8, which you can just use in desktop mode all day. | ||
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On August 29 2013 04:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Will I be able to stream with this setup or will I need to pay more? I definitely thought 1,000 was good enough :x Any setup can stream, it just comes down to the game and quality. But both Battlefield and streaming are CPU intensive so why would you not want to overclock if you're looking for the best performance? | ||
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Cyro
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On August 29 2013 04:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Will I be able to stream with this setup or will I need to pay more? I definitely thought 1,000 was good enough :x You're spending 450 euro on ssd and screen, so you end up with a midrange setup | ||
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ChaosWielder
United States166 Posts
On August 29 2013 04:42 Myrmidon wrote: Base is $491 before OS and monitor, both of which are supposed to be in the $500 budget. Some kind of prebuilt from Dell or such (especially refurb / outlet) should be cheaper, considering OS costs. But for that matter, is Windows 8 acceptable or does it have to be Windows 7? There are more options if you allow Windows 8, which you can just use in desktop mode all day. Pretty sure it has to be 7. I've heard bad things about windows 8 and Dota2. The comp linked to has for graphics cards "AMD Fusion APU onboard." What is that? EDIT: Also, I've been looking around and having some trouble finding something. All this time I thought it was relatively easy finding older comps(not like Dota2 is too demanding, after all). | ||
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On August 29 2013 05:17 Cyro wrote: You're spending 450 euro on ssd and screen, so you end up with a midrange setup True, what would you suggest instead? | ||
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Maybe I'll just give up streaming overall and see how much more I can spend in the right areas. | ||
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On August 29 2013 05:53 Torte de Lini wrote: I'll have to reevaluate what I want to do and how much I'm willing to spend. I'm definitely looking to deck this out to last 4-5 years as a powerful PC. Maybe I'll just give up streaming overall and see how much more I can spend in the right areas. Torte, trying to buy a PC that will be powerful for 5 years is stupid and not doable with your budget. Just listen to me and don't bother these nice people here in the thread. | ||
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are you typing this on your Nexus with one hand? edit: besides, they like showing me how stupid I sound with my inane questions! When they said 'midrange PC', I definitely felt I needed to pay more for something stronger. | ||
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