EPTOn August 29 2013 05:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
True, what would you suggest instead?
True, what would you suggest instead?
Can always add an SSD later.
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Craton
United States17232 Posts
Can always add an SSD later. | ||
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ChaosWielder
United States166 Posts
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
If you are buying a pre-built, I would look elsewhere, tbh, just for quality / support / warranty / etc services. | ||
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Craton
United States17232 Posts
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ChaosWielder
United States166 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
For a reason I can't figure out at seemingly random times my system seems to use WAY too much RAM without even telling me what it is using it for. I had this issue before within the first 2 days of setting it up (stupid me just restarted and didn't worry about it much, I assumed it maybe had something to do with an installer or some kind of random process) but it just happened again. Is there any setting of Win7 or something similar I should be aware about that can cause this? Last time I tried running something RAM intensive during this the system became sluggish as hell until I killed it again so it doesn't seem like Windows is trying to free up RAM even if it's needed. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HApHrLj.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ipEdPbj.png) edit: This is with all possible processes killed from the taskmanager. Not sure how exactly I can kill Avast. o.o + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mS4Ls58.png) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
So I thought about a Upgrade like this. Intel Core i5-4570, 4x 3.20GHz, boxed ~165€ ASRock B85M-HDS ~55€ I really don't need much extras from the Motherboard so I just took the cheapest. I already have a Alpenföhn Broken CPU Cooler (Should fit on 1150) and 8GB DD3-1333 RAM, so that should work out. So buy this, something different or just wait for cheaper prices/new hardware? | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On August 29 2013 22:06 Amaril wrote: Hey, I was waiting for the new consoles to finally upgrade my system (Core2Duo E8400, HD6870) because some Games really slowed down by my CPU I feel. Especially StarCraft2 and Diablo 3 are not running that well lately. Its not terrible - so I could hold on to my system for at least another year I think - at least until the real Next-Gen Games are out. So I thought about a Upgrade like this. Intel Core i5-4570, 4x 3.20GHz, boxed ~165€ ASRock B85M-HDS ~55€ I really don't need much extras from the Motherboard so I just took the cheapest. I already have a Alpenföhn Broken CPU Cooler (Should fit on 1150) and 8GB DD3-1333 RAM, so that should work out. So buy this, something different or just wait for cheaper prices/new hardware? Solid choice. I feel its worth spending a little bit more for the 4670, imo the gains are worth the cost but its no big deal. edit: looked it up, 4570 is more cost efficient so you are probably right. It comes with a stock cooler that will work so don't stress if you cant get the cooler on. But if you have a spare cooler no reason not to put it on. Also be aware the onboard sound doesn't have plugs for 5.1 speakers. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
![[image loading]](http://geizhals.at/p/398435.jpg) For 222€ combined a solid deal I think. | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On August 29 2013 22:47 Amaril wrote: Have that one, its already 3-4years old but works on socket 1150 as I read. For 222€ combined a solid deal I think. Ahh nice. Though if you have such a big cooler it might be worth grabbing a 4670k and cheap z87 and throwing a modest overclock on. But the 4570 and b85 is still a very good choice. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On August 29 2013 22:55 Amaril wrote: I don't know if its worth it. The 4670k is ~200€ and a good Z87 Board is ~85€+ what makes a difference of 60-70€ for maybe 5% more performance? Wait till Cyro comes round, he can give a more accurate OC % increase. But I agree 70 euro is a lot to make up. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
I also have a Samsung 840 256GB SSD and right now running it on SATA2, that should also give a slight performance increase. This should make me able to watch a lagfree 720p Stream while still playing. Thanks for talking me into buying GG | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
285/220 = 1.295 4.4Ghz / 3.2Ghz = 1.375 Therefore it is 'worth it' to spend more to OC. | ||
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
easily get 4.4ghz ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/b8c966e903c716f267b51b4e12be5e66/tumblr_mltgw1XL2s1r9xm21o2_250.gif) User was warned for this post | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:09 iTzSnypah wrote: Uh... You can easily get 4.4ghz with a 4670k is this 5% more performance is more like 35%... 285/220 = 1.295 4.4Ghz / 3.2Ghz = 1.375 Therefore it is 'worth it' to spend more to OC. Just some nitpicking, but people are always forgetting the Turbo Boost multipliers. The correct calculation is with 3.6, 3.5 and 3.4 GHz, so it's 22% to 29% compared to 4.4 GHz and the price would turn out fair. + Show Spoiler + The turbo multipliers are always used on a desktop PC as the CPU should never run into the power limit or temperature limit. The i5-4570 runs like this: 1 active core: 3.6 GHz 2 active cores: 3.6 GHz 3 active cores: 3.5 GHz 4 active cores: 3.4 GHz I have no idea why Intel sells it as a 3.2 GHz CPU, but it will always run at least at 3.4 GHz. When comparing i5-4670k overclocked and not overclocked, that CPU is also never running at the 3.4 GHz it is sold as. i5-4670 and i5-4670k default turbo speeds: 1 active core: 3.8 GHz 2 active cores: 3.8 GHz 3 active cores: 3.7 GHz 4 active cores: 3.6 GHz This post has a table of all the multipliers: http://www.techpowerup.com/184844/intel-unleashes-4th-generation-core-processor-family.html | ||
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Tukmol1984
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+ Show Spoiler + CPU: Intel Core i7 4770K Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Formula ATX LGA1150 Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory SSD: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB GPU: Asus GeForce GTX 780 OC 3GB Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 PSU: Seasonic 750W 80 Plus Gold CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 What is your budget? - Around 1,500-2,000 USD. What is your monitor's native resolution? - 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? - Starcraft 2, Battlefield 4, Crysis 3, Dead Island Riptide in High/Ultra settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? - Occasionally streaming, Gaming while on video skype (dual-monitor setup). Do you intend to overclock? - Yes. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? - No. Do you need an operating system? - No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? - No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. - None. What country will you be buying your parts in? - USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. - None. Is the memory a little bit of overkill or should i go with lower capacity and frequency? With this kind of setup, specially that i will be doing some overclocking, is it better to go with liquid cooling or air cooling? I read in some forums that some motherboards needs their BIOS updated in order for the gtx 780 to work. I'm wondering if that would be the case for the board i chose as i am not familiar with flashing the BIOS. If you have suggestions, please do. Thank you very much. | ||
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Skirmjan
Italy190 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + CPU Intel Core i5 4670K (already owned,exchanged between friends) 190€ MB LGA 1150 ASRock H87 Pro4 (ATX) 83€ RAM DDR3 1600Mhz 8GB CL11 Corsair XMS k 2x4Gb XMS (CMX8GX3M2A1600C11) 66€ HDD 1000GB WD WD1002FAEX 7200rpm 64MB Caviar Black SATA3 - 6 Gb/s (WD1002FAEX) 85€ GPU ATI Radeon Sapphire HD 7950 (11196-19-20G) 205€ PSU 500W LC-Power LC9550 V2.3 2x12V, 12cm,80+Gold, Haswellf. LC9550 V2.3 68€ CPU Cooler:Intel Stock. CASE undecided as of yet, models considered:+ Show Spoiler + Corsair Carbide200R,300R,Aeorocool Strike One Advance,Cooler Master Elite 370 Although if i was buying it for myself, i'd go for a Carbide and that's what's probably gonna happen anyway (unless you guys have particularly nice things to say about other ones) Total: 697€+Case+cheap DVD reader Disclaimer: I know that pairing a K unlocked CPU with an H87 motherboard is heresy, but given that there was already an unused 4670K in my friends group, and considered the unwillingness to overclock it, we decided to save the money necessary for a Z87 (at least €40+) I'm especially interested to hear your opinion about the Radeon HD7950 which i found cheaper than i was expecting, did i miss something? it's only like 30€ more expensive than a 7870, at least here. An XFX ProSeries 450W Core Edition PSU for ≈48€ was also considered, but there is concern that it might not handle the HD7950 as AMD recommends 500W+ in its product page, although tom's hardware benchmark places it's peak usage in the 160W range What is your budget? ≈800, but quality/price is king here. What is your monitor's native resolution? - 1720x1080 (according to him) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? - Total War:Rome 2, and a plethora of others, at highest settings possible What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? -Mostly just that. Do you intend to overclock? -Absolutely not. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? - No. Do you need an operating system? - No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? - No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. - None. What country will you be buying your parts in? - Italy If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. - Amazon, although most of the prices listed are from a local retailer that is actually somewhat more competitive than Amazon. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On August 30 2013 07:14 Skirmjan wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hello, i'm building a computer for a friend, please criticize it: + Show Spoiler + CPU Intel Core i5 4670K (already owned,exchanged between friends) 190€ MB LGA 1150 ASRock H87 Pro4 (ATX) 83€ RAM DDR3 1600Mhz 8GB CL11 Corsair XMS k 2x4Gb XMS (CMX8GX3M2A1600C11) 66€ HDD 1000GB WD WD1002FAEX 7200rpm 64MB Caviar Black SATA3 - 6 Gb/s (WD1002FAEX) 85€ GPU ATI Radeon Sapphire HD 7950 (11196-19-20G) 205€ PSU 500W LC-Power LC9550 V2.3 2x12V, 12cm,80+Gold, Haswellf. LC9550 V2.3 68€ CPU Cooler:Intel Stock. CASE undecided as of yet, models considered:+ Show Spoiler + Corsair Carbide200R,300R,Aeorocool Strike One Advance,Cooler Master Elite 370 Although if i was buying it for myself, i'd go for a Carbide and that's what's probably gonna happen anyway (unless you guys have particularly nice things to say about other ones) Total: 697€+Case+cheap DVD reader Disclaimer: I know that pairing a K unlocked CPU with an H87 motherboard is heresy, but given that there was already an unused 4670K in my friends group, and considered the unwillingness to overclock it, we decided to save the money necessary for a Z87 (at least €40+) I'm especially interested to hear your opinion about the Radeon HD7950 which i found cheaper than i was expecting, did i miss something? it's only like 30€ more expensive than a 7870, at least here. An XFX ProSeries 450W Core Edition PSU for ≈48€ was also considered, but there is concern that it might not handle the HD7950 as AMD recommends 500W+ in its product page, although tom's hardware benchmark places it's peak usage in the 160W range What is your budget? ≈800, but quality/price is king here. What is your monitor's native resolution? - 1720x1080 (according to him) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? - Total War:Rome 2, and a plethora of others, at highest settings possible What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? -Mostly just that. Do you intend to overclock? -Absolutely not. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? - No. Do you need an operating system? - No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? - No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. - None. What country will you be buying your parts in? - Italy If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. - Amazon, although most of the prices listed are from a local retailer that is actually somewhat more competitive than Amazon. Manufacturer recommendations are conservative to account for the wide range of configurations and quality of power supplies. A quality 450w like the XFX Core Edition 450 unit will have no issues with your configuration. Though keep in mind that the XFX Core Edition 450 also only has one PCIe connector and the Radeon HD7950 requires two so you will be required to use an adapter. This is also another reason why manufacturers suggest 500w power supplies. PSU > HDD in terms of importance. The LC Power you have there isn't good. If you're spending money on a Black drive presumably for its warranty then it only makes sense to have a good power supply as well like a Seasonic G 450 or Superflower Golden Green 450 (yes these do have two PCIe connectors for the 7950 so you don't need an adapter). Get 1600MHz cas9 (faster and the standard) rather than 1600MHz cas11. AMD has dropped pricing on their Radeon HD7900 series recently so that pricing is quite normal. | ||
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