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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
I currently have Mobo: Gigabyte Z87X-D3H, ATX CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K Box, LGA1150 RAM: 8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-17066U CL11 PSU: Seasonic M12II-520, 520 Watt, 80PLUS Bronze and an old Nvidia card from 3 or 4 years ago. Still runs the few games I throw at it decently. I haven't overclocked yet since I didn't need it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
You might want to consider a 970, about a 60-70% upgrade when both 770 and 970 are at easily achieved overclocks. The 780/290 are usable, but they are harder to overclock and require more thought for power usage and airflow, as they use ~50% more power and generate ~50% more heat (or even more, like 65%) for the same level of performance. Because of that though, there is a slight price premium associated with the 970. The Gigabyte G1 is the go-to 970 for overclocking, with the MSI Gaming being close behind and several more cards that are a bit worse, but not really by significant amounts unless you're a benchmarker and would be sad that your GPU did 50mhz less than it could have done. The oculus rift, as far as i know there is a new prototype that does 90hz. I'm not sure of the resolution, but overall from what i have heard, and this is a little bit limited knowledge but i think you would want to overclock the CPU (already having OC CPU and motherboard) and i do not think you will be able to have too much graphical power on a single GPU for it. The 770 would probably bring at least an alright experience though. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
Had a look around, RAM price is insane! For this to work, the only way for me to be able to get it approved (by wife) is to make it economical, and spending $400 on RAM is just not going to cut it. So I've being looking, it seems I can score some ECC DDR2 rams on amazon for reasonable prices (32GB for around $140ish) after prime discounts (i have an account so might as well take advantage of it) Looking at it further, socket 771 (really old chipset) xeons can be had for a bargain, can score a dual socket board (used or new) around $100 hard drives I already have plenty. Anyone gone down this route? I need the build to serve VMs, at least 5 concurrent instances running and maybe as a file server since I have around 10TBs worth of drives stashed around. Biggest risk is getting second hand stuff, I will try to get new mobo and RAM, CPUs are the cheapest and probably the least risky but just won't get the present day performance but I don't really need performance except to handle SQL database transaction and such... | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
People don't generally play with 8 year old server hardware, but if 32GB of ddr3 is $400 over there (it's ~$250 in US) and other stuff is inflated too you're kinda screwed if you're making the same amount of dollars that somebody in the US would make. --- Following up on November's official reveal, AMD shared some new details about its upcoming Carrizo and Carrizo-L APUs at the Consumer Electronics Show this week. Among the new info: AMD has no plans to offer Carrizo as a socketed chip for desktop PCs. From techreport, ouch, only low end steamroller and no excavator at all on desktop | ||
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TerranHwaiting
Korea (North)179 Posts
The Gigabyte G1 is the go-to 970 for overclocking, with the MSI Gaming being close behind and several more cards that are a bit worse, but not really by significant amounts unless you're a benchmarker and would be sad that your GPU did 50mhz less than it could have done. The Gigabyte is way too loud and has no Idle-Fan-Mode. I would go for the MSI (overpriced and out of stock all the time) or the new EVGA Revisions (SSC/FTW+). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
-- Kinda itching to do something like this for myself.. But if Skylake released within the year with 20% performance gains over Haswell, i'd probably be a little sad. Maybe. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor (£293.94 @ Aria PC) CPU Cooler: Thermalright SILVER ARROW IB-E 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased For £0.00) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£155.94 @ Aria PC) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£192.70 @ Amazon UK) Case Fan: Thermalright TY-143 130.0 CFM 140mm Fan (£6.95 @ Scan.co.uk) Case Fan: Thermalright TY-143 130.0 CFM 140mm Fan (£6.95 @ Scan.co.uk) Case Fan: Thermalright TY-143 130.0 CFM 140mm Fan (£6.95 @ Scan.co.uk) Total: £663.43 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 15:03 GMT+0000 + Show Spoiler + selling 4770k+z87x-ud3h+good ddr3 2x4GB would get back half of the cost I hate having actual money | ||
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toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
no os, no monitor. no budget limit but dont wanna waste money. thank you | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
On January 13 2015 01:01 toriak wrote: what pc would you recommend to buy for playing SC BW ? no os, no monitor. no budget limit but dont wanna waste money. thank you Pretty much any basic parts should work, as far as i know random example in USD (disclaimer: plz don't buy these parts) PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($53.98 @ NCIX US) (or amd apu equivalent) Motherboard: MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz) ( /amd board) Memory: Corsair 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($24.97 @ Directron) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($28.49 @ Amazon) Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Power Supply: EVGA 400W ATX Power Supply ($14.99 @ NCIX US) Total: $198.40 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-12 13:37 EST-0500 | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On January 12 2015 18:36 Cyro wrote: edit: Australia, nvm. Damn your prices suck. People don't generally play with 8 year old server hardware, but if 32GB of ddr3 is $400 over there (it's ~$250 in US) and other stuff is inflated too you're kinda screwed if you're making the same amount of dollars that somebody in the US would make. --- From techreport, ouch, only low end steamroller and no excavator at all on desktop It's about $90 AUD for a 8GB ddr3 stick (cheapest) that's about $77 USD approximately in today's exchange rate. I can get some stuffed shipped from Amazon or newegg. Don't have to source it local... but generally speaking the locals pricing are on parity after you factor in exchange rate and shipping. The reason why I'm considering old sockets is because you can get some second hand quad core xeons for like $40, and you can get dual socket boards for like $100. much more scalable for what I'm doing. I need cores and RAM, quantity rather than quality. I don't need performance as long as they can run apps fine. AMD would work as well... just trying to figure out if it actually make sense to go down this route... I guess this is not a normal desktop build, thanks for all the help. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
On January 13 2015 08:01 haduken wrote: It's about $90 AUD for a 8GB ddr3 stick (cheapest) that's about $77 USD approximately in today's exchange rate. I can get some stuffed shipped from Amazon or newegg. Don't have to source it local... but generally speaking the locals pricing are on parity after you factor in exchange rate and shipping. The reason why I'm considering old sockets is because you can get some second hand quad core xeons for like $40, and you can get dual socket boards for like $100. much more scalable for what I'm doing. I need cores and RAM, quantity rather than quality. I don't need performance as long as they can run apps fine. AMD would work as well... just trying to figure out if it actually make sense to go down this route... I guess this is not a normal desktop build, thanks for all the help. There shouldn't be much difference between 2 fast cores and 4 slow ones, i'm not sure what clocks those xeons were at or the extent of performance improvements exactly between core 2 and haswell though. I saw something about the "quad core" xeons maybe not being supported running in dual configuration with a 2 socket motherboard, because back in those days they didn't have a quad core die, they just put two dual core dies on the same package. Two of them could work together, but not four(?) gotta confirm if yes or no. If you can run 8 core on 1 motherboard i would consider it. If only four in total.. it'd be a kinda weak system | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/ Broadwell will launch with the 100-series chipset (which will use ddr4 and socket 1151) but will also work with z97 using ddr3 on 1150. Do we even know if broadwell has ddr4 compatible IMC? | ||
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Wangsta
United States776 Posts
Literally all I play is D3 and USF4. Maybe WoW in the near future. I would like to be able to run maxed ultra 1080p at 60fps. I mean really, rock solid, never below 60fps even with 4 players spamming every possible skill on a dense map. Currently running i5 3570k, OC hd6950, 8gb ram, 128 ssd. With this setup, it's usually 60fps, but drops to as low as 10-20fps in busy games. Is it possible to build a computer that will run rock solid 60fps at 1080p online? Budget is unlimited within reason (please no million dollar IBM watson build) but I want to know what kind of investment this would require, or if it's even possible with consumer parts | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Honestly don't know if diablo 3 would be GPU limited in that scenario with a 6950. Can't easily find diablo 3 benchmarks, aside from some stuff that says to expect 100+fps always with hardware like that, that's obviously not tested during heavy combat. Easiest way for you to check is just to look at GPU utilization during that kind of play, to see if it's near 100% or dipping/staying far below. That other game looked really easy to run well from a glance. is your 3570k OC'd? (bit of a silly question but a surprising amount of people buy unlocked CPU's and don't overclock) WoW will be CPU limited wherever it matters; i run around with 120fps and 40% GPU load all of the time, and GPU load is lower during low FPS times (when 200 players are on screen); WoW also strongly prefers Nvidia drivers though when CPU limited (which again is pretty much all of the time) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lzBAzKV.png) 84 vs 51; a ~64.7% advantage in min FPS and 46% advantage on average for 970 over 290 (which are very similarly performing gpu's) for example. Aaaand yes, that does mean ~20 vs ~33fps when there is a huge amount of stuff on screen | ||
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Craton
United States17288 Posts
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Wangsta
United States776 Posts
@Craton, I go down to 10-20fps when there is a lot of stuff going on. DH sentries and a few other classes (i.e. bellwuko monks and SMK docs) cause crazy lag for me in 4 player games. | ||
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
On January 15 2015 09:49 Wangsta wrote: @Craton, I go down to 10-20fps when there is a lot of stuff going on. DH sentries and a few other classes (i.e. bellwuko monks and SMK docs) cause crazy lag for me in 4 player games. As far as i know this happens to a lot of people and is more a case of bad programming. Some people suggest lowering the number of sound channels. If you have crazy high AA/AF you might want to lower that too. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20333 Posts
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z0rz
United States350 Posts
On January 17 2015 05:24 BaBaUTZ wrote: As far as i know this happens to a lot of people and is more a case of bad programming. Some people suggest lowering the number of sound channels. If you have crazy high AA/AF you might want to lower that too. Yeah, I was going to mention this. Blizzard is notorious for making games that can run on a potato on low settings but impossible to maintain high frames on a super computer at max settings. It's not like a stock 3570k is a bad CPU and a 6950 should be more than enough for D3. Upgrading/overclocking will always help, but you'll probably go from 10fps to 20fps in worst case scenarios. I don't think there's anything you can really do since it's likely just poor design/programming (aside from lowering the problematic setting(s)). [For the record, I remember experiencing massive slowdowns in D3 when I played a few months back on a 4.5GHz 2600k and a 7990] | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
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