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On October 10 2014 09:49 Cyro wrote:100-200mhz on CPU won't make much of a performance difference (4690+h97, maybe b85 vs 4670/4570 on h81) so i think i would mostly consider the cheaper h81 option if you didn't want to upgrade past 8GB of RAM or need anything else missing from a h81 matx mobo. I can't comment much individually on the motherboards at low price points but i imagine that either of those h97's would work with a 4690 without major issues. Probably. Motherboard is one of the more annoying choices on a budget, IMO. It's not very meaningful and there's a lot of stupid stuff that you kinda have to check
First of all, thanks so much for your input and help here.
I ordered some parts last night and got them today already. I am now writing this with my new built PC.
I decided to buy a
ASRock H97 Pro4
Intel i5 4690
Crucial MX100 256 SSD
8GB Crucial RAM
A new tower (Cooltek) and PSU (bequiet 530)
Works fine and I had no problems connecting everything.
I would have payed ~4€ less with a 4670 + H81 so it wasn't worth it imo.
Thanks again guys, You are doing a great job in this thread 
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Nice :D
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Make sure you remember to install windows 7 service pack 1. It enables avx/avx2 instructions and can affect real world performance especially on Haswell CPU's (but everyone has kinda needed it since 2011 intel/AMD releases, many don't actually have it)
if you want, you can load test CPU with this~
+ Show Spoiler +https://mega.co.nz/#!3tAGnAqZ!QbCz2r1fG0WjM8DgGYeExngGypaHftAzPUgTSn2kAdk Download, extract to a folder - then there are a few batch files called something like "64bit -log" or "64 bit +log" just run whatever you want with or without log recorded. You can see all of the information without the log, it's just automatically saved for later if you enable logging. You can use low, normal, high priority etc, for testing performance it's better to close all programs, restart PC even and then use High. For testing stability and temperatures, it doesn't matter much what you use. 8 threads is appropriate to use when asked, for a quad core i5. Load temperatures should peak below 80c or so after 2-3 loops, performance should be somewhere around 3fps (i forgot exactly..) - before you run, download hwinfo at www.hwinfo.com and you can use that to see pretty much everything relating to CPU like those temperatures, core clock speeds etc (should be around 3700mhz at 4-core load)
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Just installed a EVGA supernova 750W gold, SSD and my old GTX670 in my moms computer. I can't count how many times I cursed at the shit when changing PSU etc.. Pressurized air on a can to clean inside also makes you pretty damn dusty afterwards lol..
Frustrating to work on computers when it's not your own. ><
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I clean dust on the balcony to avoid that issue. Porch works too.
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On October 12 2014 08:26 Craton wrote:
I clean dust on the balcony to avoid that issue. Porch works too.
Ya of course, I didn't do the canned air in-doors it was done on the balcony. It was still a minor dust cloud though.
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I recommend using a vacuum while dusting.
yes, don't use the vacuum directly - just for keeping the dust leaving the computer under control
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You really ought not to use a vacuum given the potential for damage.
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Helping a friend put together a computer. I need some help picking out parts.
Budget
Up to $1500 total but probably more like $1200. I am thinking ~$900 for the computer and then the rest for a monitor.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Monitor as mentioned above.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
No monitor yet. 23" or 27". He doesn't play games competitively nor does photo editing so I'm not sure what he needs.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
He'll play whatever AAA titles come out most likely. Doubt he cares about anti-aliasing but looking at high settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Word processing and movie watching.
Do you intend to overclock?
I can overclock it before handing it off to him. I understand how to do it generally but I haven't done it before.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
I plan to get him a Win 8 key.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Any online retailer is fine. I'm familiar with NCIX, Memoryexpress, and Newegg.
As for storage, Crucial MX100 256GB and a 1.5 or 2TB mechanical drive would suffice.
Also, unless we need a big case for the videocard or aftermarket CPU cooler for overclocking, I really like the Corsair 350D mATX.
You guys are awesome; Thanks for any help! I'll post in the TL Monitor Thread if you guys don't want to worry about that part of it.
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PC build was put on hold due to lack of funds until early 2015 when ill revisit the spec to refresh it
For now, got myself a 256GB tsam tsung 840 EVO to improve this piece of shit of a laptop the easiest way
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I probably should have paid attention or noticed this before I ordered it, but I have a question about the Memory I ordered a few days back. This is the memory that I bought:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231518
It seemed pretty good, but now I'm noticing that it has a voltage of 1.65V, rather than 1.5V. Should I be concerned? According to PCPartsPicker:
The G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory operating voltage of 1.65V exceeds the Intel Haswell Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
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On October 13 2014 10:18 Sentenal wrote:I probably should have paid attention or noticed this before I ordered it, but I have a question about the Memory I ordered a few days back. This is the memory that I bought: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231518It seemed pretty good, but now I'm noticing that it has a voltage of 1.65V, rather than 1.5V. Should I be concerned? According to PCPartsPicker: Show nested quote +The G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory operating voltage of 1.65V exceeds the Intel Haswell Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
Running memory at 1.65v is fine, nothing to be concerned about.
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I think there was one of the first generation core i5/i7 that had the memory controller on the CPU which didn't like voltages higher than 1.5V but that should be taken care of already.
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1.5v +/- 5% (?) is the recommended memory voltage for all Intel's mainstream processors released in the last three years but ya, Intel is super conservative with everything and people have been running 1.65v for years without issue. Plus all the good kits are 1.65v anyways.
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Alright, to build, to upgrade, to wait till later down the road? Current computer plays everything I want to play now. With games like Star Citizen down the road am I going to need to do something? If I do a new build I don't even know what I'd do with my current computer, but she's still a trusty rig. Regardless a new HDD is in order since this one can make some sketchy ass noises lol. Components wouldn't be bought till around Christmas, presents come first, but if something is mega stupid cheap on Black Friday/Cyber Monday I might pull the trigger for a part or 2. If a full blown rebuild is in order I'll probably have to get a new cheap case to transfer the old components into and give it so someone, I dunno. Any help appreciated, thanks!
What is your current build?
CPU: i5-750 OCed @ 3.7ghz
Cooling: h50 liquid cooler
Mobo: Gigabyte P55A-UD3
RAM: 8GB DDR3 (no idea the speed)
GFX: EVGA GTX 570 2.5GB
PSU: Think its 1000w, bought it off a friend forever ago
Case: CM Storm Stryker
Storage: Intel x25-m 120GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (sounds like it's not long for this earth)
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Good question lol. It runs everything I need it to run now, might not max every game out but it does an admirable job generally. It's a few years old, some components are older was just entertaining the idea. Though I don't want to waste money if its not warranted.
What is your budget?
A few hundred.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
Newegg, Microcenter in my area, Amazon Prime for shipping available, any reputable retailer is fine though.
If upgrading isn't worth it see spoiler below for rebuild questions.
+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
1200-1300
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 dual monitors 23"
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
DotA 2, Arma 3 Mods, Random steam games, MMOs (if any that don't suck ever come out). Highest possible I guess but I'm not a graphics whore.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Just basic stuff. Watching streams and videos, surfing the net, POSSIBLY streaming but like a 15% chance that ever happens at best
Do you intend to overclock?
Absolutely
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Maybe down the road once the GPU isn't hacking it.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, windows 7 preferred
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
New mouse and hard mouse pad (RGB LEDs a plus)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Nvidia, EVGA preferred. At least name brand non sketch memory and PSU
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Newegg, Microcenter in my area, Amazon Prime for shipping available, any reputable retailer is fine though.
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On October 13 2014 22:49 OuchyDathurts wrote:Alright, to build, to upgrade, to wait till later down the road? Current computer plays everything I want to play now. With games like Star Citizen down the road am I going to need to do something? If I do a new build I don't even know what I'd do with my current computer, but she's still a trusty rig. Regardless a new HDD is in order since this one can make some sketchy ass noises lol. Components wouldn't be bought till around Christmas, presents come first, but if something is mega stupid cheap on Black Friday/Cyber Monday I might pull the trigger for a part or 2. If a full blown rebuild is in order I'll probably have to get a new cheap case to transfer the old components into and give it so someone, I dunno. Any help appreciated, thanks! What is your current build?CPU: i5-750 OCed @ 3.7ghz Cooling: h50 liquid cooler Mobo: Gigabyte P55A-UD3 RAM: 8GB DDR3 (no idea the speed) GFX: EVGA GTX 570 2.5GB PSU: Think its 1000w, bought it off a friend forever ago Case: CM Storm Stryker Storage: Intel x25-m 120GB SSD Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (sounds like it's not long for this earth) What is your monitor's native resolution?1920x1080 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?Good question lol. It runs everything I need it to run now, might not max every game out but it does an admirable job generally. It's a few years old, some components are older was just entertaining the idea. Though I don't want to waste money if its not warranted. What is your budget?A few hundred. What country will you be buying your parts in?USA If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.Newegg, Microcenter in my area, Amazon Prime for shipping available, any reputable retailer is fine though. If upgrading isn't worth it see spoiler below for rebuild questions. + Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
1200-1300
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 dual monitors 23"
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
DotA 2, Arma 3 Mods, Random steam games, MMOs (if any that don't suck ever come out). Highest possible I guess but I'm not a graphics whore.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Just basic stuff. Watching streams and videos, surfing the net, POSSIBLY streaming but like a 15% chance that ever happens at best
Do you intend to overclock?
Absolutely
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Maybe down the road once the GPU isn't hacking it.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, windows 7 preferred
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
New mouse and hard mouse pad (RGB LEDs a plus)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Nvidia, EVGA preferred. At least name brand non sketch memory and PSU
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Newegg, Microcenter in my area, Amazon Prime for shipping available, any reputable retailer is fine though.
You might be happy with just a 970 instead of your 570, maybe new CPU/mobo (for Haswell) or new CPU/mobo/RAM in the future (for Skylake)
http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1350?vs=1351
Upgrading is definitely worth it, even if you did a brand new build and replaced most of the performance important stuff you'd keep the case, probably the PSU, the RAM (unless you waited for ddr4 skylake in ~1-1.5 years), the SSD (even if you got a new one of higher speed and potentially capacity), maybe the HDD, maybe the h50 (though they're not actually very good) etc
also to note, if you don't have current GPU overclocked, there is a pretty much free ~15% performance increase from tweaking a 970/980 because stock clocks are relatively low for Maxwell, out of the box, the factory OC'd models run about 1300mhz but it's common for them to do around 1500 on stock voltage with some hitting 1600 on 1.25v (but usually mid 1500's) - and the performance scales pretty linearly with core clock speeds for them, which is nice (that's not always the case for GPU's)
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Does SSD vs traditional HD have any impact in streaming performance? Like fps and such, not software load speed.
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Nope, stream performance is a mixture of CPU (to encode while also playing games/maintaining target in-game FPS), GPU (to maintain target in-game FPS and eye candy), and internet upload speed/reliability.
Your hard drive only comes into play when you choose to save a hard copy of your stream, but since Twitch livestreams shouldn't be exceeding 3500kbps, even a flash drive could handle that amount of data haha
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On October 14 2014 04:03 z0rz wrote:
Nope, stream performance is a mixture of CPU (to encode while also playing games), GPU (to maintain target in-game FPS and eye candy), and internet upload speed/reliability.
Your hard drive only comes into play when you choose to save a hard copy of your stream, but since Twitch livestreams shouldn't be exceeding 3500kbps, even a flash drive could handle that amount of data haha
CPU to maintain target ingame FPS too
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Yeah, that's what I was alluding to when I said "while also playing games" but I could have been more clear.
RAM can also have an impact, but I don't think it's really worth diving into 
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