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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
Getting This score in 3Dmark (using the demo though) which I feel is kind of decent to be honest. Have purchased Shadow of Mordor because it looks like a game I'll enjoy and to tweak around with the settings, see if I can get it maxed at 100FPS and with which settings. Game is I think expected to atleast hit 90FPS on high, but not exactly sure, we'll have to see!... Damn game is 35GB to download though! | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/BvfyLk I own a Radeon HD7850 and want to keep it. Also I want to keep my power supply. I am not sure if I am going to buy a new case or not. I'm not intending to OC atm but may do so later, that's why I picked the 4690k over the 4690. What do you think about the build? Does everything fit together and does it make sense? I use my PC mostly for games like SCII, Diablo III, Office stuff and audio recording with cubase. (I use an external sound card so I don't need one in my current build) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
My card is hitting ~78C max. with about ~75% fan usage when I've ran Heaven/Valley a couple of times, which I don't mind. Really? What RPM is that? I'm at ~60c @60% @ 1500/7800 with MSI card. That's equivelant to about my windforce cooler 770 at ~40-45% for noise. 78 is too high, because the sensor doesn't update very often. The GPU clock speed can fluctuate every ~1/100'th of a second, and msi AB etc won't actually check your clock speed that often so you can lose performance invisibly if you're anywhere near 80c - 75c is ok, but 78 isn't really. I have fan set up in a way that makes me never hit 70c, so it won't get close to 80 even in a worst case scenario (that would mean throttling by up to ~200-400mhz depending on how the throttle works) What do you think about the build? Does everything fit together and does it make sense? Paying 100 euros extra for a good air cooler and OC mobo doesn't make much sense if you're not planning to use it right away; for everyone 2 people on my skype contacts with OC'd system, there's another one with like a z87 board and a h100i running stock settings over a year after buying. If you're gonna do that, don't fall into that trap | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On October 08 2014 13:55 Incognoto wrote: @Sentenal, why 16 Gb of RAM? Unless you're doing things that specifically call for having a lot of RAM, a good 2x4 Gb kit should be sufficient. I don't like the CM Evo as a CPU cooler, maybe get something else? I don't like investing so little a CPU cooler when you're investing a nice little sum of money into a nice Z97 board. For $50 this is quite nice (/ way better than the CM evo): http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-BW-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B008YTUN38/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1412743929&sr=8-3&keywords=thermalright E: Oh and 200R for $60 is less good that Fractal's Core 3500W for $70. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LFVQNB8/?tag=pcpapi-20 You have 3 140mm case fans included instead of 2 120mm fans. You have more clearance for tall CPU coolers as well. You get a window as well (if that floats your boat). More importantly, the case is a bit wider so it makes things like cable management easier. Basically for $10 more you get a better case and an extra fan. I guess I've just been under the idea that more RAM is better? Do games and programs not make much more use out of more than 8GB of memory? If they don't, I guess that saves me some money. And thanks for the input on the CPU cooler and Case. I've modified the build to this now: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yJHGdC | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
I guess I've just been under the idea that more RAM is better? Adding RAM doesn't help unless you were running out of it in the first place. It's harder to use 4GB these days so most use 8GB Use 2x4GB, you need to use dual channel (2x as high memory bandwidth) also use ~1600mhz@c9 minimum, but there's often RAM around ~2133c9-10 or ~2400c10-11 for hardly any price difference. It's worth it on Haswell if it's not a significant price increase http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231518 for example is $2 more at the time of posting ($75 shipped) - pcpartpicker doesn't show any 2133mhz+ RAM on amazon unless i clicked something wrong ----- Alex Amancio, the game's Creative Director, reiterated this point: "30 was our goal, it feels more cinematic. 60 is really good for a shooter, action adventure not so much. It actually feels better for people when it's at that 30fps. "It's like when people start asking about resolution. Is it the number of the quality of the pixels that you want? If the game looks gorgeous, who cares about the number?" So I think collectively in the video game industry we're dropping that standard because it's hard to achieve, it's twice as hard as 30fps, and its not really that great in terms of rendering quality of the picture and the image. I can understand bad performance, but i can't really understand simultaneously throwing away graphical quality AND performance. You should be able to pick at least one or the other.. I've ran everything at 1080p60 (~2.88x as many pixels) since ~2007 with hardware nowhere close to that level of power. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On October 09 2014 04:30 Cyro wrote: Paying 100 euros extra for a good air cooler and OC mobo doesn't make much sense if you're not planning to use it right away; for everyone 2 people on my skype contacts with OC'd system, there's another one with like a z87 board and a h100i running stock settings over a year after buying. If you're gonna do that, don't fall into that trap Thank you for your fast reply  Would you rather recommend an older mobo with the H87 chip along with the i5 4690 ? That and a cheaper cooler and RAM would make the build ~ 50€ less. Would you recommend the older H87 mobo over the 97 in general? So is the new chip not worth the extra $ ?. For the H87 I thought about this one: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/MSI-H87-G41-PC-Mate-Intel-H87-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_948933.html with the i5 4690 and the http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-Hyper-TX3-Evo-Tower-Kuehler_774566.html + 2x4GB RAM 1600 What do you think about this build? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
You do know that the boxed retail-package CPUs come with heatsink/fans already, right? If you get a Hyper TX3, it would only be to use in place of the thing you're already getting to improve cooling or reduce fan noise somewhat. Actually, mindfactory does sell the chip-only package without the cooler, so you could save a few euros getting that and an aftermarket cooler if you wanted that aftermarket cooler anyway. Also, Samsung SSDs have a known bug (reducing performance) that's probably being fixed very soon with a firmware update. And note that a similar Crucial MX100 is cheaper anyway: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/256GB-Crucial-MX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT256MX100SSD1-_964957.html But yes, this is a pretty basic upgrade. Makes sense. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 09 2014 07:24 Cyro wrote: I can understand bad performance, but i can't really understand simultaneously throwing away graphical quality AND performance. You should be able to pick at least one or the other.. I've ran everything at 1080p60 (~2.88x as many pixels) since ~2007 with hardware nowhere close to that level of power. wut.jpg has he never played a PC game? E: For those who might not have seen it in the other thread, Dragon Age Origins is currently free on Origin for 1 week: https://www.origin.com/fr-fr/store/buy/dragon-age-1/pc-download/base-game/standard-edition | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On October 09 2014 11:25 Myrmidon wrote: Some old H87 board stock with old BIOS revisions may not play nice with Haswell refresh processors like i5-4690. You lose 100 MHz but also a possible headache if you just go for the i5-4670 instead. (or go H97) You do know that the boxed retail-package CPUs come with heatsink/fans already, right? If you get a Hyper TX3, it would only be to use in place of the thing you're already getting to improve cooling or reduce fan noise somewhat. Actually, mindfactory does sell the chip-only package without the cooler, so you could save a few euros getting that and an aftermarket cooler if you wanted that aftermarket cooler anyway. Also, Samsung SSDs have a known bug (reducing performance) that's probably being fixed very soon with a firmware update. And note that a similar Crucial MX100 is cheaper anyway: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/256GB-Crucial-MX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT256MX100SSD1-_964957.html But yes, this is a pretty basic upgrade. Makes sense. Thanks for your detailed explanation. I actually didn't know that the i5 boxed comes with a cooler already :/ That's ~20€ less on my build. I heard about the issues with the samsung ssd. I might buy the crucial then. I am still a bit lost choosing the i5 and the mobo. Mindfactory (and other shops) sell the 4690 for less than the 4670. Example: 4670 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/tab/reviews/Intel-Core-i5-4670-4x-3-40GHz-So-1150-BOX_854454.html#reviews 4690 http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4690-4x-3-50GHz-So-1150-BOX_960037.html 4690k http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-4x-3-50GHz-So-1150-BOX_962954.html Is there something I ovelooked? Mobos seem to be available with h97 for ~70-80€, just like the older h87. On October 09 2014 11:28 Cyro wrote: h81/b85 is usable. No need to buy a tx3, you can just use the stock cooler. Those CPU's only use ~60w at full load. Would the h81/b85 be usable with the 4690? Or better in combination with the 4670? I saw some upgrade kits on amazon with a b85 + 4690. Seems like I am a bit lost with the CPU and mobo. Can I ask for maybe 1 or 2 combinations of CPU+mobo you would suggest? (e.g. 1 with the 4670 and 1 with the 4690) You can choose parts from mindfactory. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Putting the record straight, AMD gaming scientist Richard Huddy, pictured right, has confirmed to HEXUS that AMD has made no move in GPU pricing for its band of add-in board (AIB) partners. AMD executives are 'agitated' that such a move has been presumed by the press, he says, and any price alterations are at the behest of the partners, not AMD itself. One partner, XFX, has seen the £250-odd introduction of the GeForce GTX 970 and changed its Radeon R9 290 and R9 290X pricing accordingly, to provide stern competition for Nvidia's latest GPU. Huddy did go on to say that AMD's partners are running promotions in the channel that enable this new pricing, though no details were forthcoming on how exactly this will be rolled out. Huddy went on to say that AMD has no visibility on how long XFX's aggressive pricing, which took effect on the same day as the Maxwell launch, will remain active - it could be weeks or months, depending upon how quickly XFX's reserves are depleted. RIP if 290 goes back to being 10-20% more expensive than 970 Would the h81/b85 be usable with the 4690? Or better in combination with the 4670? I saw some upgrade kits on amazon with a b85 + 4690. I think a few b85's support the 4690. Otherwise you're stuck with 4670, 4570 maybe (for pricing) with h81/b85. Not sure on specific boards to use, h87/h97 is still good but those other ones can be cheaper and maybe missing some features that you might not care about | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On October 10 2014 02:47 Cyro wrote: I think a few b85's support the 4690. Otherwise you're stuck with 4670, 4570 maybe (for pricing) with h81/b85. Not sure on specific boards to use, h87/h97 is still good but those other ones can be cheaper and maybe missing some features that you might not care about I don't care if my build gets ~20-30€ more expensive when I can get a bit more performance, so maybe I should go with a h97. What do you think about the h87 not being optimal for the 4690? Would this combination work fine? http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-H97M-Pro4-Intel-H97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail_961263.html or http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-H97M-Anniversary-Intel-H97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail_971419.html + i5 4690 Or are this Mobos bad at this low price? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 10 2014 08:08 Sentenal wrote: Thanks for all the help you guys offered with my PC build. I think I have one last question, and this one isn't about picking parts. The HDD I have on my current machine is a 750GB SATA HDD. If I wanted to install this drive into my new computer, as a 2nd internal HDD, would I have to reformat it? Or would I just be able to plug it up in the new system without having to wipe everything from it? You just plug the drive in and then assign it a letter in disk management. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On October 10 2014 03:51 Sewi wrote: I don't care if my build gets ~20-30€ more expensive when I can get a bit more performance, so maybe I should go with a h97. What do you think about the h87 not being optimal for the 4690? Would this combination work fine? http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-H97M-Pro4-Intel-H97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail_961263.html or http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-H97M-Anniversary-Intel-H97-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-mATX-Retail_971419.html + i5 4690 Or are this Mobos bad at this low price? 100-200mhz on CPU won't make much of a performance difference (4690+h97, maybe b85 vs 4670/4570 on h81) so i think i would mostly consider the cheaper h81 option if you didn't want to upgrade past 8GB of RAM or need anything else missing from a h81 matx mobo. I can't comment much individually on the motherboards at low price points but i imagine that either of those h97's would work with a 4690 without major issues. Probably. Motherboard is one of the more annoying choices on a budget, IMO. It's not very meaningful and there's a lot of stupid stuff that you kinda have to check | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
i7-4500U cpu (1,8ghz with 3,0ghz turbo) 8gb ram Intel hd 4400 series gpu with up to 1792kb dedicated memory 1920x1020 15,6" screen Windows 8 64bit I'm not even dreaming of playing any new high profile games but using this for studies, internet browsing and playing older games. Even my old one runs sc2 and dota2 sell enough for me but could i use this new one for playing a bit more recent titles, like fable or some other bit less demanding rpg's? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On October 10 2014 16:19 Oukka wrote: I'm pondering on buying a new laptop. My previous one is now 4 years old and starts to feel rather outdated. There is this acer-e1-572 that I set my eyes on but I'd like some comments on whether it's worth that 600€ it costs. i7-4500U cpu (1,8ghz with 3,0ghz turbo) 8gb ram Intel hd 4400 series gpu with up to 1792kb dedicated memory 1920x1020 15,6" screen Windows 8 64bit I'm not even dreaming of playing any new high profile games but using this for studies, internet browsing and playing older games. Even my old one runs sc2 and dota2 sell enough for me but could i use this new one for playing a bit more recent titles, like fable or some other bit less demanding rpg's? 4500U with integrated graphic is extremely low performance. It has only a 15w power budget between both CPU and graphics (shared), so it won't run 3ghz on both cores. Likely scenario when gaming on the integrated graphics is both of your CPU cores at 1.8ghz, and your integrated graphics running around half speed because of power limits. Half speed integrated graphics isn't very good for 1080p, even on lower settings. You can get much better stuff if you don't limit yourself to ultra-low-power parts. Avoid the "U" and get something decently built unless you're looking for a web browsing and light usage machine to carry around 24/7 | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On October 10 2014 19:33 Cyro wrote: 4500U with integrated graphic is extremely low performance. It has only a 15w power budget between both CPU and graphics (shared), so it won't run 3ghz on both cores. Likely scenario when gaming on the integrated graphics is both of your CPU cores at 1.8ghz, and your integrated graphics running around half speed because of power limits. Half speed integrated graphics isn't very good for 1080p, even on lower settings. You can get much better stuff if you don't limit yourself to ultra-low-power parts. Avoid the "U" and get something decently built unless you're looking for a web browsing and light usage machine to carry around 24/7 Ah, thanks! I think I'll probably skip this one then :p | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Thanks Rollin by the way, for the tip that SC2's install folder can be put on a flash drive and be taken around anywhere. Works great. Blizzard has some faults but this is definitely a win from them right there. | ||
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