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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
I don't really expect big maxwell die to be immediately available and affordable, so something more like 580 to 680: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/767?vs=772 as opposed to 580 to 780ti | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/riceagainst/saved/4zoY The GPU is listed as $0.00 because that's what I currently have but plan on upgrading (also for PSU estimate). However, ~$150 doesn't seem quite enough for an upgrade to be worth it (or is it?). PSU-wise, it seems like CX430 would do but I'm leaning towards the CX500M for a possible GPU upgrade, and just to err on the safe side. My main concern is the case. The $45 NZXT 220 seems good, but I'm wondering if the $60 Corsair 200r (or other case in that price range) would be worth it? Also, I plan on buying soon because of the MOBO-discount. The MOBO doesn't seem to have many bad reviews but does anyone have anything to say about it? | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Anecdotal reviews mean nothing about a motherboard. Get the cheaper Asrock H81M-HDS mATX motherboard and a case to match. I would say the Cooler Master N200. $60 for such a meh PSU is pretty asinine especially since modularity doesn't matter et al at these wattage levels (because they don't have a stupid amount of cables that higher wattage units have) unless your case has a window in it. I would say get the Rosewill Capstone 450w for the same price. A much higher quality unit. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Other good budget cases are the Core 1000 (for mATX) and the NZXT 210 (ATX). E: Oh and 450W is sufficient for pretty much any GPU upgrade except for perhaps very high-end cards like the GTX 780, 780 Ti, R9 290, R9 290X, R9 295x2 added to an overclocked 4670k or something. The quality of the unit is more important than the wattage given by manufacturer, a Capstone 450W PSU will give you more power than a CX500M. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I also don't like the HDD mounting system in the Core 1K, I ended up taking it out and shoving the optical drive, the HDD and the SSD into the two 5"25 bays at the top. I then shoved every excess cable from the PSU into the remaining area. It's cramped in there but it works out. There's almost no room behind the motherboard tray for putting cables either though, so the N200 beats it there too. Graphics card wise though you can still fit a 350mm card and have optical drive / HDD / SSD in the Core 1K. If you need more space than that then don't get a Core 1K! front I/O panel for N200 is also better. But yeah going to stop recommending the Core 1k since the N200 has it beat in too many aspects. | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820223103 However, I've heard of people using a PC without an optical drive after they've installed their software (or they just use a USB). Also, I'm wondering about storage, since I need an external to transfer between multiple PCs/Laptop/PS3 etc. Would it be more efficient to get... HDD + External HDD 3.0 HDD + SSD + External HDD (OS on Internal SSD) HDD + External SSD, where I have the OS installed on both the SSD and HDD Assume $200 budget just for storage Also, how do I know that I'm not cheaping out on MOBO? I don't need a Z87 but I'm afraid of buying too cheap an H81/H87 Also, if I wanted to do very light editing, would going from 1600 to 1866 or faster RAM make a difference? Or would I want to go towards 12 or 16 GB RAM? MAJOR EDIT: SURPRISE! My birthday was on Friday and some people decided to help me build (budget wise) this computer as a present. My budget is now $900 (I can go over if needed though). I have decided to include the currently-on-sale Sapphire HD7950. It seems the Capstone 450 will do! I'm still iffy on the case and MOBO though. For the case, I like the front-mesh look with possibly LED fans in the front, i.e. like the Antec Three Hundred or the Corsair 230T. I will still not be overclocking though. Antec 300 (Illusion): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066 Corsair 230T: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139028 EDIT: And the HD7950 just goes Out of Stock on Newegg...any GPU around that price range worth (~$230) buying that'll be a decent upgrade over my 7850? I think TigerDirect has the 7950 but I'd rather everything be from Newegg/Amazon. Otherwise, seems like a good deal though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
However, I've heard of people using a PC without an optical drive after they've installed their software (or they just use a USB). Also, I'm wondering about storage, since I need an external to transfer between multiple PCs/Laptop/PS3 etc. Would it be more efficient to get... HDD + External HDD 3.0 HDD + SSD + External HDD (OS on Internal SSD) HDD + External SSD, where I have the OS installed on both the SSD and HDD Assume $200 budget just for storage I would do Internal SSD + external HDD if possible, though it might be tricky with a smaller SSD - depends on how you'd want to use it. As for optical drives etc - i have not used one in like three years - once you have windows installed, as long as you have another internet connected system (like a laptop) and a usb drive for a few key things wherever you might need it, disc drive is often irrelevant Also, if I wanted to do very light editing, would going from 1600 to 1866 or faster RAM make a difference? Or would I want to go towards 12 or 16 GB RAM? Speed, not at all. If you made a big difference in RAM performance, it might make a dent sometimes, maybe here, maybe not. Capacity, it depends if you need - more won't help unless you would run out without it Affordable, tight 2133/2400 RAM is usually 1.65v, with a few exceptions (that don't necessarily mean better kits) | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
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OneBk
Sweden157 Posts
I want to build a new computer. I have done some basic research and made a list. http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/6721804/2014-05-03 The Ram, motherboard and the harddriv i am kinda confused about and what to get. Any critique/help is welcome. What is your budget? around 2000$ = 15000kr What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920*1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft 2 and like every thing new like the new Dragon age and Witcher 3. In Starcraft every thing on the lowest but in 1920*1080 resulotion. In all other games i want the highest possible settnings around like 60ish fps if it is possible. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Painting in photoshop and edit pictures and loking at movies and stuff. Do you intend to overclock? Idont think so, it sounds kinda hard to do. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Intel and geforce What country will you be buying your parts in? Sweden. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. www.inet.se www.webhallen.se | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
 SC2 would be the only CPU heavy game on your list so it's best to focus on GPU if you want to save some money, I feel. ..Ok I went ahead and made a build for you anyway.  | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
I have a spare gtx460 laying around to save me money. | ||
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KnT
Australia243 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On May 05 2014 08:51 Thalandros wrote: I'll probably suggest a wrong build if I do, but for $2000 you can get a maxed out system easily. And to not overclock with that would be a big waste, it's really easy. It's nothing more than tweaking a couple variables in the BIOS setup. SC2 would be the only CPU heavy game on your list so it's best to focus on GPU if you want to save some money, I feel. ..Ok I went ahead and made a build for you anyway. You kinda need different parts and pricing is all different, considering it's bought from sweden. Converting to USD is really wonky thing to do because the values of parts are completely different cross-continent and also the availability of them On May 05 2014 10:11 KnT wrote: I'm at a stage of starting to watercool my bits, but I'm faced with the question of CPU or GPU first? What do you mean by watercool? Are you buying pump, tubing+fittings, 1 or more rads, + blocks for your stuff, or do you mean some other liquid solution like clc's? What hardware do you have and what are your goals? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On May 05 2014 09:51 matiK23 wrote: Sup planning to build a box STRICTLY for dota 2 for when a guest comes over. How does this look? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3E23w I have a spare gtx460 laying around to save me money. Looks ridiculously cheap, you might want 2x2gb or 2x4gb of RAM. Might also want to check up on what Celeron cuts out.. if they're just lower clocked Pentiums, or if they lose something like i3 dropping to pentium cuts on, IIRC, iGPU and clock speeds, as well as losing AVX, AVX2 and hyperthreading. I thought of suggesting a 120gb SSD instead, but US prices are too high - you might want bigger HDD for way way better price per gigabyte, but if you're not using it, it's worse value even with that. Watch out for the bios update thing too. If sandy bridge boards don't have the bios update to support ivy bridge CPU's, you can't actually boot or do anything to install them as far as i know without having an older gen CPU in the board | ||
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IAmThEnd
United States111 Posts
On May 05 2014 11:25 Cyro wrote: Looks ridiculously cheap, you might want 2x2gb or 2x4gb of RAM. Might also want to check up on what Celeron cuts out.. if they're just lower clocked Pentiums, or if they lose something like i3 dropping to pentium cuts on, IIRC, iGPU and clock speeds, as well as losing AVX, AVX2 and hyperthreading. I thought of suggesting a 120gb SSD instead, but US prices are too high - you might want bigger HDD for way way better price per gigabyte, but if you're not using it, it's worse value even with that. Watch out for the bios update thing too. If sandy bridge boards don't have the bios update to support ivy bridge CPU's, you can't actually boot or do anything to install them as far as i know without having an older gen CPU in the board The mobo can support the ivy bridge after a bios update. Can you elaborate on the part where you say I should check on what celeron cuts out? It's a chip that's inferior to the pentium series such as g2020 I believe, so no hyperthread or igpu (not sure what avx,avx2 is). Would that be a problem? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On May 05 2014 12:06 IAmThEnd wrote: The mobo can support the ivy bridge after a bios update. Can you elaborate on the part where you say I should check on what celeron cuts out? It's a chip that's inferior to the pentium series such as g2020 I believe, so no hyperthread or igpu (not sure what avx,avx2 is). Would that be a problem? The problem is that you can't actually bios update the motherboard using the ivy bridge CPU itself because it's not supported yet, chicken and egg problem. Need to make sure it works, or have someone with a sandy bridge CPU handy. I'm not sure if this is a common problem, or if the boards are shipped out with new bios or what's up there - just seen people stuck with boards that support ivy bridge cpu's (1155 and 2011) but don't have the bios update yet, unable to start system with their CPU or update it without a previous gen CPU Intel's desktop i7's are quad cores with hyperthreading, i5 are quad cores - i3 are dual core with hyperthreading, and pentium is dual core with no hyperthreading, but it also does not support some instruction sets which can vastly affect performance in some cases (like video encoding). I'm just not sure if the jump down from "pentium" to "celeron" branding has anything else disabled on the CPU that's important, that's why i mentioned | ||
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IAmThEnd
United States111 Posts
On May 05 2014 12:18 Cyro wrote: The problem is that you can't actually bios update the motherboard using the ivy bridge CPU itself because it's not supported yet, chicken and egg problem. Need to make sure it works, or have someone with a sandy bridge CPU handy. I'm not sure if this is a common problem, or if the boards are shipped out with new bios or what's up there - just seen people stuck with boards that support ivy bridge cpu's (1155 and 2011) but don't have the bios update yet, unable to start system with their CPU or update it without a previous gen CPU Intel's desktop i7's are quad cores with hyperthreading, i5 are quad cores - i3 are dual core with hyperthreading, and pentium is dual core with no hyperthreading, but it also does not support some instruction sets which can vastly affect performance in some cases (like video encoding). I'm just not sure if the jump down from "pentium" to "celeron" branding has anything else disabled on the CPU that's important, that's why i mentioned My current rig has an i5-2400 so I guess I can go through the hassle of updating the bios with that. I think the downgrade from pentium to celeron won't affect dota 2, as I see a video of someone playing it with the cpu. I should be good going full dumpster with this build. Thanks for the help. | ||
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