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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
May 01 2014 03:13 GMT
#5581
Thanks. Yeah, something like that doesn't bother me, even my laptop is fine. I think it was just what you said earlier, hearing computers of other people who had poor airflow had me concerned. Honestly what I am looking to build, with no overclocking, probably wouldn't produce that much heat in the first place.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 01 2014 18:21 GMT
#5582
I think a very good silent GPU would be the GTX 750 Ti. It's not a very powerful card (as in there are a lot of cards that out-perform it easily) however it consumes very little power which in turn doesn't produce heat and that in turn makes it quite the quiet card. It's also more than enough to max Blizzard games. It's also better to go Nvidia for blizzard games since blizzard games tend to be CPU-bound and Nvidia drivers are CPU friendly as of now. Great little card overall.

So throwing the quietest cooler on an already quiet card should be pretty quiet. Apparently Gigabyte's Windforce is the most silent:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7392/the-geforce-gtx-770-roundup-evga-gigabyte-and-msi-compared/6

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7398/the-geforce-gtx-760-roundup-evga-and-gigabyte-compared/4



So this card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125502
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 18:55:23
May 01 2014 18:42 GMT
#5583
So throwing the quietest cooler on an already quiet card should be pretty quiet. Apparently Gigabyte's Windforce is the most silent:


The windforce cooler (at least 3x fan version) is very nice for running @60% fan, but that keeps my 770 @60c load at 1293/7600mhz. A 750ti would consume like one third of the power - you're honestly looking for far quieter stuff (like the minimum you can set the gpu cooler fans to!) and a couple of like 600-800rpm case fans at that point, super quiet system. It's somewhat of an extreme, because we're suddenly in a situation where you can run a quad core Haswell cpu and a capable (gtx480-tier) GPU with gaming power consumption around 125 watts for the entire system

It's a pretty good point you have, but you overestimate the ability for a 750ti to get more than "very slightly warm" on minimum fan :D

Here's running what seems to be basically a furmark equivalent @1400mhz OC, pic from OCN:
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It's safe to say if you have a 750ti, a decent small case, a ~600rpm fan on any stock haswell cpu and a pair of ~600rpm fans on case (one intake one exhaust) you're pretty much set. That build doesn't have the power of a stronger GPU or overclocked CPU though - it's taking it to somewhat of an extreme with low noise, way further down than i think most people would be bothered by.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 01 2014 18:46 GMT
#5584
You realize those reviews are comparing Windforce 3x while the GTX 750 Ti uses a Windforce 2x. 3x 75mm fans may be better than 2x 90mm or 100mm fans but I doubt that 2x 80mm fans are better than 2x 80-100mm fans.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 01 2014 19:18 GMT
#5585
@cyro I see what you're getting at. yeah it probably is extreme to bump that much performance for silence, just wanted to throw out what I thought would be a pretty quiet system. it's a nice luxury to have imo, silence. but yeah a gtx 760 with a good cooler is easily in this budgets build I would think, no reason not to. then again blizzard games were the goal here. ;p


@skyr: oops at reviews. hmm still though, assuming we're still interested in finding a really friggin' silent card (afaik any gtx 750 is quite quiet), what does that leave us? evga's ACX cooler, msi's twin frozr IV and gigabyte's windforce. i tried finding fan dimensions for these coolers but after 10 minutes of google nothing came up. would the ACX or TFIV be quieter than the windforce, since their fans are bigger?

ie x2 100mm fans will run at a lower rpm to cool a GPU by teh same amount as x2 80mm fans ? which makes sense to me, if you think about it, larger fans also means larger surface area for fins
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 01 2014 19:38 GMT
#5586
EVGA ACX is 90mm and MSI Twin Frozr IV is 100mm, Windforce is 75mm, maybe 80mm?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 19:50:35
May 01 2014 19:46 GMT
#5587
This one was on the Windforce cooler of my GTX 560 Ti: http://odm.coolermaster.com/product.php?pid=33

(freaking 5500 rpm... I hate those fans so much)

EDIT: I'm measuring 75mm diameter but it's sold as 80mm, probably to give the blades room to not hit stuff?
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 01 2014 20:34 GMT
#5588
So, another and probably for a while, last question on the GTX 760/770 issue.. Do people think it's worth the wait? I won't get any of these cards that cheap for months to come because I can't always get it shipped for free towards the Netherlands + Any of the newer GTX cards have ''Watch_Dogs'' included in their Amazon deals, a game I'm very interested in playing. Is the GTX 770 that big of a jump? Because the difference would be around €70,-.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 21:49:15
May 01 2014 21:39 GMT
#5589
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1037

I don't like it because it feels too much to pay for a midrange card. 760 can do that job well and both are clearly destroyed by the gk110 cards (780 is better than 760sli and 780ti is better than 770sli)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 01 2014 22:50 GMT
#5590
i've been reading last page and this page's discussion. I have a dumb question, does a noisy fan = bad for the system? or its just the way it is if i'm using a stock fan? fan gets noisy when i play games and stuff. sorry im ignorant.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
May 01 2014 22:55 GMT
#5591
Noisy fans are mostly just annoying to hear, but they can be a symptom of bad temperatures or bad airflow or some other cooling problem (or just relatively insufficiently cooled parts, like stock coolers on cpu's often get far louder than some aftermarket coolers, as with their small size and heatsink area, it's harder to keep cool)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 01 2014 22:57 GMT
#5592
It's normal for fans to get louder when the computer is put under load, GPU fans are insanely loud at 60%+ but practically dead silent at 40%. If it's constantly loud than it may be because of a bad bearing or dust.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 01 2014 23:03 GMT
#5593
okay thanks but if I were to change the fan, would it be complicated? or its just unscrew -> replace -> screw?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 01 2014 23:07 GMT
#5594
It's just unplug, unscrew, and plug / screw in the new fan.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-01 23:16:03
May 01 2014 23:12 GMT
#5595
^For system fans, it's easy like that. For GPU or CPU coolers, not so much

GPU fans are insanely loud at 60%+ but practically dead silent at 40%


Depends a lot on the cooler itself, the noise ramp up on windforce 3x doesn't even really start til ~60%-100% but an r9 290 reference cooler at 60% is terrible

I'l mention now BTW that nvidia has had a lot of problems with idle power recently. Some of their drivers will just refuse to use idle clocks for me - others will do it if i have one screen @120hz (but not 144hz) but i've not been able to idle properly for >4 months now, my 770 is at 42c idle, and 60c load with the same fan speed and room temp. With lower idle clocks, it's 20c cooler
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 01 2014 23:28 GMT
#5596
Interesting that you say that about idle clocks. I see the same on my old 560Ti. I always thought my issues had to do with my card not being supported quite right any more, perhaps also because it probably can't do nearly as much power saving stuff as the newest cards.

In any case, I couldn't figure out when or why the idle clocks get broken. It seems totally random. I also bet I very often never noticed because the fans are still quiet at 40C for me.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Leonidas1
Profile Joined May 2012
4 Posts
May 02 2014 00:18 GMT
#5597
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Leon1das1/saved/#savedbuild_1071900
this is a build i am putting together.
I was wondering if you had any improvements for me. I am on a ~$900 budget and have to have a new monitor and OS.
Thank you.
:D
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 02 2014 00:38 GMT
#5598
On May 02 2014 06:39 Cyro wrote:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1037

I don't like it because it feels too much to pay for a midrange card. 760 can do that job well and both are clearly destroyed by the gk110 cards (780 is better than 760sli and 780ti is better than 770sli)


I'm not 100% sure what you mean here. You don't like the idea of waiting for a 770 or the fact that the 760 is a midrange card?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1061 Looking at this, is that worth €180,- to you? As I said, it's mainly for my GPU to catch up to my CPU. I want to play games like Watch Dogs on high settings (doesn't NEED to be the most extreme, best) on not only ''shadows'' and ''special effects'' The choice is basically get a 760 now + Watch_Dogs and be done with it (Because the free Watch_Dogs thing will also save me about €40,-), or wait it out and get a new GPU somewhere at the end of this year/beginning of next.
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
May 02 2014 00:50 GMT
#5599
On May 02 2014 09:38 Thalandros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2014 06:39 Cyro wrote:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1037

I don't like it because it feels too much to pay for a midrange card. 760 can do that job well and both are clearly destroyed by the gk110 cards (780 is better than 760sli and 780ti is better than 770sli)


I'm not 100% sure what you mean here. You don't like the idea of waiting for a 770 or the fact that the 760 is a midrange card?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1038?vs=1061 Looking at this, is that worth €180,- to you? As I said, it's mainly for my GPU to catch up to my CPU. I want to play games like Watch Dogs on high settings (doesn't NEED to be the most extreme, best) on not only ''shadows'' and ''special effects'' The choice is basically get a 760 now + Watch_Dogs and be done with it (Because the free Watch_Dogs thing will also save me about €40,-), or wait it out and get a new GPU somewhere at the end of this year/beginning of next.


I don't like paying so much extra from one midrange card to another

It's a tough time to be buying in general atm for gpu's
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 00:57:29
May 02 2014 00:55 GMT
#5600
On May 02 2014 09:18 Leonidas1 wrote:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Leon1das1/saved/#savedbuild_1071900
this is a build i am putting together.
I was wondering if you had any improvements for me. I am on a ~$900 budget and have to have a new monitor and OS.
Thank you.
:D


Yeah,

Core i5-4570 - $193
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=81329&promoid=1308

ADATA 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz - $65
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=93607&promoid=1308

AsRock H81M-DGS - $46 (a casualty of cost-cutting; make sure you don't need PCI slots or more than another PCIe slot, etc.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157483

Seagate Barracuda 1TB - $65
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=65701&promoid=1308

Gigabyte R9 270X - $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125476

Fractal Design Core 1000 - $37
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352032

EVGA 500W - $40, $30 AMIR (a real casualty of cost-cutting; this is substandard but at least shouldn't blow the comp up)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438016

Dell P2314H - $160 after promo code
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260148

Windows 8.1 64-bit OEM - $90
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=91219&promoid=1308

That should about hit $900 and get you stuff where it counts. You can always upgrade a graphics card later. edit: more or less, don't buy ~$100 monitors, and I'd recommend spending $20 more to upgrade the power supply to a Rosewill Capstone 450W.
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