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On February 05 2014 09:13 Golgotha wrote:
if you could get GTX 770 in SLI for the same price as one 780 or 780 Ti, which of the 3 would you choose? trying to figure if SLI is worth it and a big enough performance boost. Thanks!
780 Ti over 780 at the same price, of course. Are you going to be gaming with multiple monitors? I think the dual 770s are better if you're not going to upgrade any further for multi-monitor gaming but if you are going to stick with 1 high-res monitor or planning on upgrading, then go with the 780 Ti.
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On February 05 2014 09:13 Golgotha wrote:
if you could get GTX 770 in SLI for the same price as one 780 or 780 Ti, which of the 3 would you choose? trying to figure if SLI is worth it and a big enough performance boost. Thanks!
That depends.
If you're plug and play, take the pair of 770's maybe. If you're not scared of throwing a custom bios on the 780ti, take that. It's single card and powerful enough to rival them or be around the same place, but that requires you to cool it well, to manually set it to decent clocks and to probably bios flash it to raise the power limit.
If you did that.. sli770 wouldn't be much of a performance boost. You'd have a little less core power on the 780ti, but also 50% more memory bandwidth, 50% more VRAM - they could even trade blows depending on application, but 780ti is on a single card without any of the downsides of SLI. 2gb of VRAM >will< be a limit when you're running something equivelant to sli770
If you're not nitpicky about performance either, then i'd probably suggest the single 780ti anyway
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On February 04 2014 22:27 Sophus wrote:
@Cyro Thanks for your quick help.
My build would look like this after your comments:
Intel Core i5 4670K 4x 3.40GHz So.1150 BOX 199 €
Thermalright HR-02 Macho 35 €
Gigabyte Z87X-D3H Intel Z87 So.1150 Dual 92 €
2048MB Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 126 €
2x 4 GB Kingston HyperX BeastDDR3-1600 81 €
530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 65 €
250GB Samsung 840 Evo 137 €
Cheap Case 30 €
DVD-RW 15 €
780 € Total
That would allow me to play SC2 on high settings and simultaneously doing simple tasks on my second monitor without stressing the pc too much?
And just for my understanding: Can someone explain what difference the RAM distribution makes, i.e. 4x4GB, 2x8GB or 1x16GB? Are there huge differences in performance and what does it depend on?
Yea
You want dual channel RAM (two modules in the right slots) because that allows you to write or read from both of them at the same time and doubles bandwidth. Any distribution works as long as you have equal RAM amounts in both channels (or even if not.. but not optimally), but in order of preference, you'd run ~2x2gb, 2x4gb, 2x8gb, 4x8gb for increasing capacity (easiest on the memory controller, also leaves 2 slots open for throwing more RAM in if you want to)
They should perform basically the same and issues are probably unlikely regardless
You should get http://www.hardwareversand.de/2133 Low Voltage/129350/8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3-2133, CL9-11-11-31.article
^cheap 2133c9 kit
or
http://www.hardwareversand.de/2400 Low Voltage/129348/8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3-2400, CL11-13-13-31.article
^2400c11 stock, if you like tweaking and numbers maybe worth getting this one, but either is good
Looks like you have everything abooout right - i'd try to grab a superflower golden green hx450 PSU (should be better and cheaper - about 60 euro) and aside from that, personally really don't like cheap cases*, though if everything fits then it >should< work ok
*+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZWuCgCs.jpg) Beasts like this coming in at £95 on the 14'th of this month (maybe 110 euro? Not sure exactly) so "great" cases should be available for significantly less - and i know from looking that a lot of stuff at the £25-50 range is rather dissapointing
edit: I got RAM from hardwareversand before i remembered that you said that other site, but the other site has worse prices on RAM + worse kits and also does not have these - http://www.hardwareversand.de/400 - 500 Watts/149421/Super Flower Golden Green HX 80Plus Gold Netzteil - 450 Watt.article - so maybe worth ordering from both sites
If you want a stronger GPU (2gb of VRAM etc) then maybe worth going to http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2048MB-Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-660-OC-2xWindforce-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail_812884.html (29 euro more but with assassins creed game too) - it doesn't seem like the best value to get 2gb VRAM 650ti, but the 1gb vram+bad cooler versions at cheaper prices don't look too appealing. The choice of 1gb card vs 2gb 660/270 is mostly down to if you want a card that will do what you want now with sc2, or something with more midrange muscle
Ty for TL+!
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On February 05 2014 10:21 wptlzkwjd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 09:13 Golgotha wrote:
if you could get GTX 770 in SLI for the same price as one 780 or 780 Ti, which of the 3 would you choose? trying to figure if SLI is worth it and a big enough performance boost. Thanks! 780 Ti over 780 at the same price, of course. Are you going to be gaming with multiple monitors? I think the dual 770s are better if you're not going to upgrade any further for multi-monitor gaming but if you are going to stick with 1 high-res monitor or planning on upgrading, then go with the 780 Ti.
when you say multi monitor gaming, does that mean actually playing two different games on two or more screens or simply having extra monitors hooked up so you can web surf, watch movies, etc, while gaming on one screen? sorry, nooby here. because i will only play one game at a time but i will run lots of programs and multitask on one extra screen. streaming as well.
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Multi monitor gaming means 99% of the time, rendering the game at for example 5760x1080 instead of 1920x1080, having extra monitors hooked up with random windows on them isn't really taxing
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That usually means displaying a single game such that the image is spread across multiple monitors. Thus there's a lot of extra work to do graphics calculations all over all those extra pixels.
Running multiple intensive 3D games would have a similar effect in terms of graphics demands.
What you're talking about, having supplementary monitors for other tasks like what most people do, doesn't stress the graphics beyond just having the game itself on one monitor.
But regardless of the answer, I'd rather have the GTX 780 Ti than the two GTX 770s.
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Same here... SLI just sounds like a headache, hunting down drivers and waiting for game patches all the time, then possibly reading around in forums what people suggest how to fix things like "microstutter" and whatnot for every game. The way I understood it to work, it also seems that it will introduce a bit of latency compared to a single card.
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On February 05 2014 11:05 Myrmidon wrote:
That usually means displaying a single game such that the image is spread across multiple monitors. Thus there's a lot of extra work to do graphics calculations all over all those extra pixels.
Running multiple intensive 3D games would have a similar effect in terms of graphics demands.
What you're talking about, having supplementary monitors for other tasks like what most people do, doesn't stress the graphics beyond just having the game itself on one monitor.
But regardless of the answer, I'd rather have the GTX 780 Ti than the two GTX 770s.
thanks guys! really appreciate the advice~
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On February 05 2014 11:11 Ropid wrote:
Same here... SLI just sounds like a headache, hunting down drivers and waiting for game patches all the time, then possibly reading around in forums what people suggest how to fix things like "microstutter" and whatnot for every game. The way I understood it to work, it also seems that it will introduce a bit of latency compared to a single card.
It does, there's also the fact that shadowplay has been broken with SLI for many months now, nvidia is "working on it" but until then, single GPU users have ~0-10% performance hit from recording and SLI is like 20-30% performance hit with stuttering lol
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Honestly you're probably way overestimating the power you need and going to end up wasting a lot of money on unnecessary things.
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If it's not for 120hz or 1440p at high settings, better crank up the supersampling haha
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So I was thinking about upgrading my computer. My pc has a bit of trouble running BF4. It runs fine probably 90% of the time but once in a while the FPS will just tank and it becomes unplayable. Nothing is more frustrating than losing a game from a few seconds of bad FPS drop.
I have heard that the likely cause if from my graphics card being too weak. What would be a suitable replacement card that wouldn't break the bank too badly.
My set up is this currently. i5 2500, Geforce 560 ti, 8 gigs of ram. Monitor is 1920x1080. I'm hoping to spend around $200-$300. Looking to buy in Canada and would like another Geforce card but it's not a must.
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On February 05 2014 12:10 tokicheese wrote:
So I was thinking about upgrading my computer. My pc has a bit of trouble running BF4. It runs fine probably 90% of the time but once in a while the FPS will just tank and it becomes unplayable. Nothing is more frustrating than losing a game from a few seconds of bad FPS drop.
I have heard that the likely cause if from my graphics card being too weak. What would be a suitable replacement card that wouldn't break the bank too badly.
My set up is this currently. i5 2500, Geforce 560 ti, 8 gigs of ram. Monitor is 1920x1080. I'm hoping to spend around $200-$300. Looking to buy in Canada and would like another Geforce card but it's not a must.
Your computer should be okay running BF4, before upgrading I would consider tweaking some in-game settings, dust out your computer, and if those 2 things don't help it may be a latency issue on your end or EAs.
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For bf4, you should be able to open up some graph which will display frametimes and if you are CPU or GPU limited, i agree probably better troubleshooting before blind buying stuff
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I'm looking at this computer
NZXT Source 210 Mid Tower Case
Intel® Core™ i5-4670K Processor (4x 3.40GHz/6MB L3 Cache)
Liquid CPU Cooling System [Intel] - Standard 120mm Fan
8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1866 Memory Module - ADATA XPG V2
AMD Radeon R9 270X 2GB - Single Card
ASUS Z87-K -- 1x PCIE 3.0 x16, 6x SATA-III 6Gb/s, 2x USB 3.0
550W - OCZ Fatal1ty 550W - 80 PLUS Bronze, Modular
120 GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD -- Read: 540MB/s, Write: 410MB/s
500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s
24x Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
Do i need a high power supply? how much would this cost if i were to build it myself? On Ibuypower it costs 961 including shipping and tax.
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Note you can also just get NCIX to assemble for $50.
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On February 05 2014 12:10 tokicheese wrote:
So I was thinking about upgrading my computer. My pc has a bit of trouble running BF4. It runs fine probably 90% of the time but once in a while the FPS will just tank and it becomes unplayable. Nothing is more frustrating than losing a game from a few seconds of bad FPS drop.
I have heard that the likely cause if from my graphics card being too weak. What would be a suitable replacement card that wouldn't break the bank too badly.
My set up is this currently. i5 2500, Geforce 560 ti, 8 gigs of ram. Monitor is 1920x1080. I'm hoping to spend around $200-$300. Looking to buy in Canada and would like another Geforce card but it's not a must.
lol I used to play Delta Force on dial-up. Nothing like shooting someone then suddenly finding yourself stuck in a wall.
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I found this nifty trick for finding windows that have been hidden off screen and you can't get to them. It happened to me and this solved, it so cute:
If it is just hiding off of the screen, use this method to drag it back onto your visible desktop. First, try this...
Open up a folder (Documents, Libraries, whatever) and click elsewhere to lose focus (we're doing this to simulate your missing GUIminer window)
In the taskbar, left-click once on the folder icon so it gains focus
Now, press "ALT-Space" (you will see a menu appear on the folder)
Press "M" to choose the Move option (your cursor will now turn into four arrow points).
Press any of the cursor keys once (this will move your folder on the screen and it will be captured by the mouse)
Move your mouse about and you will see the folder moving with it
Left-Click to "drop" the folder onto your desktop
If you got all that to work properly, and you understand what is going on, try it with your GUIminer icon.
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