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hi, so in the past i have used the following mouse sensitivity settings...i use a 3500 razer deathadder
6/11 desktop sense
69 ingame starcraft 2 sensitivity
3.5 razer driver(version 3.05 driver) sensitivity with 500hz as polling rate and 1800dpi(both being adjusted via the razer driver)
With the 69 ingame sc2 sensitivity and the 6/11 desktop sensitivity i was not playing sc2 with the same sensitivity I was using on my desktop...so I have 2 major goals in mind right now as I try to find a new sensitivity to use
1. make it so my ingame sc2 sensitivity is the same as my desktop sensitivity while changing my ingame sc2 sensitivity as little as possible...in doing so i am looking to uncheck the box that allows me to adjust my sc2 sensitivity and just use my desktop sensitivity as my sc2 ingame sensitivity
2. make it so that this particular sensitivity i have will be easily reached if i were to change computers/change mouses/switch games
with these 2 goals in mind i have some questions id like to have answered if any of you fine people will so mercifully help me with
how does the razer driver's settings factor into my desktop sensitivity?
what is an equation i can use to switch sensitivities and dpis?(without changing polling rate) (while factoring into account my razer driver settings) so that i ultimately get the same overall sensitivity of my mouse(i used the word "sensitvitiy" twice in this sentence with 2 different meanings..but im sure one can figure out the difference through sentence context)
is it a good idea, in order to accomplish goal 2 in particular, to uninstall my razer driver...and if so...what would be its default poll rate and dpi?
and any other questions that would help me accomplish the 2 goals i have.
right now my thought process is that...my old sc2 ingame sense of 69 is inbetween the 2 desktop senses of 7/11 and 8/11...so after i uncheck the box in the sc2 sensitivity settings...there isnt just a compatible desktop sensitivity to take the place of my sc2 sense...and this is because(if i understand correctly)there are 10 different desktop senses and 20 different sc2 ingame senses
so i either get use to sense 7/11 which is a bit slower or get use to sense 8/11 which is a bit faster....or adjust my razer driver settings(whether with the sense/poll rate/dpi) in order to find a sensitivity to mimic the 1 ive been previously using
i am trying to do the 3rd option which is to adjust my razer settings to mimic old sense
i have skimmed through/read these 2 major mouse sensitivity posts and this is where some of my thought process/knowledge/questions come from
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165625
http://www.overclock.net/t/173255/cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide
hopefully this is clear enough for anyone to read...and thanks in advance for any help/info given!!!!!
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As you said, you should uncheck the option to change your sensitivity in sc2. This is specifically to make it differ from your desktop sens. so no point in using that
Just remember what your desktop setting is at (6/11) whenever you use a new machine.
The polling rate is just how often the mouse communicates with the computer. I have razer naga epic and set to 1000mhz but really I can't tell the difference between lower rates. In theory, the higher the rate, the more responsive the mouse feels so set it as high as you can. But does not affect the sensitivity or 'speed' of the mouse
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_Polling_Rate
Secondly, your dpi is how precisely the mouse tries to measure the distance traveled. As with your desktop setting, just remember what this is so you can keep it the same on a new machine. The higher the dpi, the higher your sensitivity. I think my mouse is capable of 5600 dpi but it's only set for 1000 or so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(computing)#Gaming_mice
Side note: You probably want to turn off mouse acceleration or 'Enhance Pointer Precision' as it's now called in windows. With this on, the faster you actually move the device, the more distance will be traveled on screen. So if you slide to the right 1 inch very slowly, will go let's say 100 pixels on screen. But if you slide to the right by 1 inch as fast as you can, it will move 300 pixels.
Just made up the numbers but you get the idea. Can be a very inconsistent feel.
So find a desktop sensitivity that works for you. Find the above numbers and settings to write down or memorize then you should be good to go
[edit] To address your last concern with 7/11 being slow and 8/11 fast. You should pick one and adjust your mouse DPI in small amount until you get the feel you're looking for. So if 7/11 windows sens. and 1800 dpi is a little too slow, bump the dpi up to 2000 and try that for a bit.
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Well razer has that Razer Synapse software that lets you save your mouse and keyboard settings so that you can just load them up on different computers with the same hardware and Synapse installed. That makes things easier if you switch computers a lot.
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ah ic, that software does seem very useful...i also wonder whether if the sensitivity is the same from computer to computer if the resolution is the same as well as the desktop sense being the same or whether there are other factors i didnt account for
and that information is useful as well lilodot, wasnt really sure how polling rates worked...however im still trying to figure out an exact formula/use a program to figure out the dpi/sense switching needed in order to mimic my old sense....hence why im trying to learn more about how exactly the razer sensitivity and windows sensitivity work together to equate to my ultimately sensitivity im using(i know both effects my overall sense seeing how if i change either 1 of them it affects my sense)
i dont want to just start going through different sensitivities till i find a similar one, i want to understand the formulas behind getting my sensitivity to prepare for future changes and concerns
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The simple solution is simply to first set your starcraft sensitivity to the default.
Next change your sc2 resolution to the same as your desktop resolution, or even use full screen windowed mode.
finally adjust the dpi until the sensitivity is the same.
Remember that DPI is distance per inch in pixels and use that and your sc2 sensitivity scaling to calculate the appropriate DPI rounded to the nearest 125 DPI (I believe that razer mouse lets you adjust in increments of 125).
Yes the sensitivity will be the same given the same DPI and resolution unless you some sort of software scaling (ie, sc2 sensitivity or windows sensitivity or acceleration).
If you move a lot just recalculate the sensitivity for the most common resolutions and save those as a different profile or something on your mouse, problem solved.
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On March 19 2013 01:35 lilodot wrote:
This is specifically to make it differ from your desktop sens. so no point in using that
Actually, I use something like 3200 dpi on my desktop (and I have a dual monitor setup), but 1000 dpi in game. It does make sense to want to change your sens in game, but it's better to do it via proper mouse settings software and not via windows "6/11" system.
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Ah I see
Well I'm not sure such a thing exists. I could be wrong though. There's not many factors to be concerned with, just the ones described above.
I suppose screen resolution and refresh rate can have an indirect impact on the feel you get because there's more/less pixels to travel across or the screen image updates faster/slower. So again, just remember or write down these settings to make sure they're the same when you switch machines.
Everything is standardized so switching machines doesn't create a brand new environment that you have to use a formula to mimic settings. A Windows sensitivity of 7/11 is the same on any machine and probably version of windows. And 1800 dpi is the same on any brand of mouse.
You're better off trying to go by memory and info available on an old mouse you used.
Years ago, I used logitech mx518 to play counter-strike and warcraft 3 so if I wanted to copy that feel I'd have to find the DPI that mouse used, set my razer drivers to the same and then just go from memory for the others.
Honestly, I recommend just play with your DPI setting for about 15 minutes or so to find something close and learn that. Will probably save you some time and headache 
But I know how OCD I can be about my settings too so best of luck!
On March 19 2013 02:04 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 01:35 lilodot wrote:
This is specifically to make it differ from your desktop sens. so no point in using that Actually, I use something like 3200 dpi on my desktop (and I have a dual monitor setup), but 1000 dpi in game. It does make sense to want to change your sens in game, but it's better to do it via proper mouse settings software and not via windows "6/11" system.
You're right, I just meant there's no point in using that feature for the OP since he wants them to feel the same, or at least that's how I understood it
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United Kingdom20323 Posts
Drop everything mentioned before this if you are at all confused:
SC2's sensitivity basically just sets the windows mouse sens - it will be 1/11 - 11/11 IIRC and nothing else - you want it either disabled, or at 51-54%, which is the same (because 50 or 55 can be 49.9 or 55.1 and trip over onto the next sensitivity step)
SC2 should be the same resolution as your desktop if you want the same sens.
Always keep your windows sens at 6/11 with enhanced pointer precision off.
Use 1800dpi in driver and use sensitivity (i prefer to use on-the-fly sensitivity - because it moves in exact 0.5 steps) to adjust your sensitivity.
10 sens is a 1.0 multiplier - 5 sens is a 0.5 multiplier - 2 sens is a 0.2 multiplier - so at 1800dpi set, 5 sens would give you an "effective" DPI of 900.
You basically want to use 6/11 - dont use sc2 sense - and use razer sensitivity (or on-the-fly sensitivity - you can set a hotkey for it in driver to use with scroll wheel to adjust it in steps of 0.5 - from 1 to 10 - which is 180 to 1800dpi in steps of 90)
Do this and use it as your new sens, for both desktop and sc2.
500hz polling rate is best (higher is better but 1k is unstable on this mouse and going from 2ms of mouse input lag to 1ms is not feel-able - going from 2ms to 8ms (500hz to 125) can be slightly noticable.
This is info tailored to the 3.5g btw, so it might be better to do it in a different way for a different mouse.
Secondly, your dpi is how precisely the mouse tries to measure the distance traveled.
^In case this causes confusion, it's not the best wording. DPI/CPI (dots/counts per inch) is how many pixels the mouse will move for every inch of movement.
It's a simple case of moving over twice as many pixels if you double DPI - there's nothing more precise about a higher DPI. The highest level of accuracy you can achieve is moving exactly 1 pixel - because there is no unit smaller on the display, and the mouse position is tracked by which row and column of pixels it is currently on - i can achieve a 1 pixel movement at thousands of DPI, but the lower you go, the more accurate and precise you can be.
I'd strongly reccomend around 1k DPI, even if it feels too low, you can adjust grip a little and get used to it - 400-1200 range is by far better than anything else for using a 1920x1080 interface IMO. Since you are using the deathadder 3.5g and setting to 1800dpi native - this equates to 2.5 - 6.5 sens.
The Deathadder 3.5g has onboard memory, so any windows PC at 6/11 mouse sens in control panel with enhanced pointer precision off, which i believe are probably both defaults, will give you exactly the same tracking, sens etc. If the resolution is different, the mouse will appear to move slower or faster depending on pixel density (resolution vs size of the screen) but nothing major.
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alright so yea i have the same sense for my desktop and for my ingame(by unchecking the box of course)
im pretty much 100% sure all my mouse acceleration and other stuff that might be bad is turned off
when u say 10 sens is a 1.0 multiplier - 5 sens is a 0.5 multiplier - 2 sens is a 0.2 multiplier - so at 1800dpi set, 5 sens would give you an "effective" DPI of 900.
it seems like "effective dpi" is your final measurement for sensitivity
so in the past i was at 6/11 desktop...3.5 razer deathadder sense...69 ingame...so what would be my "effective dpi" ingame? im assuming i would ignore the 6/11 but what do i do with the 3.5 and the 69? seeing how its not just 1 sense like the example u gave
and how would i change my razer sensitivity to equal my old sense assuming im looking to keep my dpi/pollingrate the same...and seeing how u suggest 6/11 i guess i should keep that the same too(idk if u suggest 6/11 due to the 1:1 pixel precision thing...i was convinced it had negligible effects)
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http://i.imgur.com/9YgKSlG.png
Call it negligable if you want.
Just use 51-54% ingame if you have ingame sens on, 6/11 - and then take your sens from on-the-fly sensitivity at 1800dpi 500hz. You should be able to find the same sens pretty easily - if 1800dpi 10 sens is not high enough for you, get used to it. You should be using a lot lower if that's the case.
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take your sens from on-the-fly sensitivity at 1800dpi 500hz.
what do u mean by that? sorry kinda slow,,,still dont get how i can figure out how to get my same sense with 6/11 and ingame sc2 sense off...are u saying that 10 sense on razer settings is an approximate for a similar sense?
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Im saying that 1-10 sens in the Razer driver gives you between 180 and 1800 effective DPI when the driver is set to 1800dpi.
If you were using higher than 1800DPI and also >6/11 then your sens was too high in the first place and you should adjust it.
Windows sensitivity is a multiplier - 6/11 is 1.0, 8/11 is 2.0, so twice as fast, but it achieves this in a bad way that significantly hurts cursor movement.
Razer driver sensitivity is also a multiplier, but its 0.1-1.0x - so you set DPI to 1800, which is the best performing option in the 3.5g, and then lower it from there using razer sens.
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On March 19 2013 02:56 Fierytycoon wrote:alright so yea i have the same sense for my desktop and for my ingame(by unchecking the box of course) im pretty much 100% sure all my mouse acceleration and other stuff that might be bad is turned off when u say Show nested quote +10 sens is a 1.0 multiplier - 5 sens is a 0.5 multiplier - 2 sens is a 0.2 multiplier - so at 1800dpi set, 5 sens would give you an "effective" DPI of 900. it seems like "effective dpi" is your final measurement for sensitivity so in the past i was at 6/11 desktop...3.5 razer deathadder sense...69 ingame...so what would be my "effective dpi" ingame? im assuming i would ignore the 6/11 but what do i do with the 3.5 and the 69? seeing how its not just 1 sense like the example u gave and how would i change my razer sensitivity to equal my old sense assuming im looking to keep my dpi/pollingrate the same...and seeing how u suggest 6/11 i guess i should keep that the same too(idk if u suggest 6/11 due to the 1:1 pixel precision thing...i was convinced it had negligible effects)
I googled for some CounterStrike guide about mouse settings and found this explanation for the eleven Windows control panel mouse pointer speed notches:
Windows Multiplier SC2
1 0.03125 0
2 0.0625 10
3 0.25 20
4 0.5 30
5 0.75 40
6 1.0 50
7 1.5 60
8 2.0 70
9 2.5 80
10 3.0 90
11 3.5 100
The SC2 column is what I'm expecting to happen with the SC2 slider.
You have to calculate: 1800 * razerMultiplier * sc2Multiplier. Your 69 in SC2 is probably either 1.5 or 2.0 (it should be 2.0?), so it would be one of these two results:
(a) 1800 * 0.35 * 1.5 = 945
(b) 1800 * 0.35 * 2.0 = 1260
If you run your mouse on 1800 dpi and put SC2 and Windows to run with 1:1, this would translate into this Razer sens (with how Cyro explained what the Razer sens does):
(a) 945 / 1800 = 0.525 ---> 5.25
(b) 1260 / 1800 = 0.7 ---> 7
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On March 19 2013 04:42 Fierytycoon wrote:what do u mean by that? sorry kinda slow,,,still dont get how i can figure out how to get my same sense with 6/11 and ingame sc2 sense off...are u saying that 10 sense on razer settings is an approximate for a similar sense?
The "sensitivity" in razer drivers actually makes the dpi different. Let me show a couple pics;
http://i.imgur.com/xfZbkNL.png This you set to 1800 dpi and 500hz on all profiles
http://i.imgur.com/hdoHQQw.png And this is what you use to make the dpi different
I also recommend using the On-the-fly sensitivity because you can set it more accurately to what you want. You bind some button (i use to "forward" thumb button) to on-the-fly sens and then you press it and use the scroll wheel to set it to what you want, from 1 to 10 in 0.5 steps. 1 would be 180 (0.1*1800), 5 is 900(0,5*1800) and so on.
Then you go to your Starcraft 2 mouse settings, choose in game sensitivity off. Done.
Also, if you want to use the on-the-fly sensitivity button for something else than that, you can just use it to set it once to whatever sensitivity/dpi you want and then bind the button back to the normal.
E: lol you guys posted already when i was taking and uploading screenshots. Well at least this is well explained now :D
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ropid i read in a post saying 0-9% -> 32:1 (same as 1st notch in Windows)
11-14% -> 16:1 (2nd notch)
16-19% -> 8:1
21-24% -> 4:1 (3rd notch)
26-29% -> 8:3
31-34% -> 2:1 (4th notch)
36-39% -> 8:5
41-44% -> 4:3 (5th notch)
46-49% -> 8: 7
51-54% -> 1:1 (6th notch)
56-59% -> 4:5
61-64% -> 2:3 (7th notch)
66-69% -> 4: 7
71-74% -> 1:2 (8th notch)
76-79% -> 4: 9
81-84% -> 2:5 (9th notch)
86-89% -> 4:11
91-94% -> 1:3 (10th notch)
96-99% -> 4:13
100% -> 2: 7 (11th notch)
69 doesnt fit under 1 of the whole number notches...its inbetween 70-80 for your model u showed...so would my multiplier just be 2.25
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That's 1.75 in the list you found. It would be like this:
(1800 * 0.35 * 1.75) / 1800
= 0.35 * 1.75
= 0.6125
---> 6.1 for the Razer sens
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If you want the same sensitivity in SC2 and windows the razer driver has nothing to do with it. You just disable sensitivity in SC2 or set it 51-54%. Not 69%
Then you set the actual speed of the mouse with the razer software. On-the-fly sens helps when you're finding out what suits you.
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hmm im having trouble figuring out how to bind my on the fly sensitivity in order to change
also for http://i.imgur.com/hdoHQQw.png
im not even 100% sure which dotted tab represents which # sensitivity...ive always assumed the first larger line represented 1...though i can see the justification for it being 2...and that it starts off from 1 to 10 instead of from 0 to 10(seeing how theres only 9 long lines)
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