EPTSamsung DT-35 keyboard
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Trogdor
United States158 Posts
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
There's nothing special about the DT-35. It was just widely used because of its low price and wide availability. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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KiwiLime
United States44 Posts
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Trogdor
United States158 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
ot: Don't post in the brood war section with that signature, or someone's going to have a heart attack. ... my copy of sc2 is signed by Jaedong :D | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
2) It's not a special keyboard at all, just pretty cheap and not bad. IMO Razer's Blackwidow Stealth is the best keyboard I've used and worth the price, as are some other mechanical keyboards. If you play seriously I would buy one. | ||
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ZwuckeL
Germany563 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: 1) Get it with Korean, no difference whatsoever 2) It's not a special keyboard at all, just pretty cheap and not bad. IMO Razer's Blackwidow Stealth is the best keyboard I've used and worth the price, as are some other mechanical keyboards. If you play seriously I would buy one. tell your mates at razer that we want a damned german layout for the black widow stealth T_T edit: then i would get one  difference between german and us layout sucks too much. cant get used to both at the same time. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 Megaliskuu wrote: lol @ kids thinking mechanical keyboards are essential for serious playing, every OSL/MSL champ won with a "shitty" keyboard. but every OSL/MSL 2d place has also lost with a shitty keyboard | ||
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DonaldLee
586 Posts
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KiwiLime
United States44 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 Megaliskuu wrote: lol @ kids thinking mechanical keyboards are essential for serious playing, every OSL/MSL champ won with a "shitty" keyboard. I just hope you're signature is making fun of those sayings and not repping them O.O | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Cherry switches for the lose. | ||
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 Megaliskuu wrote: lol @ kids thinking mechanical keyboards are essential for serious playing, every OSL/MSL champ won with a "shitty" keyboard. And Wayne Gretzky scored 92 goals with a wooden stick. What's your point? They're an improvement, and they a relatively new entrant in the peripherals market. | ||
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Kishuu
Brazil108 Posts
Also, I have a filco majestouch and it's the best keyboard that I ever put my hands on. Wouldn't trade it for NOTHING. | ||
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
A mechanical keyboard will not improve your game per se, but you will almost certainly enjoy using it more than any low-end rubber dome. It's about feel, not skill. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 Megaliskuu wrote: lol @ kids thinking mechanical keyboards are essential for serious playing, every OSL/MSL champ won with a "shitty" keyboard. Solid mech keyboards werent around in their day, but are more of a recent phenomenon. Not trying to say that a better keyboard makes you play better, but when you can complete actions faster with a more responsive/better keyboard, it's going to give you an edge in such a fast paced game like sc2 (especially where we dont have the bugs and delay lags with the bw UI). There's a reason why a growing majority of professional players use them, dont kid yourself. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:06 ZwuckeL wrote: tell your mates at razer that we want a damned german layout for the black widow stealth T_T edit: then i would get one difference between german and us layout sucks too much. cant get used to both at the same time.Start programming. You'll switch to an US layout very fast. OnTopic: I do have a QSenn DT-35, it's decent. Imho it's better than the cheap logitech/cherry ones, but that may just be my imagination. If you have the money you'll probably be better off with a mechanical - but I personally spill too many beers into my keyboards. And killing a 15$ Qsenn is just better than killing a 150$ mechanical (I also use that keyboardskin thing which comes with the qsenn so extra protection!). On May 11 2012 15:28 deth wrote: There's a reason why a growing majority of professional players use them, dont kid yourself. Being on a team which is sponsored by a keyboard manufacturer might be a reason  | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
Though I don't know if I like mechanical that much compared to the DT-35 that I'm using at this moment. Sure, Mechanical keyboards have NKR (great for music games) and fast response, but my DT-35 is doing its job and I don't find 'clicking' keyboards that much attractive than what I have at the moment. I might pick up few extra just in case when I go to Korea this summer. | ||
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Zurachi
Canada289 Posts
I would just stick to getting the standard Korean one. There's a good chance that 'americanized' ones that may be floating around are lower quality fakes. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:28 deth wrote: Solid mech keyboards werent around in their day, but are more of a recent phenomenon. Not trying to say that a better keyboard makes you play better, but when you can complete actions faster with a more responsive/better keyboard, it's going to give you an edge in such a fast paced game like sc2 (especially where we dont have the bugs and delay lags with the bw UI). There's a reason why a growing majority of professional players use them, dont kid yourself. im not going to lie, everything you said is true. I had one of those OEM Dell Keyboards that everyone uses and then I switched to a dell AT101W and noticed a huge difference in the response time. I just recently got the black widow ultimate and this shits on any keyboard ive ever owned. ever. | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:33 NotSorry wrote: I just hate the clicking too much in mechanical keyboards, I'll stick with a random $4.99 walmart special over them any day. That's why I got cherry blacks I actually couldn't stand cherry blues and so I almost changed my mind about the whole mechanical keyboard deal. There is only 3 advantages to a mechanical keyboard. A.) Longer life expectancy. They're made to handle more punishment than rubber dome keyboards. FYI, you'll most likely never max out on finger tapping punishment on your rubber dome keyboards. So this is only a "hypothetical" advantage being that you're never really going to see it come into being. B.) Reduced joint stress on your fingers. You're less likely to get keyboard related injuries with a mechanical than a rubber dome simply because you don't need to press as hard on a mechanical to achieve the same results. This is also a fake advantage since you'll be smashing the buttons the same speed regardless. C.) They feel so much better. This is a purely subjective advantage that has no tangible or measurable benefit. Saying all this--I do not regret getting my keyboard and I absolutely love it. It feels better, I make less typing mistakes, and my typing speed increased (due to less errors) | ||
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IMoperator
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 OutlaW- wrote: The differences between the top mechanical keyboards are minor, but I like Das the most. Especially the tenkeyless (no ink) Tenkeyless means without the numberpad keys. I think you are referring to blank keys (no letters / symbols on them). The Das doesn't have a tenkeyless version as far as I'm aware. A tenkeyless keyboard looks like this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7aVINm.jpg) | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:20 sluggaslamoo wrote: I have a buckling spring keyboard with korean layout. :D Cherry switches for the lose. I don't know what you're thinking. Buckling spring is the worst thing possible to use for gaming. On May 11 2012 15:33 NotSorry wrote: I just hate the clicking too much in mechanical keyboards, I'll stick with a random $4.99 walmart special over them any day. Mechanical keyboards don't click per se. The clicking sound comes from specific mechanical switch types, most notably the Cherry MX blue switches. If you get MX brown or MX black switches, there will be no click. On May 11 2012 15:20 sluggaslamoo wrote: I have a buckling spring keyboard with korean layout. :D Cherry switches for the lose. I don't know what you're thinking, assuming you use it with games. Buckling spring is the worst thing possible to use for gaming | ||
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Corgi Apocalypse
United States89 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:56 lorkac wrote: That's why I got cherry blacks High five. On May 11 2012 16:00 IMoperator wrote: Is a laptop keyboard more like a mechanical one or a rubber dome one? I've been playing SC2 on a laptop for the past 1 and a half years and I haven't really felt the need to use a different keyboard. Those are an example of rubber dome keys, very short ones at that. | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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Griefer
Australia171 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:20 sluggaslamoo wrote: I have a buckling spring keyboard with korean layout. :D Cherry switches for the lose. I have a buckling spring keyboard from the 80's, with ink that will never fade because the die is a part of the key itself even has the old 5 pin DIN connectors that used to go into ye olde computer consoles. +1 Hipster faggot points In all seriousness though its older than me, still works excellently and has no fading of the keys whatsoever... I'd sooner part with my computer than this keyboard. | ||
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CarelessPride
United States146 Posts
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Griefer
Australia171 Posts
On May 11 2012 16:15 Xapti wrote: I don't know what you're thinking. Buckling spring is the worst thing possible to use for gaming. Mechanical keyboards don't click per se. The clicking sound comes from specific mechanical switch types, most notably the Cherry MX blue switches. If you get MX brown or MX black switches, there will be no click. I don't know what you're thinking, assuming you use it with games. Buckling spring is the worst thing possible to use for gaming Buckling spring is actually the best for gaming, it's the only switch where the actual clicking noise responds at the actuation point. Only problem they have is wearing out quicker than the other types of switches... But with manufacturing the way it is now if you get a properly made keyboard like mine or something like an IBM model M they'll out last and perform anything modern. My own keyboard is a perfect example, my friend was actually in the process of throwing it out D: | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On May 11 2012 16:00 IMoperator wrote: Is a laptop keyboard more like a mechanical one or a rubber dome one? I've been playing SC2 on a laptop for the past 1 and a half years and I haven't really felt the need to use a different keyboard. Laptops are usually scissor switches. A very small switch that are mostly used to save space. Same stuff as those mac keyboards. So very small and very slick, but overall they are not that great to type on. | ||
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tripledoubles
Australia213 Posts
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Flummie
Netherlands417 Posts
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 Megaliskuu wrote: lol @ kids thinking mechanical keyboards are essential for serious playing, every OSL/MSL champ won with a "shitty" keyboard. "why would someone buy a mercedes to go to the store when a honda can also take you to the store" because maybe they fucking like them? | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
Mechanical is simply the best. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
/e leopold board, that is. XD | ||
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zeru
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 Megaliskuu wrote: lol @ kids thinking mechanical keyboards are essential for serious playing, every OSL/MSL champ won with a "shitty" keyboard. What a ridiculous statement to make. That's like saying "Buying good running shoes won't make you a good runner". Of course it won't, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy good running shoes? | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On May 11 2012 21:43 CluEleSs_UK wrote: What a ridiculous statement to make. That's like saying "Buying good running shoes won't make you a good runner". Of course it won't, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy good running shoes? Let's take it to the next level and say why would you buy clothes when a potato sack with holes punched in will do the job. | ||
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SpyNinja
United States78 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: 1) Get it with Korean, no difference whatsoever 2) It's not a special keyboard at all, just pretty cheap and not bad. IMO Razer's Blackwidow Stealth is the best keyboard I've used and worth the price, as are some other mechanical keyboards. If you play seriously I would buy one. i have the razer blackwidow ultimate, and I don't mind the clicking, but if you didn't want the extra noise, definitely go with the stealth by far the best keyboard I have ever used, don't care how many people bring up the fact that they had a "bad" batch | ||
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Medrea
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 11 2012 16:45 Griefer wrote: Buckling spring is actually the best for gaming, it's the only switch where the actual clicking noise responds at the actuation point. Only problem they have is wearing out quicker than the other types of switches... But with manufacturing the way it is now if you get a properly made keyboard like mine or something like an IBM model M they'll out last and perform anything modern. My own keyboard is a perfect example, my friend was actually in the process of throwing it out D: This, also bottoms-out much earlier than a cherry keyboard, so the action is much shorter. I own a cherry blue majestouche, a TOPRE capacitative HHKB, a Samsung SEM DT-35, a unicomp customizer 101, and unicomp ultra classic korean layout (the one i use right now). The buckling spring keyboards have by far been the best, much less ghosting, missed keypresses, less fatigue, and the clacks are oh so satisfying. And this is coming from someone who plays BW where accuracy is much more important. 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a 6t7t8t 0p9p 4z5z6z7d8d9d0d 4sm5sm6sm. | ||
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sjukungen1
Burkina Faso59 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:07 lorkac wrote: Once you go mechanical you can't ever backpedal I have 2 mechanical keyboards laying around because they suck. I use DT-35 over any mechanical keyboard, every day of the week. | ||
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CarelessPride
United States146 Posts
On May 12 2012 19:43 sjukungen1 wrote: I have 2 mechanical keyboards laying around because they suck. I use DT-35 over any mechanical keyboard, every day of the week. OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE i havea das and a noppoo redswitch hahas and i use my dt 35 for sc2. | ||
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caydus
United States14 Posts
edit: forgot to mention its only 25$ with free shipping http://www.buykingkorea.com/qsenn-sem-dt35-gaming-edition-korean-english-keyboard-black.html | ||
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m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:10 Megaliskuu wrote: lol @ kids thinking mechanical keyboards are essential for serious playing, every OSL/MSL champ won with a "shitty" keyboard. Have you tried using a mechanical? Have you tried using a mechanical for longer than 2 minutes? If no to both, then you're just displaying the same attitude I did before I even tried a mechanical. If you spend a lot of time on the computer like some people (for working and gaming), maybe then you'd understand why mechanical keyboards are so much better than regular keyboards. If yes, you're just like the full of membrane keyboard pride. | ||
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FreeZe sc2
United Kingdom121 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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sjukungen1
Burkina Faso59 Posts
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AnDa1120
Canada472 Posts
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Strat4lyfe
Singapore133 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:32 Zocat wrote: Start programming. You'll switch to an US layout very fast. OnTopic: I do have a QSenn DT-35, it's decent. Imho it's better than the cheap logitech/cherry ones, but that may just be my imagination. If you have the money you'll probably be better off with a mechanical - but I personally spill too many beers into my keyboards. And killing a 15$ Qsenn is just better than killing a 150$ mechanical (I also use that keyboardskin thing which comes with the qsenn so extra protection!). Being on a team which is sponsored by a keyboard manufacturer might be a reason Not all of the keyboards they sell are mechanical  they could use normal "gaming" keyboards! | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On May 14 2012 04:49 sjukungen1 wrote: Using a mechanical keyboard is like playing with mouse acceleration on. It feels like the amount of pressure you need to put on each key is not constant/linear. Feels really weird and suboptimal. Actually, the amount of pressure can be calculated with confidence and there are articles floating around specifying exactly how much activation pressure is needed for which switch type. If you like linear action (membrane keyboards are not linear, so I don't really know what you mean by your statement), then you might like black switches (requires more activation pressure) or red switches (light pressure needed). If you like to have a click telling you when the key is activated (usually this click is felt halfway to the full bottom-out) then you might like blue switches (audible click) or brown switches (tactile click, i.e. it's not audible per se but you can feel it). Personally I love my brown switches for typing and gaming, but I would really like to try red switches some day because I'm curious about how I would like linear action. | ||
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
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Thezftw
Finland116 Posts
On May 11 2012 16:50 Fragile51 wrote: Laptops have a rubberdome with a balancer (what you call a scissor) Laptops are usually scissor switches. A very small switch that are mostly used to save space. Same stuff as those mac keyboards. So very small and very slick, but overall they are not that great to type on. . | ||
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dbddbddb
Singapore969 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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sLaaX
Germany24 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On May 14 2012 04:49 sjukungen1 wrote: Using a mechanical keyboard is like playing with mouse acceleration on. It feels like the amount of pressure you need to put on each key is not constant/linear. Feels really weird and suboptimal. It may feel weird to you, but it's wrong to say it's not linear. Rubber dome membrane switches are very non-linear. There are various mecanical switch types, so you'd need to state which switch you're referring to. Even then, the non-linear cherry keys are far more linear than rubber dome, and the linear cherry keys are — linear. If you're used to rubber dome membrane, like anything, it takes time to adapt to a different feel. | ||
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Asturas
Finland587 Posts
On May 14 2012 11:47 Strat4lyfe wrote: I got a dt-35 and a 6gv2, but somehow, i can never get used to the 6gv2...still prefer the dt-35 That is interesting. I have 6gv2 and I love it. Best keyboard I've ever had. But now I plan to buy dt-35 usb for my laptop and for traveling. (I hate playing on laptop keyboard). After all comments I read here I fear DT-35 will make me stop using 6gv2. And I love 6gv2 :D | ||
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