
Black sounds a bit too dull for me
might try a red soon but so far, blue is my fav one
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![]() Black sounds a bit too dull for me might try a red soon but so far, blue is my fav one | ||
-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:20 -Trippin- wrote: I think that the bump is very important. It would save a ton (very marginal amount) of apm if I could know how far I actually need to press the keys for them to register. I think that the fact I have to hit the blacks all the way does well for accuracy in that I wont make a mistake as easily (which might be great for FPS games or Moba type games), but the reality of it is that in starcraft speed and accuracy is needed. Blacks are just so terrible in my opinion, and I don't see the appeal to reds beside the fact that they might be a bit easier to press. To be honest, I don't really even see the point of getting a mechanical keyboard at all if it is going to have a linear switch. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me seeing as how I am going to bottom out on a linear switch whether it be a membrane or mechanical keyboard... and Black switches definitely don't feel better and that's for sure. Rubber dome keyboards are tactile, not linear. And one of the main draws of linear switches is that they make it easier to avoid bottoming out (with practice). Tactility is not going to net you any APM. It wouldn't net Jaedong APM either. Switch choice is not about improving your game mechanically, it is about improving the feel and enjoyment of using the keyboard. There's no "best" switch for gaming, there is only your preference. The tiny advantages the switches grant (like doubletapping on linear switches) are dwarfed by the importance of how much you like their feel. I feel like you are being influenced by confirmation bias. Blacks are a great option for some, but apparently not for you. You've dismissed reds here without even trying them. My suggestion would be to return the Steelseries since you can, and try a different switch type. | ||
NET
United States703 Posts
I own both black and brown 10 key-less filco boards (My blacks are the 1st series and my browns are the 2nd series ninja edition (Dunno if there is a huge difference between the 1 and the 2 series but just stating for general purposes). I've used the Black Widow Ultimate blue switches as well as the 6GV2 blacks. Here are my experiences with my boards. I wore my blacks in pretty well after about a year of use and they are actually lighter than my friend's newer steel series black switches. I would slam the hell out of them in the heat of battle and they feel like they can take a beating(and they do). The lighter feel after a period of time made it a bit easier to press, so I can imagine the reds being pretty nice. All the same, if you have black switches, after some brutal use with em I say they get nicer over time, similar to a fine wine. Ages ahead of any membrane keyboard. Also typing on blacks is like typing on a cloud... at least that's the feeling I always got from typing on them. I got used to the linear feel of the blacks and then went to browns. Browns were a bit weird at first, but I finally got used to them. I used the blues prior to buying the browns, but the clicks seemed a bit over the top for me. I wasn't getting a keyboard to type as if it were a type writer, I was getting it for sc. Most of my gaming is done in the peak hours of the night so having a quieter keyboard is always a plus for me. The funny thing is my friend who went straight to browns from a membrane doesn't really feel the tactile bump of the browns for being so soft compared to a standard keyboard. I on the other hand, coming from a linear board, can appreciate the light tactile feedback of the browns. Final thoughts: Any mechanical board is a winner in my book. If you want to go for more accuracy and don't care much about little more force, I say go with the blacks. Or if you like to bottom out your keys I would say go with blacks or reds. If you want more speed(and in turn possibly less accuracy) and still wanna feel a slight bump to know when you pressed the key, then go for browns(unless you came from a membrane keyboard, then go for the slightly stronger blues). Probably not the best source for a mech keyboard, just sharing my thoughts and experiences. | ||
Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:52 -Trippin- wrote: All of these replies have a helped a lot so far, thanks. It would be awesome if I could hear some detail as to what you guys like about your blues in comparison to your blacks, however! :D Have you read through this thread? There is page after page of discussion there about the switch types and why people like and dislike them. | ||
-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:53 Hashbaz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 22:20 -Trippin- wrote: I think that the bump is very important. It would save a ton (very marginal amount) of apm if I could know how far I actually need to press the keys for them to register. I think that the fact I have to hit the blacks all the way does well for accuracy in that I wont make a mistake as easily (which might be great for FPS games or Moba type games), but the reality of it is that in starcraft speed and accuracy is needed. Blacks are just so terrible in my opinion, and I don't see the appeal to reds beside the fact that they might be a bit easier to press. To be honest, I don't really even see the point of getting a mechanical keyboard at all if it is going to have a linear switch. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me seeing as how I am going to bottom out on a linear switch whether it be a membrane or mechanical keyboard... and Black switches definitely don't feel better and that's for sure. Rubber dome keyboards are tactile, not linear. And one of the main draws of linear switches is that they make it easier to avoid bottoming out (with practice). Tactility is not going to net you any APM. It wouldn't net Jaedong APM either. Switch choice is not about improving your game mechanically, it is about improving the feel and enjoyment of using the keyboard. There's no "best" switch for gaming, there is only your preference. The tiny advantages the switches grant (like doubletapping on linear switches) are dwarfed by the importance of how much you like their feel. I feel like you are being influenced by confirmation bias. Blacks are a great option for some, but apparently not for you. You've dismissed reds here without even trying them. My suggestion would be to return the Steelseries since you can, and try a different switch type. Well the feel is very important to me and that's what I'm going for right now. I'm a high Master level player right now so I know that it's not going to makes me Grandmaster level instantly, but to be honest I really do think it's going to make me a better player. Comfort is really important in order to keep your mind clear and focused in my opinion, and my membrane keyboard prior to this one with black switches was terrible for that. The black switches have noticeably made me less prone to making mistakes (hitting the wrong key), I have found. But this is also given that my last keyboard was so bad that each key hit down with a different sensitivity and some would barely even register at all. Unfortunately there are only these steelseries keyboards as well as another blue switch keyboard where I bought this one. There are literally no other stores that sell them for 100 miles. I liked the feel of blue, I liked how it was clicky and easy to tell when the key has activated. I also liked how it was easy to press and didn't take much pressure at all. I'm afraid reds will be too similar to blacks in that they will feel like a chore to actually hit the button. I really wish I could try red switches hands on because if they are easy to actually activate in comparison with blacks, they may very well be the best. On December 17 2011 22:55 NET wrote: Background: I own both black and brown 10 key-less filco boards (My blacks are the 1st series and my browns are the 2nd series ninja edition (Dunno if there is a huge difference between the 1 and the 2 series but just stating for general purposes). I've used the Black Widow Ultimate blue switches as well as the 6GV2 blacks. Here are my experiences with my boards. I wore my blacks in pretty well after about a year of use and they are actually lighter than my friend's newer steel series black switches. I would slam the hell out of them in the heat of battle and they feel like they can take a beating(and they do). The lighter feel after a period of time made it a bit easier to press, so I can imagine the reds being pretty nice. All the same, if you have black switches, after some brutal use with em I say they get nicer over time, similar to a fine wine. Ages ahead of any membrane keyboard. Also typing on blacks is like typing on a cloud... at least that's the feeling I always got from typing on them. I got used to the linear feel of the blacks and then went to browns. Browns were a bit weird at first, but I finally got used to them. I used the blues prior to buying the browns, but the clicks seemed a bit over the top for me. I wasn't getting a keyboard to type as if it were a type writer, I was getting it for sc. Most of my gaming is done in the peak hours of the night so having a quieter keyboard is always a plus for me. The funny thing is my friend who went straight to browns from a membrane doesn't really feel the tactile bump of the browns for being so soft compared to a standard keyboard. I on the other hand, coming from a linear board, can appreciate the light tactile feedback of the browns. Final thoughts: Any mechanical board is a winner in my book. If you want to go for more accuracy and don't care much about little more force, I say go with the blacks. Or if you like to bottom out your keys I would say go with blacks or reds. If you want more speed(and in turn possibly less accuracy) and still wanna feel a slight bump to know when you pressed the key, then go for browns(unless you came from a membrane keyboard, then go for the slightly stronger blues). Probably not the best source for a mech keyboard, just sharing my thoughts and experiences. That's actually really helpful man, thanks. I was thinking that blacks may just take a lot of getting used to, but none the less I can see it fatiguing me after long sessions of gaming even after getting used to it. The pressure that it takes to activate the key really bothers me, a lot. | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 17 2011 14:53 DjRetro wrote: RED FTW! lol Seriously, that's the reason why they cost more comparing with others. Although brown and blue are great switches too. All different Cherry MX switches cost exactly the same; this has recently been confirmed by a 3M guy (switch supplier) at a keyboard enthusiast meetup in Berlin. The reason for MX-Red boards being more expensive and suppliers charging more for it is because end users assume that it's a special and more expensive switch. On topic: Listen to Hashbaz. ![]() | ||
Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:52 -Trippin- wrote: All of these replies have a helped a lot so far, thanks. It would be awesome if I could hear some detail as to what you guys like about your blues in comparison to your blacks, however! :D if you really didn't like blacks, you won't find a whole world of difference with red, brown, or blue. mechanical switches are mechanical switches. | ||
NET
United States703 Posts
On December 17 2011 23:14 Terranist wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 22:52 -Trippin- wrote: All of these replies have a helped a lot so far, thanks. It would be awesome if I could hear some detail as to what you guys like about your blues in comparison to your blacks, however! :D if you really didn't like blacks, you won't find a whole world of difference with red, brown, or blue. mechanical switches are mechanical switches. Not at all, they are as unique as the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg races. But they are similar in the sense that they are better than your standard membrane keyboard though. On December 17 2011 23:02 -Trippin- wrote: That's actually really helpful man, thanks. I was thinking that blacks may just take a lot of getting used to, but none the less I can see it fatiguing me after long sessions of gaming even after getting used to it. The pressure that it takes to activate the key really bothers me, a lot. No problem, just giving my two cents ^^ | ||
-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
On December 17 2011 23:14 Terranist wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 22:52 -Trippin- wrote: All of these replies have a helped a lot so far, thanks. It would be awesome if I could hear some detail as to what you guys like about your blues in comparison to your blacks, however! :D if you really didn't like blacks, you won't find a whole world of difference with red, brown, or blue. mechanical switches are mechanical switches. The only thing I don't like about blacks is the amount of pressure it takes to activate the key. I've tested blues and I like them a lot. I just haven't tested out any of the other switch types. I think hash was right in saying that I am too quick to dismiss the other switch types. | ||
enemy2010
Germany1972 Posts
On December 17 2011 14:58 -Trippin- wrote: So is there a reason why no one reccomends black? Or have I pretty much covered it? So far thinking blue is the way to go. I recommend them. I have a SS 6gv2. Had issues with finger/wrist hurting before, now i dont have that anymore. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
No one's recommending black because you said you don't like blacks.... . common sense On December 17 2011 23:22 -Trippin- wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2011 23:14 Terranist wrote: On December 17 2011 22:52 -Trippin- wrote: All of these replies have a helped a lot so far, thanks. It would be awesome if I could hear some detail as to what you guys like about your blues in comparison to your blacks, however! :D if you really didn't like blacks, you won't find a whole world of difference with red, brown, or blue. mechanical switches are mechanical switches. The only thing I don't like about blacks is the amount of pressure it takes to activate the key. I've tested blues and I like them a lot. I just haven't tested out any of the other switch types. I think hash was right in saying that I am too quick to dismiss the other switch types. If the only thing you don't like about blacks is the amount of pressure you need, reds are the obvious choice... why is this even discussed -,- | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20284 Posts
Das markets brown switches as "silent", but they are definatly far far louder than standard rubber dome keyboards, i wonder what blues would sound like, because if these are "silent", you could probably wake up neighbors using blues. When playing sc2 and some other games you just bottom out most of the keys anyway, but being able to float halfway down the switch for activating and/or holding keys is a really really nice feel, when i tried offrace as zerg, i didnt bottom out a single key until about 25-30 supply, and it is quite easy to play that way if you feel like it, though as protoss past 1 base im usually bottoming out almost every keystroke for making probes, tapping across production etc, though the keys still feel and sound really nice | ||
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effervescent
United States47 Posts
Right now I am using my Rosewill RK-9000 and here's the review I had typed out for it: The Rosewill RK-9000 requires very little actuation force, so your fingertips can just lightly touch the key and it will respond. It's a quiet keyboard, easy to type on, and may require some getting used to so that you can keep from bottoming out (hitting the keycap all the way to the bottom of the board). Red switches also have a linear feel as opposed to the tactile feel of blue and brown switches, and I'm not a huge fan of it but that's what I get for wanting a quieter keyboard. The keyboard itself is well-made; for some reason the keycaps feel very soft for me to type on. The red plating isn't too noticeable unless you're looking down at the keyboard, and for some people it's a bonus for aesthetics. The braided cable seems very durable, and the gold plated connectors are a nice touch. This keyboard also has anti-ghosting, which is good for gamers. I mainly use the keyboard for typing and gaming (Starcraft II, when I'm able to play), and so far it's been really nice. I managed to get this board during the Black Friday sale since it was $80, and it's definitely worth the money since you can rarely find nice mech keyboards for under $100 in general, and red switch keyboards are pretty rare, although they're becoming more common It may not be worth the regular pricetag of $130 compared to other mech keyboard brands, but if it's on sale, definitely snag it. | ||
m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
Reds I have BW, loved it ever since, although planning to get brown or red just because i game during the night and everyone is sleeping. | ||
m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
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gr1gr0th
United States2 Posts
I have this keyboard in the browns for whoever was looking for red that aren't ridiculously expensive | ||
haduken
Australia8267 Posts
I tried blue for 6 months, I liked the clickyness but I've find that it is very tiring on the fingers. I literally had to stop every night because my hand got so tired -_-, since black requires more force to hit... The red has being perfect for me so far. | ||
Kolvacs
Canada1203 Posts
It is really nice for typing (programming, essays, etc), and I love it for gaming as well, (SC2, LoL, etc). The #1 reason I bought this keyboard was because it felt good to me, and that is the reason anyone should buy a mechanical keyboard. Don't base it off of "it is good for gaming, it is made for typing, etc", the only way to tell if you are going to like a mechanical keyboard is by trying one. Go to a store that sells mechanical keyboards and try the variety and see which one feels better for you. Personally, I tried both the Steelseries 6Gv2, and the Razer Blackwidow. I personally found that the MX Blue keys "felt" better. | ||
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