EPTI've read a lot of the guides on mechanical keyboards posted here and I know what the good models are, but I'd like to hear what other peoples experiences with different swolitch types have been, what they prefer for sc2, and why.
Cherry black switches vs. brown and blue
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
I've read a lot of the guides on mechanical keyboards posted here and I know what the good models are, but I'd like to hear what other peoples experiences with different swolitch types have been, what they prefer for sc2, and why. | ||
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Medrea
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
Seriously, that's the reason why they cost more comparing with others. Although brown and blue are great switches too. | ||
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
Browns- Everything that a blue has except for a slightly lighter actuation force of 45g and is missing that nice and crisp *click* sound. Most people will point you toward these, although i would point you to the Blues instead. With the browns, you are able to float on it, although it shouldn't make too much of a difference. Blacks- Linear force switches mean that they don't have a bump or any tactile response, and require more force to actuate them (70g to actuate). Most people say that these are hard to get used to if you don't have already forceful fingers and might cause fatigue, although after a few days those users who don't RMA them say that these are one of the best switches. Red- Like browns, but without the bump. If you've tried and used a MX Brown keyboard like I have, you probably wanted to not have the bump in there at all since it makes the key feel a bit weird and i guess "sandy" in a way, because you would expect something to have such a low actuation force to be ultra smooth. Reds take away the bump and instead become something like Blacks but with 45G needed to actuate the key, and are usually considered as one of the rarest Cherry switches next to clears( these are sooo hard to find nowdays). If i were you , i would grab a Red, possibly a Majestouch 2 with reds, a KBC Poker with Reds (both around $140-150), or if you wanna take a bit of a risk go for that Rosewill RK-9000RE (even though its from the same OEM manufacture as Filco) because half the reviews on newegg say that they have a super annoying squeaky space bar (that is apparently fixable without the need to RMA it). I'm actually thinking of grabbing a Rosewill since I'm short in money. I had a Razer BlackWidow exactly one year ago, and it broke within two weeks .__. R.I.P. Once you've gone mechanical, you'll never look back. | ||
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MaestrO_
United States591 Posts
Unfortunately they're hard to find, they don't make red switches anymore, so they're going to be more expensive. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
An idea on what pressuring each switch is like. Easy to see why Blue gives the feel it does. And you can float a blue with practice as well. http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide Good reading. | ||
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
Personally I don't like brown switches. For gaming I prefer blues, which are a tad stiffer than browns and have that nice click which I really enjoy. The double tapping problem is not really an issue for Starcraft. I like reds and buckling springs for SC2 as well. On December 17 2011 15:03 LanTAs wrote: If i were you , i would grab a Red, possibly a Majestouch 2 with reds, a KBC Poker with Reds (both around $140-150), or if you wanna take a bit of a risk go for that Rosewill RK-9000RE (even though its from the same OEM manufacture as Filco) because half the reviews on newegg say that they have a super annoying squeaky space bar (that is apparently fixable without the need to RMA it). Pokers can be had for much less than $140. In geekhack.org's classifieds section they typically sell used for $80 - $100 shipped. You can get them new on ebay for a bit more. I wouldn't recommend the Poker for Starcraft though, due to its compact layout and function layer. The Rosewill is not a risk at all at $100 on Newegg. A lot of mechanical keyboards squeak. A small amount of white lithium grease from an auto supply store (< $5) will fix it. On December 17 2011 15:23 MaestrO_ wrote: Unfortunately they're hard to find, they don't make red switches anymore, so they're going to be more expensive. Reds are no longer hard to find! Rosewills and Leopolds and Pokers are plentiful. | ||
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
Coming soon in the U.S! A great RED-keyboard :D | ||
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HuggyBear
Australia377 Posts
On December 17 2011 14:48 -Trippin- wrote: The other day I purchased a steel series keyboard with cherry black switches and thus far I am a bit disappointed. The keys feel like they take too much force to press and I feel as though this has an effect on my apm. In the store, where I tested it, my first thought was that I'd get used to it. But unfortunately I just can't. It's just so uncomfortable when spamming different keys quickly. I've read a lot of the guides on mechanical keyboards posted here and I know what the good models are, but I'd like to hear what other peoples experiences with different swolitch types have been, what they prefer for sc2, and why. Yeah, that's natural. You've only had them for two days. It took me around 4-5 days of constant play to get used to them. They do take a bit of force to use. Doesn't mean your hands won't grow those muscles in time  | ||
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Medrea
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
On December 17 2011 15:24 Medrea wrote: + Show Spoiler + An idea on what pressuring each switch is like. Easy to see why Blue gives the feel it does. And you can float a blue with practice as well. http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide Good reading. Looking at that makes me think that clears and browns are the best with practice. My first thought when looking at blues is that it may have an issue when quickly spamming a key in that it might not register every time you hit it in quick succession. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:16 Shikyo wrote: Why not just reds? =P I think that the bump is very important. It would save a ton (very marginal amount) of apm if I could know how far I actually need to press the keys for them to register. I think that the fact I have to hit the blacks all the way does well for accuracy in that I wont make a mistake as easily (which might be great for FPS games or Moba type games), but the reality of it is that in starcraft speed and accuracy is needed. Blacks are just so terrible in my opinion, and I don't see the appeal to reds beside the fact that they might be a bit easier to press. To be honest, I don't really even see the point of getting a mechanical keyboard at all if it is going to have a linear switch. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me seeing as how I am going to bottom out on a linear switch whether it be a membrane or mechanical keyboard... and Black switches definitely don't feel better and that's for sure. | ||
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iScH
United States48 Posts
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:24 Ph4z3d wrote: I've been using a Steelseries 6gv2 for about a year now, and as much as I do love this keyboard, I have used keyboards with blue switches, and honestly I love the blue switches over black and brown, I just don't have money to buy another keyboard at the moment xD Can you tell me a bit about the pros and cons you have found with black switches over prolonged use? What makes you like the blue switches more? Do you think that black switches are the clear favorite for non-RTS type games despite your blue switch preference (the reason I ask this is because I still have 10 days to return my black switch keyboard and I am considering just keeping it anyway just in-case, possibly to use it when I travel or in the university library when I want to play sc2 there)? | ||
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carlton1shot
United States23 Posts
i guess i'll be buying a DASkeyboard w/ brown/blue switches. | ||
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:13 -Trippin- wrote: Looking at that makes me think that clears and browns are the best with practice. My first thought when looking at blues is that it may have an issue when quickly spamming a key in that it might not register every time you hit it in quick succession. You're talking about the doubletapping problem that I and others mentioned. Blues have zero issues with spamming. Doubletapping is not the same as repeatedly hitting the keys in quick succession. Doubletapping is floating the switches right above the actuation point and repeatedly hitting it. Blues do make this harder to do than other switch types (though not impossible). Fortunately you don't need or even really want to do that in Starcraft. If you like the blues for other reasons, the doubletapping thing is a non-issue. | ||
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-Cyrus-
United States318 Posts
On December 17 2011 22:42 Hashbaz wrote: You're talking about the doubletapping problem that I and others mentioned. Blues have zero issues with spamming. Doubletapping is not the same as repeatedly hitting the keys in quick succession. Doubletapping is floating the switches right above the actuation point and repeatedly hitting it. Blues do make this harder to do than other switch types (though not impossible). Fortunately you don't need or even really want to do that in Starcraft. If you like the blues for other reasons, the doubletapping thing is a non-issue. But if you were to just hit the key down all the way anyway, that obviously wouldn't even be a problem. I can't see many instances in which I would ever float anyway, in any game. The thing I liked about the blue switches was the feel of them, so I guess that seems like the one for me thus far. | ||
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arena_say_what
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