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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 29 2011 07:22 GMT
#21
I'm not sure what AMD is thinking if FM1 boards are expected to start at $100 and go all the way up to $200... seriously wtf?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 07:50:37
June 29 2011 07:43 GMT
#22
A damned badass 300W PSU. Yeah that should be 20 Amps and not 30 Amps.

The cheapest A75 motherboard on release is probably going to be some Asrock one and that's sitting close, if not at, $100 USD. I *think* it might be because they're all using the Hudson-D3 chipset which is better featured than Cougar Point IMHO, and the motherboards tend to show that with a gazillion USB3 ports, every video and audio connector you can think of, SATA3 everywhere, etc. The Gigabyte boards especially have more ports than many of the X58 motherboards I can think of.

I guess you'll have to wait if you want cheaper cut down variants.

On June 29 2011 15:47 sinani206 wrote:
If you can find an i3-2105, those come with HD 3000s.


Its still going to be worse, the HD3000 may be double than what the HD2000 but its still fairly inadequate for gaming.
cannedrice
Profile Joined December 2010
United States126 Posts
June 29 2011 10:14 GMT
#23
I just read the same, most mobos are going to be starting at 100, and the A8 cpu supposedly runs for at least 120. It's all due to be released in 24 hours a STORE NEAR YOU?! At least that's what online sources say, June 30th.

I think the mobos are expensive because all of them have 2 PCIe from the get-go?
SirazTV
Profile Joined May 2010
United States209 Posts
August 20 2011 20:12 GMT
#24
The new AMD llano architecture only really makes sense for portable computers. For a PC bang just buy a bunch of athlon II x3 or the new sandy bridge duo cores(the cheaper ones then the i3 cant remember the name) and 460s. The performance will be soooooooo much better and not cost that much more then a llano system.

Also, as a side note the I did just get a llano A6-3400m laptop and have been impressed with the sc2 performance. It plays 1v1 on medium @ native resolution 1366x768 wihtout lag. Even when @ 200/200 with muta ling my fps only drops to around 30-35.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 20 2011 20:20 GMT
#25
On August 21 2011 05:12 SirazTV wrote:
The new AMD llano architecture only really makes sense for portable computers. For a PC bang just buy a bunch of athlon II x3 or the new sandy bridge duo cores(the cheaper ones then the i3 cant remember the name) and 460s. The performance will be soooooooo much better and not cost that much more then a llano system.

Also, as a side note the I did just get a llano A6-3400m laptop and have been impressed with the sc2 performance. It plays 1v1 on medium @ native resolution 1366x768 wihtout lag. Even when @ 200/200 with muta ling my fps only drops to around 30-35.


Pentium G840. But without a discrete GPU adding to the price, you won't beat llano by much. Even so, a GTS 450 can be had for ~$80 on sale, making it slightly more expensive after including the overpriced llano mobo, for much better performance on the GPU side, and slightly better CPU power.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
August 20 2011 20:53 GMT
#26
For real, I would take a G620 + H61 + GTS 450 any day over Llano.

Heck, for an ultra portable desktop, I'd still just get a Mini-ITX for about $65, a G620 for about $78 and a low-profile HD5570 or something like that for about $65.

Llano is a great idea, but I think it needs to offer more power in both GPU/CPU department for it to be worth it for me (and therefore, most people, in my opinion).
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 20 2011 21:02 GMT
#27
Llano is a particularly great idea for laptops...except the CPU kind of sucks.

Well, actually the real idea of Llano is a stepping stone towards further CPU/GPU integration so you eventually have GPU elements (well, stream processors or whatever you want to call them and whatever they end up being) speeding up all sorts of non-graphics computing...they hope.

At the moment, Llano lets you have decent graphics performance in those super-small mini-ITX cases with no expansion slots. Though arguably, the HD 3000 is already there.
SirazTV
Profile Joined May 2010
United States209 Posts
August 20 2011 22:23 GMT
#28
On August 21 2011 05:20 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 05:12 SirazTV wrote:
The new AMD llano architecture only really makes sense for portable computers. For a PC bang just buy a bunch of athlon II x3 or the new sandy bridge duo cores(the cheaper ones then the i3 cant remember the name) and 460s. The performance will be soooooooo much better and not cost that much more then a llano system.

Also, as a side note the I did just get a llano A6-3400m laptop and have been impressed with the sc2 performance. It plays 1v1 on medium @ native resolution 1366x768 wihtout lag. Even when @ 200/200 with muta ling my fps only drops to around 30-35.


Pentium G840. But without a discrete GPU adding to the price, you won't beat llano by much. Even so, a GTS 450 can be had for ~$80 on sale, making it slightly more expensive after including the overpriced llano mobo, for much better performance on the GPU side, and slightly better CPU power.


460s = gtx 460 768mb card can be found for ~100 or even less if on sale.
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 22:49:51
August 20 2011 22:41 GMT
#29
On August 21 2011 05:53 jacosajh wrote:
For real, I would take a G620 + H61 + GTS 450 any day over Llano.

Heck, for an ultra portable desktop, I'd still just get a Mini-ITX for about $65, a G620 for about $78 and a low-profile HD5570 or something like that for about $65.

Llano is a great idea, but I think it needs to offer more power in both GPU/CPU department for it to be worth it for me (and therefore, most people, in my opinion).


GTS 450 is way overkill to play low settings at 1280X1024, it can handle 1920X1080 on ultra settings for sc2

A 9800 can be had for under $40 on sale. If he does decide to go with dedicated graphics that'd probably be the best bet.
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jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 00:00:21
August 20 2011 23:53 GMT
#30
Ultra @ 1920x1080 on GTS 450?

I don't think that's right.

Even if it could, it probably won't be stable for more than 1v1s and/or medium-large battles.

Maybe some stuff on Ultra, some stuff on High. My 5770, a bit better than the GTS 450, struggles a little bit on Ultra everything @ 1920x1080.

Edit: Hrmmm... might be wrong. At second look, it looks like SC2 is one of the games the GTS 450 performs better than the HD 5770 for. Just about everything else the HD 5770 is better. Then again, the most recent benchmark comparisons I could find were back in Sept. 2010 so maybe driver updates since then changed this?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
August 20 2011 23:59 GMT
#31
On August 21 2011 08:53 jacosajh wrote:
Ultra @ 1920x1080 on GTS 450?

I don't think that's right.

Even if it could, it probably won't be stable for more than 1v1s and/or medium-large battles.

Maybe some stuff on Ultra, some stuff on High. My 5770, a bit better than the GTS 450, struggles a little bit on Ultra everything @ 1920x1080.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1033/pg10/palit-geforce-gts-450-sonic-platinum-sli-review-starcraft-2.html

jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
August 21 2011 00:03 GMT
#32
Yeah I saw that and this:

http://techgage.com/article/nvidia_geforce_gts_450_-_the_super-affordable_fermi/7

I wonder if this is still true.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 00:10:49
August 21 2011 00:09 GMT
#33
Well, if I wasn't massively lazy, I could bench my wife's GTS 450. But that's a lot of headache with all the cards, cables, bridge, and so on that would need pulled in the process. Especially since I'm in the effing lanboy air, king of excessive screws.

7 per side panel, + all the screws holding in the dual slot cards.
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