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cannedrice
United States126 Posts
A4-3000 + Radeon 6480G Trying to build a budget PC bang for practicing SC2, like an OGS house type ordeal. Seems it's well known that SC2 is CPU intensive, but graphics takes a hit too when you go Intel. I'm trying to build a bunch of computers that'll run the game at 1366x768 or 1280x720 on low/low only. The AMD options looks more promising than the i3 series. The budget per computer is around 300 bucks. Don't really need big hard drives or CD drives. It just needs to run SC2. | ||
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Loser777
1931 Posts
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
Anyway, check here for videocard performance: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html | ||
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Sermokala
United States14056 Posts
Intel doesn't do graphics nividia is the company your getting mad at. I was having that rage too when I was playing extreme graphics and getting lag and delay at the worst times. I recently came into some money and purchased a pair of nividia cards and slied them together and I literally havn't seen anything ever have any problems even with crysis 2. if your trying to train though lulzily your gona want to have low graphics anyway to help you with micro and you really don't need that much in there. Intels supports esports so you should probably go with them expecialy with their better gaming cards. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
You can see a direct comparison of them from the SB article here: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4083/34877.png) and compared to the Llano A8's 6550D IGP here: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38870.png) Another thing to note is the reviews are concentrating on the highest performing Llano's...which again, are a bit misplaced on the desktop. The A4 and A6, which vary from dual/tri/quad-cores, also differ with cache (specifically the A4's with only 1MB vs. the 3MB and 4MB models found in the A6 and A8's). The IGPs, on the lower A4 and A6 models, are similarly castrated...so be wary that performance may be significantly different than the 6550D found in the top-line A8's. + Show Spoiler [A4,A6,A8 models] + The bigger issue to me, IMO, is that Llano's scales very well with performance RAM as the IGP is severely memory starved. You can see what happens with the RAM speed is increased from stock 1333Mhz to 1866Mhz. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38843.png) Bottom line is that with low quality settings across the board, this reduces the Llano's IGP advantage; AMD's biggest advantage. But we need to look at cost in its totality here. Pair the SB with any non-IGP GPU and you have an infinitely longer-lasting solution. | ||
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:38 mav451 wrote: Llano's are more designed for HTPC's or laptops. On the desktop, it's somewhat of an afterthought since the performance is basically equal to the Athlon II X4. Also, the i3 SB's only come with the HD 2000 IGP, not the 3000 IGP. The HD 2000 IGP's are significantly weaker b/c they only have half the EU's of the HD 3000 (6 vs. 12). You can see a direct comparison of them from the SB article here: + Show Spoiler + and compared to the Llano A8's 6550D IGP here: + Show Spoiler + Another thing to note is the reviews are concentrating on the highest performing Llano's...which again, are a bit misplaced on the desktop. The A4 and A6, which vary from dual/tri/quad-cores, also differ with cache (specifically the A4's with only 1MB vs. the 3MB and 4MB models found in the A6 and A8's). The IGPs, on the lower A4 and A6 models, are similarly castrated...so be wary that performance may be significantly different than the 6550D found in the top-line A8's. + Show Spoiler [A4,A6,A8 models] + The bigger issue to me, IMO, is that Llano's scales very well with performance RAM as the IGP is severely memory starved. You can see what happens with the RAM speed is increased from stock 1333Mhz to 1866Mhz. + Show Spoiler + Bottom line is that with low quality settings across the board, this reduces the Llano's IGP advantage; AMD's biggest advantage. But we need to look at cost in its totality here. Pair the SB with any non-IGP GPU and you have an infinitely longer-lasting solution. The sb i3's do come with a HD 3000. Its still for laptops, so I'm still somewhat confused. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Fusion#Sabine Yup more on Madoga's point here, from this AT article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3876/intels-core-2011-mobile-roadmap-revealed-sandy-bridge-part-ii The major difference between mobile Sandy Bridge and its desktop countpart is all mobile SB launch SKUs have two graphics cores (12 EUs), while only some desktop parts have 12 EUs (it looks like the high-end K SKUs will have it). The base GPU clock is lower but it can turbo up to 1.3GHz, higher than most desktop Sandy Bridge CPUs. Note that the GPU we tested in Friday's preview had 6 EUs, so mobile Sandy Bridge should be noticeably quicker as long as we don't run into memory bandwidth issues. Update: Our preview article may have actually used a 12 EU part, we're still trying to confirm! | ||
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Take a look at this article. The APUs are really affordable. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
The 210 should be 35 dollar ish and the 220/6450 45 ish. The 6450 and 220 run on low settings at 100fps+, not sure about the 210 but my friend is using it and he sais it works fine. I'm pretty sure that if you keep to cheap components you can keep it below 300 dollar. | ||
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cannedrice
United States126 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:58 jacosajh wrote: Is the budget $300 for the PC only? Or including screen, keyboard, mouse? No, just the tower itself. I was originally thinking of doing Athlon II X3 boxes paired with Radeon 5450s. Not sure if waiting for the A6 makes sense. | ||
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cannedrice
United States126 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:10 T.O.P. wrote: http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/23237-amds-llano-a8-3850-to-cost-us-$135 Take a look at this article. The APUs are really affordable. The APU itself is cheap. The motherboard doesn't seem to have the same luxury - the cheapest seems to be hovering around the $100 region. I'm not sure but I don't believe AMD's turbo core, which is basically Intel's turbo boost, works on the desktop processors, so its basically an Athlon II with a huge IGP component. I think Ananadtech mentioned it in their review but don't count me on it. On June 29 2011 13:49 cannedrice wrote: No, just the tower itself. I was originally thinking of doing Athlon II X3 boxes paired with Radeon 5450s. Not sure if waiting for the A6 makes sense. Athlon II X3s + HD5450s will still be quite a bit cheaper than Llano, if only because of the cheapass AM2+ and AM3 motherboards in the market. Max power draw of this system should be around ~150W at max load...so the recommended power supply is around 300W with something like 30 Amps on the 12+ rails (this information should be on a huge sticker on the side of your PSU). Keep in mind you probably need to buy RAM so there are a lot of other costs involved. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
On June 29 2011 13:49 cannedrice wrote: No, just the tower itself. I was originally thinking of doing Athlon II X3 boxes paired with Radeon 5450s. Not sure if waiting for the A6 makes sense. Right, or even Athlon II X2 245 + 5450. I think it comes to just about $230 w/ AM3 board, 4GB DDR3 RAM, 300W PSU, and 160GB 7200 RPM HDD, and basic Case. Leaves a little bit more budget breathing room. SC2 doesn't use more than 2 Cores, so if this is strictly SC2, I don't see why you need X3s? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On June 29 2011 14:11 Womwomwom wrote: I'm not sure but I don't believe AMD's turbo core, which is basically Intel's turbo boost, works on the desktop processors, so its basically an Athlon II with a huge IGP component. I think Ananadtech mentioned it in their review but don't count me on it. they are clocked lower than the phenoms, probably due to thermal concerns, so its basically around athlon territory. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On June 29 2011 14:11 Womwomwom wrote: Athlon II X3s + HD5450s will still be quite a bit cheaper than Llano, if only because of the cheapass AM2+ and AM3 motherboards in the market. Max power draw of this system should be around ~150W at max load...so the recommended power supply is around 300W with something like 30 Amps on the 12+ rails (this information should be on a huge sticker on the side of your PSU). Sounds like a pretty hardcore 300W PSU to have 30A on +12V?  | ||
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