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carmon
United States220 Posts
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R1CH
Netherlands10342 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Craton
United States17290 Posts
On February 01 2017 13:39 carmon wrote: So I recently upgraded my internet speeds to 150mbps download and was only reaching 100mbps. I called my ISP's tech support and they said that my motherboard only supports up to 100 mbps. However, looking at the specs for the B75MA-P45 it appears it should support up to 1000 mbps. Anyone have any idea? How is your network configured? Routers commonly have a maximum speed of 100mbps on the Ethernet ports. In my case I connect devices to a switch (1000mbps) internally which connects to my router. This keeps my LAN traffic at full speeds (I get about 80MBps from my NAS). My Internet is below 100mbps anyway, so that isn't an issue. I'm wondering if your devices might be connecting to the Internet differently (through different hardware). Failing that, try updating your motherboard drivers (specifically the network drivers). On February 02 2017 05:04 FFW_Rude wrote: Is it worth it to buy a recent graphic card like GTX1080 as i have an i7 4770K overcloacked at 4.2 ? I ask since i heard lots of talks about CPU bottlenecking GC and that CPU is 3yo. Depends entirely on what you're playing. For most games that CPU won't be your bottleneck. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 02 2017 09:42 Craton wrote: Depends entirely on what you're playing. For most games that CPU won't be your bottleneck. What can bottlenet a GC ? I thought only the CPU could. What do you mean by what do i play ? 'cause if i want to change to a more powerfull card it's not because i want to play pixelart games  Maybe you meant like VR ? If so, no only normal games | ||
Poopi
France12938 Posts
On February 02 2017 16:24 FFW_Rude wrote: What can bottlenet a GC ? I thought only the CPU could. What do you mean by what do i play ? 'cause if i want to change to a more powerfull card it's not because i want to play pixelart games Maybe you meant like VR ? If so, no only normal gamesUsually in strategy games (and especially SC2 which is not the most well optimized in that regard), CPU are the bottlenecks because there are a lot of units / calculations made. But in most games the GC will be the bottleneck, depending on the resolution you play at. | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
On February 02 2017 16:24 FFW_Rude wrote: What can bottlenet a GC ? I thought only the CPU could. What do you mean by what do i play ? 'cause if i want to change to a more powerfull card it's not because i want to play pixelart games Maybe you meant like VR ? If so, no only normal gamesOn what resolution are you planning on playing? | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10342 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 02 2017 22:38 Sr18 wrote: On what resolution are you planning on playing? I'm still on 60Hz, 1920x1080 dual monitors On February 03 2017 01:03 R1CH wrote: An OCed 4770K is about as competitive as modern CPUs, not really any point upgrading it. The 1080 could help depending on your current GPU of course. I have a Sapphire R9 290X 4GB. And i'm considering returning to nVidia after 10+ years On February 02 2017 17:13 Poopi wrote: Usually in strategy games (and especially SC2 which is not the most well optimized in that regard), CPU are the bottlenecks because there are a lot of units / calculations made. But in most games the GC will be the bottleneck, depending on the resolution you play at. First time i heared about CPU bottlenecking GPU was when i was modding Skyrim to the max (400+ mods). Thanks for the explanation. I thought it was more general than that. Last time i was on point with technology. The X800 was out so.... i'm kinda out of the loop :p | ||
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Simberto
Germany11895 Posts
On February 03 2017 01:34 FFW_Rude wrote: I'm still on 60Hz, 1920x1080 dual monitors I have a Sapphire R9 290X 4GB. And i'm considering returning to nVidia after 10+ years First time i heared about CPU bottlenecking GPU was when i was modding Skyrim to the max (400+ mods). Thanks for the explanation. I thought it was more general than that. Last time i was on point with technology. The X800 was out so.... i'm kinda out of the loop :p I don't think "x is bottlenecking y" is a good idea to think about it. What you should ask yourself is "What is bottlenecking MY SYSTEM when i do the stuff that i do." And that is usually easily tested. Do the stuff you do, and use a monitor to watch which of your stuff is at it's limit when your PC stutters. If your system does what you want it to do without being at it's limits, you don't need to change anything. If your system is at it's limits when doing what you want it to do, or you want it to do more than before, look at which part is at it's limit, and start thinking about how to reasonably replace that. | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
On February 03 2017 01:34 FFW_Rude wrote: I'm still on 60Hz, 1920x1080 dual monitors From what I've read, a 1080 is complete overkill for 1080p gaming. You might not even need a 1070. So if you only game one monitor, it wouldnt be your cpu bottlenecking your gpu, but rather your resolution so to speak. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 03 2017 22:58 Sr18 wrote: From what I've read, a 1080 is complete overkill for 1080p gaming. You might not even need a 1070. So if you only game one monitor, it wouldnt be your cpu bottlenecking your gpu, but rather your resolution so to speak. i don't get it. You mean. Ok i'll get performance but for the price i should own a 4K monitor ? | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On February 04 2017 04:39 FFW_Rude wrote: i don't get it. You mean. Ok i'll get performance but for the price i should own a 4K monitor ? A 1060 is enough to play 90%~ of modern games at an average of 60fps+ (which is all you need since your monitors are 60Hz). A 1070 is the way to go if you want to be absolutely sure that you'll be able to play at 60fps for every game, and you're not willing to drop one or two setting here and there (chances are it'll be hard to notice the difference. Important to keep in mind that performance/dollar peaks with the 1060, and decreases with the 1070 and 1080... So for a 1080 you're paying almost 3x as much, but around 2x as fast (compared to a 1060). What we're saying is that with an OC'ed 4770k and GTX1080, games will look good, but you'd even be able to play games fairly comfortably with a 1440p monitor. 4k is a bit of a stretch, some games you can get close to 60fps with a GTX1080, but games like GTA V you'll only get low to mid 30s with a GTX 1080. That said, an R9 290X is still a fairly good card, and as a rough guideline: A GTX1060 6GB will be roughly a 10% improvement A GTX1070 8GB will be roughly a 50% improvement A GTX1080 8GB will be roughly a 90% improvement A Titan X 12GB Pascal will be roughly a 130-140% improvement So if you're going to keep the same resolution, look at your current frame rates and add that. If you want to go for 4K, divide all your current framerates by 4 and multiply by 1.1, 1.5, 1.9, or 2.4 to decide what's enough for you based on what you play (if you want 1440p, divide by 1.778 instead of 4). It varies a bit here and there based on what drivers are good for what, so if you have a specific list of games you can look at those benchmarks in detail, but in general for newer games, these are the averages. Most games are limited by GPU and RAM speeds, moreso than CPU. And like others have said, a 4770k is only like 10% slower than the fastest consumer CPU on the market for gaming (7700k). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20335 Posts
Important to keep in mind that performance/dollar peaks with the 1060, and decreases with the 1070 and 1080 1080 being a lot worse than 1070 last i checked And like others have said, a 4770k is only like 10% slower than the fastest consumer CPU on the market for gaming (7700k). The average achievable OC on a 7700k is about 10% higher than a 4770k because of architectural+process changes and temperatures being way lower. You have IPC gains on top of that which are significant (often seeing a 10-15% improvement when you match clocks in CPU limited games) which lead to consistent gains of about ~20-25% when combined. That's very significant to some people as CPU core performance is an extremely limited resource but not worth large amounts of $$ to others - a GPU upgrade may be able to double graphics performance for a similar price, etc. It's just that somebody playing sc2, WoW etc may want better performance and have nothing else relevant to upgrade, only the CPU part of the system severely limiting performance | ||
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Craton
United States17290 Posts
Games that are graphically demanding like Witcher 3, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, & Mirror's Edge Catalyst are the ones where a typical system will be limited by the graphics card. The reason we always ask what you want to play, at what quality, and at what resolution is because that entirely determines what your needs are. A game like the above might be graphically demanding, but if you're playing at a lower resolution and only care about lower or medium settings then you'll need a less powerful card. If you're not playing games like these at all, maybe your GPU is comparatively unimportant. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
I think i'll finally stay with R9 because i don't want to change my Eizo monitors. They are really great and well... i don't want to invest into better monitors 'cause those ones were quite expensive and were a gift. I think i'll pass the cap for upgrade when i will buy better monitors then. The R9 still works really great. But the real deal was if i upgrade the R9 with something better, it would be to give the R9 to the other computer of the house which have a radeon 6970 3gb (or was it 2) (my wife computer) and she's playing witcher III so the R9 would be a lot better.. | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
Currently there are 2 Slots occupied. I'm willing to spend up to 100€. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On February 06 2017 06:14 Hryul wrote: What's the best plan if I want to upgrade my Asus P8P67 LE with 4 GB Ram? Currently there are 2 Slots occupied. I'm willing to spend up to 100€. Well you can't use DDR4 RAM, so I'd buy the cheapest (from a known brand) of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x4GB, and throw out your old RAM. (An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future  ) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20335 Posts
(An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future ) At least they got double channel memory for 6 years | ||
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