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On February 06 2017 08:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2017 06:14 Hryul wrote:
What's the best plan if I want to upgrade my Asus P8P67 LE with 4 GB Ram?
Currently there are 2 Slots occupied.
I'm willing to spend up to 100€. Well you can't use DDR4 RAM, so I'd buy the cheapest (from a known brand) of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x4GB, and throw out your old RAM. (An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future  )
Well there's the problem: is 1600 Mhz DDR3 2x4 enough of a spec to find me something? I already ordered some DDR3 RAM w/o looking properly at the supported Mobo section and had to send it back . .
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On February 06 2017 20:15 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2017 08:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:On February 06 2017 06:14 Hryul wrote:
What's the best plan if I want to upgrade my Asus P8P67 LE with 4 GB Ram?
Currently there are 2 Slots occupied.
I'm willing to spend up to 100€. Well you can't use DDR4 RAM, so I'd buy the cheapest (from a known brand) of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x4GB, and throw out your old RAM. (An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future ) Well there's the problem: is 1600 Mhz DDR3 2x4 enough of a spec to find me something? I already ordered some DDR3 RAM w/o looking properly at the supported Mobo section and had to send it back . .
The section of the motherboard manual where they list supported memory kits, that's a list of products the motherboard manufacturer did test physically in your motherboard's model. It doesn't mean that everything not listed there won't work.
You can't really use that list when buying something today. The list only has products that were sold five years ago or so.
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On February 07 2017 01:33 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2017 20:15 Hryul wrote:On February 06 2017 08:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:On February 06 2017 06:14 Hryul wrote:
What's the best plan if I want to upgrade my Asus P8P67 LE with 4 GB Ram?
Currently there are 2 Slots occupied.
I'm willing to spend up to 100€. Well you can't use DDR4 RAM, so I'd buy the cheapest (from a known brand) of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x4GB, and throw out your old RAM. (An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future ) Well there's the problem: is 1600 Mhz DDR3 2x4 enough of a spec to find me something? I already ordered some DDR3 RAM w/o looking properly at the supported Mobo section and had to send it back . . The section of the motherboard manual where they list supported memory kits, that's a list of products the motherboard manufacturer did test physically in your motherboard's model. It doesn't mean that everything not listed there won't work. You can't really use that list when buying something today. The list only has products that were sold five years ago or so.
to make things worse, ASUS writes, that the mobo supports technology not released back then. Thus I thought: meh, will work fine.
The RAM manufacturers also have lists with supported mobos. I suppose these lists are more accurate. It's just that I don't know which RAM to order. I was hoping someone here knew some specs to ease my search.
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On February 07 2017 05:31 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 01:33 Ropid wrote:On February 06 2017 20:15 Hryul wrote:On February 06 2017 08:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:On February 06 2017 06:14 Hryul wrote:
What's the best plan if I want to upgrade my Asus P8P67 LE with 4 GB Ram?
Currently there are 2 Slots occupied.
I'm willing to spend up to 100€. Well you can't use DDR4 RAM, so I'd buy the cheapest (from a known brand) of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x4GB, and throw out your old RAM. (An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future ) Well there's the problem: is 1600 Mhz DDR3 2x4 enough of a spec to find me something? I already ordered some DDR3 RAM w/o looking properly at the supported Mobo section and had to send it back . . The section of the motherboard manual where they list supported memory kits, that's a list of products the motherboard manufacturer did test physically in your motherboard's model. It doesn't mean that everything not listed there won't work. You can't really use that list when buying something today. The list only has products that were sold five years ago or so. to make things worse, ASUS writes, that the mobo supports technology not released back then. Thus I thought: meh, will work fine. The RAM manufacturers also have lists with supported mobos. I suppose these lists are more accurate. It's just that I don't know which RAM to order. I was hoping someone here knew some specs to ease my search.
Those are all the specs you need. There's like no other significant spec besides like... timings. But that doesn't really matter much at all, and seeing timings like 9-9-9-24 isn't even that useful, since there's like 50 other timing numbers that some manufacturers let you modify, and usually higher timings = lower clock-speeds, so it kind of evens out.
Especially when it comes to DDR3 RAM, the improvements are so miniscule, that it really doesn't matter. The choice of what to buy depends where you're buying it from (so you pay minimal or no shipping, no point in me giving you a Canadian supplier if you live in Sri Lanka), so feel free to post the website you're buying from, and we can offer a recommendation from there.
What RAM didn't work on your motherboard? That ASUS board is really common, and I'm having trouble believing that any big name RAM wouldn't work.
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I think my GTX 970 just died on me - problem is, I purchased the card as part of a built PC I got while I was in Korea (a year or so ago). Is there any way I can RMA the card or am I fucked? (its an MSI) Don't have a receipt for the card or anything like that (and I left the box in Korea).
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Their website isn't very clear:
Graphics Card
Warranty Term Remarks
Depending on territory Regional differences may apply. Please enquire with the original shops or our local offices.
might be able to do something w/ the serial number on the card
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Windows checkdisk finds nothing wrong, in the BIOS it says the status is normal, but with CrystalDiskInfo it doesn't find the disk (SSDs in raid0), so is there anything wrong?
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On February 07 2017 07:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 05:31 Hryul wrote:On February 07 2017 01:33 Ropid wrote:On February 06 2017 20:15 Hryul wrote:On February 06 2017 08:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:On February 06 2017 06:14 Hryul wrote:
What's the best plan if I want to upgrade my Asus P8P67 LE with 4 GB Ram?
Currently there are 2 Slots occupied.
I'm willing to spend up to 100€. Well you can't use DDR4 RAM, so I'd buy the cheapest (from a known brand) of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x4GB, and throw out your old RAM. (An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future ) Well there's the problem: is 1600 Mhz DDR3 2x4 enough of a spec to find me something? I already ordered some DDR3 RAM w/o looking properly at the supported Mobo section and had to send it back . . The section of the motherboard manual where they list supported memory kits, that's a list of products the motherboard manufacturer did test physically in your motherboard's model. It doesn't mean that everything not listed there won't work. You can't really use that list when buying something today. The list only has products that were sold five years ago or so. to make things worse, ASUS writes, that the mobo supports technology not released back then. Thus I thought: meh, will work fine. The RAM manufacturers also have lists with supported mobos. I suppose these lists are more accurate. It's just that I don't know which RAM to order. I was hoping someone here knew some specs to ease my search. Those are all the specs you need. There's like no other significant spec besides like... timings. But that doesn't really matter much at all, and seeing timings like 9-9-9-24 isn't even that useful, since there's like 50 other timing numbers that some manufacturers let you modify, and usually higher timings = lower clock-speeds, so it kind of evens out. Especially when it comes to DDR3 RAM, the improvements are so miniscule, that it really doesn't matter. The choice of what to buy depends where you're buying it from (so you pay minimal or no shipping, no point in me giving you a Canadian supplier if you live in Sri Lanka), so feel free to post the website you're buying from, and we can offer a recommendation from there. What RAM didn't work on your motherboard? That ASUS board is really common, and I'm having trouble believing that any big name RAM wouldn't work.
G.Skill F3-2400C10D-8GTX 
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sent the australian msi rma address an email, hopefully they will get back to me soon
EDIT: they got back to me and wont honor it 
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Hello, I've noticed that while gaming my memory usage is nearly capping out so I've decided to upgrade and just wanted to make sure what kind of ram is compatible with my mobo. My mobo is the ASRock P67 Pro3, and on the website it lists that it is compatible with "Dual Channel DDR3 2133(OC)"..
Am I correct in assuming that only these www.newegg.com sticks of RAM would work while these www.newegg.com will not?
Thanks for the help!
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That should imply that the motherboard supports DDR3 ram with frequencies up to 2133mhz, not that 2133mhz is the only compatible solution.
You should even be able to use ones that aren't listed or technically supported, but simply won't be utilized fully.
Either ought to be fine.
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Things will likely just work no matter what you buy, but not at the advertised speeds.
What CPU do you have? The CPUs from the same generation as your board had a 1066 MHz and a 1333 MHz standard speed for memory. Both of those memory kits you linked to are technically overclocking speeds.
The memory kits come with a set of different speed profiles programmed into them. The board will choose to run the memory at 1333 speed or so by default, then can be switched to the kit's advertised speed by enabling an "Intel XMP" (eXtreme Memory Profile) setting somewhere in the BIOS menus. You need an "unlocked" CPU which has a "K" at the end of its model number, for example an "i5-2500K" CPU. You can also be unlucky and it just won't work stable with your particular CPU and will only work at the default 1333 speed.
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To add to that, my anecdotal evidence shows that I can run 2133mhz memory just fine on a P67 with a fairly heavily OC'd 2600K, and it isn't an issue at all in spite of my ram being 1,65 volts as opposed to the 1,5 that is the norm for that generation, and it not explicitly being supported.
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I bought a computer, shortly after Intel Rapid Storage notified that there was a problem with one of the SSD (2 SSD in raid0). The status for the first SSD was "out of order" while the second was "normal".
It seemed to work so I manually changed the status to normal.
However I have some apps freezing without reason (can't do anything on the app and I have to kill the process): battle.net sometimes, OBS Studio a lot, and it happened to some others iirc.
Is this linked with the SSD warning? Should I bring the computer back even tho it's new?
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On February 08 2017 19:08 Poopi wrote:
I bought a computer, shortly after Intel Rapid Storage notified that there was a problem with one of the SSD (2 SSD in raid0). The status for the first SSD was "out of order" while the second was "normal".
It seemed to work so I manually changed the status to normal.
However I have some apps freezing without reason (can't do anything on the app and I have to kill the process): battle.net sometimes, OBS Studio a lot, and it happened to some others iirc.
Is this linked with the SSD warning? Should I bring the computer back even tho it's new?
You should, especially because it's new. Warranty is precisely for this kind of thing.
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On February 07 2017 20:24 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 07:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On February 07 2017 05:31 Hryul wrote:On February 07 2017 01:33 Ropid wrote:On February 06 2017 20:15 Hryul wrote:On February 06 2017 08:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:On February 06 2017 06:14 Hryul wrote:
What's the best plan if I want to upgrade my Asus P8P67 LE with 4 GB Ram?
Currently there are 2 Slots occupied.
I'm willing to spend up to 100€. Well you can't use DDR4 RAM, so I'd buy the cheapest (from a known brand) of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM, 2x4GB, and throw out your old RAM. (An example of where you're better off buying a stick of 4GB instead of 2x2GB so you can upgrade in the future ) Well there's the problem: is 1600 Mhz DDR3 2x4 enough of a spec to find me something? I already ordered some DDR3 RAM w/o looking properly at the supported Mobo section and had to send it back . . The section of the motherboard manual where they list supported memory kits, that's a list of products the motherboard manufacturer did test physically in your motherboard's model. It doesn't mean that everything not listed there won't work. You can't really use that list when buying something today. The list only has products that were sold five years ago or so. to make things worse, ASUS writes, that the mobo supports technology not released back then. Thus I thought: meh, will work fine. The RAM manufacturers also have lists with supported mobos. I suppose these lists are more accurate. It's just that I don't know which RAM to order. I was hoping someone here knew some specs to ease my search. Those are all the specs you need. There's like no other significant spec besides like... timings. But that doesn't really matter much at all, and seeing timings like 9-9-9-24 isn't even that useful, since there's like 50 other timing numbers that some manufacturers let you modify, and usually higher timings = lower clock-speeds, so it kind of evens out. Especially when it comes to DDR3 RAM, the improvements are so miniscule, that it really doesn't matter. The choice of what to buy depends where you're buying it from (so you pay minimal or no shipping, no point in me giving you a Canadian supplier if you live in Sri Lanka), so feel free to post the website you're buying from, and we can offer a recommendation from there. What RAM didn't work on your motherboard? That ASUS board is really common, and I'm having trouble believing that any big name RAM wouldn't work. G.Skill F3-2400C10D-8GTX
Meh, words are complicated. In my original question i wrote '...with 4 GB RAM'. I wanted to say, that currently I'm having 4 GB RAM not that I want 4 GB RAM.
Can I upgrade my Mobo with more? as the 8GB I used didn't work.
sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your answers FiWiFaKi
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Sorry for not replying earlier Hryul.
I understood that currently you have 4GB, you are able to go up to 32GB DIMM... So largest sticks you can use are 8GB, then after you get 2 sticks, you wont get any increased bandwidth, so for practical limitations, 16GB, though you could go up to 32GB but anyway, unnecessary and I'd worry a bit about stability issues because Windows 7 home would only support 16GB, and Windows 10 wasn't out yet when the board came out.
Either way, with your budget it's either going for 8GB of RAM, or 16GB, but that's a bit above your $100 mark.
While I would have expected that RAM to work, which is a bit of a surprise for me honestly (though I'm not completely surprised), because that are some hella weird specs. Natively you can't run 2400Mhz, your mobo can't even overclock your RAM that high, the timings are the strangest ones I've ever seen, and 1.65V compared to like every RAM, which has 1.5V.
If you go with something with a normal DDR3 RAM speed, so 1333Mhz 1600Mhz 1866Mhz, at 1.5V CL8 to C11 (first 3 timings are the same number) it will 99.999% work. Oh, I guess also make sure to get 240 pin RAM, but all RAM is going to be that unless you're accidently buying laptop memory or something.
My opinion for someone building a new computer today with the intention of using it for 5-7 years would be to get 16GB of RAM if they can afford it. Since you're using a ASUS P8P67 LE, which only supports PCIE 2.0, I think even if you get a 16GB of RAM, you'll be wanting to upgrade your computer in 3-4 years at the latest.
You're probably using a i5 2500 (total guess, so let's see if I'm close), which is still a decent processor, and would allow you to do things for the foreseeable future (current i5's are only 20-25% better). However in the next few years as game files are getting larger, you'll need to upgrade to an SSD in not too long if you haven't already, graphics cards have been making huge strides, DDR4 is quite a bit better than DDR3, etc.
So it depends on your exact specs, but my opinion is that 4GB is definitely not enough for modern usage, and you should upgrade that to 8GB. In 3-4 years you should probably look to buy a new computer, as seeing the current trends in the technology makes me think it wont be worth it to keep putting on band-aids to keep the hardware relevant for much longer. For 3-4 years more, 8GB of RAM is sufficient for non-professional usage.
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On February 08 2017 19:08 Poopi wrote:
I bought a computer, shortly after Intel Rapid Storage notified that there was a problem with one of the SSD (2 SSD in raid0). The status for the first SSD was "out of order" while the second was "normal".
It seemed to work so I manually changed the status to normal.
However I have some apps freezing without reason (can't do anything on the app and I have to kill the process): battle.net sometimes, OBS Studio a lot, and it happened to some others iirc.
Is this linked with the SSD warning? Should I bring the computer back even tho it's new?
Definitely. Things will only get worse with hardware failure.
Consider making a system image before taking it in (Windows has one built in, I use EaseUS Todo). It'll let you restore everything back to how you had it if you end up with new drive(s) and missing data.
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Are the freezes indeed caused by the SSD tho?
If so, why is windows checkdisk saying that the disk is ok?
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On February 09 2017 08:09 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Sorry for not replying earlier Hryul.
I understood that currently you have 4GB, you are able to go up to 32GB DIMM... So largest sticks you can use are 8GB, then after you get 2 sticks, you wont get any increased bandwidth, so for practical limitations, 16GB, though you could go up to 32GB but anyway, unnecessary and I'd worry a bit about stability issues because Windows 7 home would only support 16GB, and Windows 10 wasn't out yet when the board came out.
Either way, with your budget it's either going for 8GB of RAM, or 16GB, but that's a bit above your $100 mark.
While I would have expected that RAM to work, which is a bit of a surprise for me honestly (though I'm not completely surprised), because that are some hella weird specs. Natively you can't run 2400Mhz, your mobo can't even overclock your RAM that high, the timings are the strangest ones I've ever seen, and 1.65V compared to like every RAM, which has 1.5V.
If you go with something with a normal DDR3 RAM speed, so 1333Mhz 1600Mhz 1866Mhz, at 1.5V CL8 to C11 (first 3 timings are the same number) it will 99.999% work. Oh, I guess also make sure to get 240 pin RAM, but all RAM is going to be that unless you're accidently buying laptop memory or something.
My opinion for someone building a new computer today with the intention of using it for 5-7 years would be to get 16GB of RAM if they can afford it. Since you're using a ASUS P8P67 LE, which only supports PCIE 2.0, I think even if you get a 16GB of RAM, you'll be wanting to upgrade your computer in 3-4 years at the latest.
You're probably using a i5 2500 (total guess, so let's see if I'm close), which is still a decent processor, and would allow you to do things for the foreseeable future (current i5's are only 20-25% better). However in the next few years as game files are getting larger, you'll need to upgrade to an SSD in not too long if you haven't already, graphics cards have been making huge strides, DDR4 is quite a bit better than DDR3, etc.
So it depends on your exact specs, but my opinion is that 4GB is definitely not enough for modern usage, and you should upgrade that to 8GB. In 3-4 years you should probably look to buy a new computer, as seeing the current trends in the technology makes me think it wont be worth it to keep putting on band-aids to keep the hardware relevant for much longer. For 3-4 years more, 8GB of RAM is sufficient for non-professional usage.
Man, totally no need to apologize. You're the one doing me a huge favor here!
After it didn't work i looked at the "supported mobo" page for the RAM and my mobo is indeed not listed there. Not sure if that has a lot to say. I'll look through the specs you were providing on the weekend and order something with 8GB total.
You were really close, it's an i5 2400.
I will wait 2-3 years before I buy something completely new. Let's see if something comes out before that I just need to get my hands on.
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