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All the information is compiled in this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-general/890563-15-days-till-sandy-bridge-released.html
Looks like both the i5 and i7 version will hit 5+ghz on air alone. Pretty impressive.
I'm definitely upgrading from my 775 CPU.
Poll: Will you be upgrading?Not worth upgrading from current rig (96) 36% Yes! (71) 27% Nah, i'll wait for Bulldozer/Ivy Bridge (52) 20% Want to but can't (46) 17% 265 total votes Your vote: Will you be upgrading? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): Nah, i'll wait for Bulldozer/Ivy Bridge
(Vote): Want to but can't
(Vote): Not worth upgrading from current rig
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22nm hits 2012, much more interesting architecture from AMD comes out in 3-4 months
why wouldn't I wait a 3 or 4 months/year unless I really needed it?
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I don't think anyone actually needs 5+ ghz so I'm not gona be upgrading anytime soon
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yeah i got a new computer over the summer she runs great and was perfect for my budget, i can only hope the next time im looking to get a new comp in a few years that processors will be 1000x more powerful then this, but hey those are some impressive stats
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Yeah while I don't actually need it, the intriguing question is what kind of B&M discounts will Microcenter be running? I mean if the online price is $216 for the 2500K, what is Microcenter's price going to be?
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On December 26 2010 10:41 FragKrag wrote:
22nm hits 2012, much more interesting architecture from AMD comes out in 3-4 months
why wouldn't I wait a 3 or 4 months/year unless I really needed it?
Depends what you are currently running.
I still have an E6700, so im upgrading
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You're delusional if you think bulldozer is ready for a Q2 2011 launch. Availability hasn't even been announced, no performance numbers have been touted, and motherboards have yet to been sighted. Sampling has barely even started -_-
I'm upgrading to a 2500k from a E6750.
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On December 26 2010 11:08 skyR wrote:
You're delusional if you think bulldozer is ready for a Q2 2011 launch. Availability hasn't even been announced, no performance numbers have been touted, and motherboards have yet to been sighted. Sampling has barely even started -_-
I'm upgrading to a 2500k from a E6750.
Yeah AMD has been pretty good with their forum presence via "JF-AMD". Certainly different than how they handled the Barcelona launch (barf). That said, he's been pretty tight on information, or more importantly, relevant performance numbers. I mean, I can understand that they don't want to reveal anything to Intel, but SB is launching in just over 2 weeks now.
I've already expressed my frustration on the lack of information (and you'll probably see my posts in the H and XS threads lol).
I think the rosy sentiments for the Q2 launch is from this rumor pic:
http://www.rumorpedia.net/leaked-amd-roadmap-slides-bulldozer-comes-in-april/
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4679357&postcount=31
**added the XS thread link
Hmm reading the H thread, JF-AMD actually posted "Q2" in his Dec 20th post. Maybe that is giving more credit to that picture then...
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Yet AMD has always been tight on releasing information ...
Q2 is when Bulldozer is slated to launch. Whether it's going to be delayed is another story.
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the Sandy Bridge that will be released in the next 3 weeks will be the mainstream version.
if you want the performance enthusiast version , you gotta wait until Q3 of 2011 
the new i7 LGA2011 will be the shiznit, ill be upgrading from my P4 3.0GHz
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2500k/2600k here i come. cannotttttt wait.
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I held off getting an i7 870 from my E7500 for this. Either way waiting will be worth it.
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I have a E7200 and it still works okay, no need to upgrade until I absolutely need to.
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On December 26 2010 10:50 BROotogy wrote:
I don't think anyone actually needs 5+ ghz so I'm not gona be upgrading anytime soon
Its nice for ps2 emulation
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This is good news, I've been saving for a new pc the last 5 weeks and I've already banked £650 (abut $1000) so by the time these come out I'll have a cool £1000 ($1500) ready to go. Can't wait :D
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do these use the lga1155 socket?
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On December 26 2010 15:03 D3ath3nat0r wrote:
do these use the lga1155 socket?
yes.
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so new motherboards are going to come out with this right?
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On December 26 2010 15:05 D3ath3nat0r wrote:
so new motherboards are going to come out with this right?
Yes. P67 / H67 are being released with these processors.
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i think i'm gonna pass on this. my Q6600 is still doing pretty well.
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I only upgrade platforms when there is a >2x increase in performance... which I do not see coming from Sandy Bridge. For me it's Bulldozer or I'm staying with this computer for the long haul.
Past upgrades:
Prescott Celeron D 2.66GHz => Windsor Athlon 64 X2 4200+ => Kentsfield Q6600 @ 3.4GHz
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On December 26 2010 13:25 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2010 10:50 BROotogy wrote:
I don't think anyone actually needs 5+ ghz so I'm not gona be upgrading anytime soon Its nice for ps2 emulation
A i5 750 at stock settings can run pretty much run Dolphin and PCSX2 at 60 FPS at 1600x900, I can't see why you'd need anything more powerful seeing I think they're hard capped at 60 FPS anyway.
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I loved the intel core2 processors, so sad to have to upgrade from my q9550  ill stick with this for as long as i can though!
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I am going to build a new comp, should i get like an i5-750 or a sandy bridge?
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On December 26 2010 15:22 D3ath3nat0r wrote:
I am going to build a new comp, should i get like an i5-750 or a sandy bridge?
for a totally new one, sandy bridge all the way.....
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On December 26 2010 15:22 D3ath3nat0r wrote:
I am going to build a new comp, should i get like an i5-750 or a sandy bridge?
It'd be stupid at this point to get an i5 750 since you're in the US and Black Friday has already passed. There's only two more weeks until the official launch and many retailers already have this stuff in their warehouses ready to ship.
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No reason to buy any Intel CPU at the moment when new CPUs are just around the corner :p
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last upgraded 6 months ago , doubt i'll be upgrading again until starcraft 3 comes out
don't really play that many new games anymore anyway tbh
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I might upgrade. First I need a video card upgrade, then I'll decide whether my Q6600 will bottleneck the new card.
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My i5 will last me till 2014. I havent even OC'ed it to decent stable clockspeeds since I dont have a after market HFS and its currently pretty cold here. My idle temps on this thing is around 30C.
edit: Though I wouldve wanted to save till SB but couldnt give up on the deals.
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On December 26 2010 17:39 lqd wrote:
I might upgrade. First I need a video card upgrade, then I'll decide whether my Q6600 will bottleneck the new card.
Depending what you play...it will, probably. My e6700 is starting to bottleneck on most games. I have it at 3.3ghz and it goes 100% on both cores in almost everything, now.
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I would rather wait for Bulldozer. Has anyone not noticed what happens when intel get's cocky? 1000$ processors, that's what.
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On December 27 2010 12:28 GeneralZap wrote:
I would rather wait for Bulldozer. Has anyone not noticed what happens when intel get's cocky? 1000$ processors, that's what.
AMD fanboy much? Intel has had $1000 processors since their shitty pentiums.
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On December 26 2010 13:25 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2010 10:50 BROotogy wrote:
I don't think anyone actually needs 5+ ghz so I'm not gona be upgrading anytime soon Its nice for ps2 emulation
Or something really demanding, like Dwarf Fortress.
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DO WANT. I'm upgrading from a piece of shit laptop (purchased Sept 07) that can't even run Starcraft 2 on low.
(1.8 ghz dual core with integrated graphics)
I'll be getting a 2600k with a GTX 460 1 GB card most likely so from laggy low display to ULTRA display. Can't wait...
I'm waiting until after tax return though LOLZ... cause I'm broke
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So apparently Deviant from HWC picked up his 2600k and asus p67 on boxing day. He's got it at 4.2ghz @ 1.2v and max temp of 55c. Quite impressive =D
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1.2 v and 55c is nowhere near frying the processor... ahh man I can't wait >,<
I just need to file my tax return and then receive my e-refunds... which probably will not get to me until February FAIL :sad face:
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Is there anywhere where you can pre-order any sandy bridges processors or motherboards that are compatible with it?
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If it's really able to hit 5Ghz on air alone, I will be happy to replace my E6750 @3GHz. Counting from speed alone theoretically it will be 80% faster, really great.
Although I would pending it since I might need to buy a laptop next year, my PC can wait. Really have nothing to complain on it since I do less and less gaming nowadays, SB will be an overkill for my need in the foreseeable future.
Unless if my greed for speed will beat the sane me ^^
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On December 28 2010 18:30 Lone_Wolf wrote:
Is there anywhere where you can pre-order any sandy bridges processors or motherboards that are compatible with it?
I dunno about pre-ording, but on boxing day i picked up an i7-2600k as well as the matching ASUS P8P67 mobo at a local hardware store.
Unfortunately, half of my RAM is faulty.
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I am also planning to upgrade from my socket 775 system. Guess i will get the i5-2500k. But if it is not much more expensive maybe the i7-2600k. Both seem to perform great.
If i am not mistaken ivy bridge will also use socket 1155. So the system can be used for quite some time, maybe with an octa core later on? lets see
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I think it's nearly time for me to upgrade. I'm running the launch-model Core 2 Duo E6300 OC'ed to 3.29Ghz and it occasionally shows it's age nowadays. The 2500k looks like the one for me. Mmm...yummy.
Sooo....anybody want to buy a Core 2 Duo @ 3.29Ghz a Gigabyte motherboard and 8Gb of DDR2...?
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I wonder if this will be worth it or not from my i5 750.
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So, I tried reading the threaf but I don't understand a lot of the technical jargon.
Is this the new generation of CPUs and motherboards?
If so, I'm buying a new PC.
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On December 29 2010 04:49 SONE wrote:
I wonder if this will be worth it or not from my i5 750.
This will be more of a side-grade for existing core i5 / i7 owners.
On December 29 2010 05:30 LazyMacro wrote:
So, I tried reading the threaf but I don't understand a lot of the technical jargon.
Is this the new generation of CPUs and motherboards?
If so, I'm buying a new PC.
Yes this is a new generation of CPUs and motherboards.
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On December 29 2010 05:33 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 04:49 SONE wrote:
I wonder if this will be worth it or not from my i5 750. This will be more of a side-grade for existing core i5 / i7 owners. Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 05:30 LazyMacro wrote:
So, I tried reading the threaf but I don't understand a lot of the technical jargon.
Is this the new generation of CPUs and motherboards?
If so, I'm buying a new PC. Yes this is a new generation of CPUs and motherboards.
So, this means what currently are very good CPUs and motherboards will go down a little in price?
I'm basically looking to build a whole new PC, but I was waiting for new stuff to be released so that I could build a "value" PC, that is, a PC that is really good for the money.
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On December 29 2010 05:39 LazyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 05:33 skyR wrote:On December 29 2010 04:49 SONE wrote:
I wonder if this will be worth it or not from my i5 750. This will be more of a side-grade for existing core i5 / i7 owners. On December 29 2010 05:30 LazyMacro wrote:
So, I tried reading the threaf but I don't understand a lot of the technical jargon.
Is this the new generation of CPUs and motherboards?
If so, I'm buying a new PC. Yes this is a new generation of CPUs and motherboards. So, this means what currently are very good CPUs and motherboards will go down a little in price? I'm basically looking to build a whole new PC, but I was waiting for new stuff to be released so that I could build a "value" PC, that is, a PC that is really good for the money.
Motherboards will go down in price. Intel CPUS that go EOL (end of life) often never go down in price unless its at a micro center or a non major retailer.
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If have an i5 750, is it worth upgrading?
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On December 29 2010 05:56 Slakkoo wrote:
If have an i5 750, is it worth upgrading?
Only if you have the money to do so...
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On December 29 2010 05:56 Slakkoo wrote:
If have an i5 750, is it worth upgrading?
No. Sandy Bridge will be faster but its not worth it from the i5 750, which shouldn't have any issues with any game out right now.
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Yeah I'm still waiting on Techspot et al to update their CPU-scaling articles. The IPC advantage of the SB really depends on the game. Also the inpai numbers suggest a 20-25% advantage in IPC (which suggests a 4.2Ghz Lynnfield is required to match a 3.4Ghz Sandybridge). Pretty crazy, I know, but again, I am witholding that enthusiasm until I see those numbers corroborated by the majority of sites as well.
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I've been excited about sandy bridge but as it turns out my PC still handles stuff so I'll probably be waiting for whatever comes around early 2012
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I probably won't upgrade until the next generation of consoles arrives and/or developers start making more demanding games.
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Just a FYI for those who are interested, I managed to pick up an i7 2600 chip and P8P67 board on boxing day and so far it's been amazing. But that might not be saying much given that I'm coming from a macbook pro.
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If it was compatible with 1156 or 1366 sockets I would upgrade, but I'm not buying a new mobo & cpu for another .7-1GHz, not when a 4GHz i7 is more than enough for any game on the market atm. If you have an OC'ed i7 everything is video card bound anyways.
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Thought it'd be a good time to bump this with the reviews popping up. Strictly for the budget end though, the i3 Sandybridge at $117 is ridiculous:
It is a true next-gen dual-core. Not this Clarkdale nonsense, that was pure garbage.
The i3 2100 (Sandybridge) is the only dual-core I would recommend for SC2 builds as of today.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20188/6
At $117 it outclasses all other budget CPUs now. The Anandtech gaming page really puts this into perspective:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested/20
As for the other chips, it would have been nice to see a clock-for-clock comparison to OCed Lynnfield chips, but I think the [H] review will cover that. But for now, the TR and AT are good reviews to start reading.
PS - probably good time to update the Build Resource thread and plop that i3 2100 right into the $100 CPU section :D
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So apparently the integrated graphics (HD 3000) can run SC on low pretty easy. Would anyone recommend to anyone going after a 400-600 build to skip a graphics card for a month or two and pick up the i5 2500k over the i3?
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Really impressive performance in games. It is amazing how it gets more fps when you could think that it was limited by the GPU or something other than the CPU.
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The IPC increase is fairly subjective however, when we talk quad-cores. So far, I believe only TR is showing enough to compare the Lynnfields directly to the SBs at equal clock rates.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20188/6
The i7 875 is 2.93Ghz, as is the i3 2100.
The i7 970 is 3.2Ghz while the i5 2400 is 3.1Ghz and the i5 2500K 3.3Ghz.
All things considered, we are not looking at much of an IPC increase at all for SC2. We expected this, and now it's confirmed.
However, remember that SB's OC far easier than the Lynnfields. Considering we've seen air OCs from 4.5Ghz and up, even if the IPC increase isn't much, maybe 10% depending on application, the increased headroom makes the K-processors very compelling. Obviously the only one I would recommend is the $216, as it is the cheapest.
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There's really no reason to go higher than a i5 2500k if all you are going to do is play Starcraft 2.
i5 2500k obviously overclocked + 2 GTX 460 SLI + SSD to load the maps = BALLIN!
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I am more interested in the performance SB I hope for 8 core with 12-24GB ram, I should wait as we saw with i7 950 price dropped from 600$ to 300$. I recently ordered SSD 160GB intel drive still waitin for the delivery my rig is currently running e5200 @ 3,75GHz and it's slow as hell. But I hate to wait :S you wait for release then wait for price drop then the new technology come and the wait is huge...
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My i5-750/GTX460 setup should be good for another 3 years, especially when I eventually buy a better cooler and learn how to overclock the CPU. I kinda wish I waited though.
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Upgrading my q6600 would be a good upgrade, but there isn't anything I want to play that requires more power so I'll be waiting. Probably won't be any reason to upgrade until the next generation of consoles rolls out.
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On January 03 2011 17:04 mav451 wrote:The IPC increase is fairly subjective however, when we talk quad-cores. So far, I believe only TR is showing enough to compare the Lynnfields directly to the SBs at equal clock rates. http://techreport.com/articles.x/20188/6
Some very nice improvements on the min frames on a realistic test. Great to see.
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The i7 950 dropped in price because there wasn't much difference between the i7 920 and the 950, and because it's easy to overclock a 920 to the 950s speeds. The two chips are pretty much mechanically the same, and the price drop brought them much closer together financially as well.
You shouldn't wait for the enthusiast level products in hopes of future proofing a system, that's not what those products are designed for. I don't think we're going to get a chip that offers better value than the i5 2500k until Ivy, so that's what I'd recommend going for if you're looking for an upgrade. If you need hyperthreading for whatever reason, go with the i7 2600k, not with the enthusiast level i7s. Chances are you won't need the triple/quad channel ram from socket LGA 2011 mobos. Just like now with the Nehalem chips and the i5/7 2x00 series, the enthusiast level Sandy-Bridge chips will be outperformed by Ivy-Bridge's sweet spot, and the high level stuff will cost you pretty much the same as two generations of value setups.
Upgrading from LGA 1156 or 1366 is not recommended. I wouldn't consider upgrading from the Core2Quad Q6600 or Q9550 to SB either, but the Core2Duo lineup is outdated enough for me to recommend an upgrade. The i5 2500k will provide an easily noticable difference there. As for camp AMD, socket AM2/AM2+ processors in general are starting to age (with a few exceptions), and I wouldn't fault anyone for considering an upgrade.
Until we see results from Bulldozer, we can conclude that the i5 2500k will be the chip to get for any new sweet-spot build while the i3 2100 will battle with AMD's Athlon II x4 and Phenom II x4 series for budget gaming. I do expect a price drop for Phenom II x4s before Bulldozer ships.
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In tech, it's about the others making a mistake and with a brand new architecture, this was AMDs chance to have Intel stumble- just as they did with Pentium4.
(as did AMD by pissing off their best design team that kicked Intels ass with the K8 and x64)
Reading a couple of the reviews, Intel looks to keep on delivering with about the regular expected improvement. Not good, not bad.
Same story as always in other words- if you have the last generation or two no need to jump on the Sandy Bridge.
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NDA lifting this morning was a surprise to me =o
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On January 03 2011 20:01 Rouel wrote:
In tech, it's about the others making a mistake and with a brand new architecture, this was AMDs chance to have Intel stumble- just as they did with Pentium4.
(as did AMD by pissing off their best design team that kicked Intels ass with the K8 and x64)
Reading a couple of the reviews, Intel looks to keep on delivering with about the regular expected improvement. Not good, not bad.
Same story as always in other words- if you have the last generation or two no need to jump on the Sandy Bridge.
If you rate intel's releases are not good or bad just meh then amd must be shit, in terms of performance, efficiency, features and cost.
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I wonder if the hyperthreading on the 2600k makes much of a difference for streaming games.
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On January 04 2011 05:33 scottyyy wrote:
I wonder if the hyperthreading on the 2600k makes much of a difference for streaming games.
Hyperthreading definately helps reduce lag while playing and streaming at the same time. However, you will also need to make sure your internet supports the streaming rate or it will lag/be very blurry and pixelated.
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Hyper threading would only matter if the software you using to stream benefits from more threads, ie if it's coded for such work.
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Is there any way that the graphical capabilities of the bridge would compound with an actual graphics card, or no effect? I mean what purpose does this built-in gpu have if you already have a video card?
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On January 04 2011 07:40 Encrypto wrote:Is there any way that the graphical capabilities of the bridge would compound with an actual graphics card, or no effect? I mean what purpose does this built-in gpu have if you already have a video card?
There is no purpose. It's just disabled if its not in use.
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Out of curiosity, have the built in DRM fear rumors been substantiated at all? Supposedly theres remote PC disabling along with some sort of media DRM requested by Hollywood. The vast majority of articles I've read on it are against the chips with a blanket straw man argument of "DRM is bad", without going in depth about what the restrictions actually are. Has anyone seem a full list or a good description of exactly how restrictive the DRM is?
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On January 04 2011 05:25 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 20:01 Rouel wrote:
In tech, it's about the others making a mistake and with a brand new architecture, this was AMDs chance to have Intel stumble- just as they did with Pentium4.
(as did AMD by pissing off their best design team that kicked Intels ass with the K8 and x64)
Reading a couple of the reviews, Intel looks to keep on delivering with about the regular expected improvement. Not good, not bad.
Same story as always in other words- if you have the last generation or two no need to jump on the Sandy Bridge. If you rate intel's releases are not good or bad just meh then amd must be shit, in terms of performance, efficiency, features and cost.
Beyond cost, AMD's releases have been pretty...awful. They're adequate but just so far behind in performance that they don't really have a true high end consumer chip if you know what I mean. They're also awful for certain other things, like high end video game emulation, since they don't really support SSE4.2 (and other earlier instruction sets fully if I'm not mistaken) which helps performance greatly.
He's not incorrect though, unless you really need the processing power (and it does offer a lot) there isn't really any need to jump to Sandy Bridge immediately since basic programs and games are still run more than fine by last generation's hardware. Considering the amount of annoying issues we are bound to have with motherboards during launch (hi Foxconn bracket, Gigabyte BIOS issues, god awful Marvell SATA3 drivers, and non-NEC USB3 drivers), I'd probably wait a little while for stuff to calm down a bit before buying if I didn't need to upgrade immediately.
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Really Gigabyte BIOS issues? When I think of BIOS issues, the first thing that comes to mind is Asus, not Gigabyte. I've had two Asus mobos (2000 and 2003), but since then I have moved on.
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On January 04 2011 08:42 Volshok wrote:
Out of curiosity, have the built in DRM fear rumors been substantiated at all? Supposedly theres remote PC disabling along with some sort of media DRM requested by Hollywood. The vast majority of articles I've read on it are against the chips with a blanket straw man argument of "DRM is bad", without going in depth about what the restrictions actually are. Has anyone seem a full list or a good description of exactly how restrictive the DRM is?
No, it's nothing new. I assume what the articles are talking about (since they're all shit articles that tell you nothing and probably came from The Inq) is PAVP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavp ). Which is basically closely related to HDCP or TXT or something which has been around forever. Additionally, it's disabled on P67 systems which is what most enthusiasts will probably run (i.e., the people who would probably give a shit/know what PAVP means). Essentially it's nothing new and tabloid journalism with articles that tell you nothing decided was a slow news day and this was a good thing to scare people with.
The remote kill switch needs to be activated by the user as far as I know, and it kills the processor in case of theft. Unless you run around in a tin foil hat, you don't need to worry about someone doing this to the computer you bought. However, I don't really know Intel's logic behind this as the thief would probably just sell the computer if it stopped working or if he was after your data just take out the hard drive.
I don't particularly agree with either of these things, but they're not anything new. It's not going to make it so if you steal a film, some Hollywood goon shows up on your door. It's not going to make it so some totalitarian force can kill all your processors because they feel like it. A new AV protection scheme in a processor is nothing new and they claim the kill switch was requested by some consumers (although I still do not see its purpose) so they do, at least, have reasons for this.
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wow %#*%@% microcenter. $40 cheaper than everywhere else!
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2500k and 2600k yummy esp the 2600k that thing shits out performance like it's not even trying esp when you can push it past 4Ghz pretty easy and hit 5Ghz if you get very lucky.
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So I get that the H67 will allow for the integrated graphics to work while while P67 will not. I have also seen that the P67 has better overclocking capabilities. Is there any more information on this? Can the H67 overclock at all? I was hoping to skip on a video card for a month or two to keep my budget lower but not if it results in a motherboard that can't overclock my CPU.
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On January 05 2011 07:36 holynorth wrote:
So I get that the H67 will allow for the integrated graphics to work while while P67 will not. I have also seen that the P67 has better overclocking capabilities. Is there any more information on this? Can the H67 overclock at all? I was hoping to skip on a video card for a month or two to keep my budget lower but not if it results in a motherboard that can't overclock my CPU.
H67 can not overclock at all (even if you have a K chip, it's not possible).
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On January 05 2011 07:36 holynorth wrote:
So I get that the H67 will allow for the integrated graphics to work while while P67 will not. I have also seen that the P67 has better overclocking capabilities. Is there any more information on this? Can the H67 overclock at all? I was hoping to skip on a video card for a month or two to keep my budget lower but not if it results in a motherboard that can't overclock my CPU.
H67 supports overclocking for memory/graphics. You cannot overclock the processor. Additionally, you need to get something from the K series Sandy Bridge for overclocking. You need a P67 chipset and a processor from the K-series for any meaningful overclocking.
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Bulldozer ftw
User was warned for this post
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On January 05 2011 17:20 LuNaLiSK wrote:
Bulldozer ftw
Two word posts... awesome.
Anyways keeping on topic: I've been reading a lot of posts that people are easily getting 5+ GHz on their 2500ks and 2600ks on air. The most shocking thing though I thought was the fact that Anandtech got the new Sandy Bridge processors to 4.4 GHz off the STOCK COOLER. It's not the pos stock cooler like on the i5 760 it's actually a better attempt of a overclocking CPU fan.
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On January 05 2011 17:20 LuNaLiSK wrote:
Bulldozer ftw
Please don't post like this ever again...
In the words of Kyle Bennett from HardOPC
4. He trolled my review post with a fucking stupid picture of a bulldozer......yeah, keep on dreaming fanboy. I have more faith in the world ending in 2012 than I do AMD pulling off an Intel killer.
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lol at $369 MSRP for 2600k. anandtech has $317 for unit price in their review. isnt there some law against marking up the regular price to advertise a higher discount price? :p
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Holy. Fuckin. Shit. For $180 you can get a 4.4 Ghz quad. Time to upgrade from my E6750, been holding my 5870 down for too long.
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Those are the preview prices of their online prices for January 9th. You can't purchase them now =\ We already know that the core i7 2600k will go for $320 as Frys and Canada Computer have been selling them for quite a while.
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That's typical price gouging, one or two weeks after release it usually falls back down to msrp.
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Lol I can't tell if you guys are joking or not. MC just made up a number for their advertisement, but they are the only retailer selling for below MSRP. Are you guys not subtracting the "instant in-store savings"?
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Microcenter somehow always has cheap intel cpu deals. They had the i7 920 for 170 once (in store only) when everyone else was selling for 240+. That is a legit deal btw.
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So gonna buy a 2500k next week, finally time to get rid of my Athlon 64 X2 3800+ build
Already got all my other parts this week
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3800+ 939? cpu ddr1 ram, i'm sure you'll see a very noticeable improvement.
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dual core, am2, ddr2 ram
still gonna be huge :p
or to be more precise I'm moving from:
Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Radeon 3650
2 GB DDR2 Ram
Windows XP
to:
i5-2500k
Radeon 6850
4 GB DDR3 Ram
OCZ Vertex Extended 120 GB SSD
Windows 7
so yeah
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Yup that should be very night and day for you in every aspect.
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On January 06 2011 05:54 Carnac wrote:
or to be more precise I'm moving from:
Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Radeon 3650
have you even played sc2? :p
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Jan 9th feels like so far away T_T
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Appears the motherboard not to get is Gigabyte as they're the only motherboard designer to not implement some form of EFI at all.
Looking around, looks like MSI and Asus currently have the strongest offerings, with Asus being the only ones implementing the benefits of EFI in any sort of meaningful way.
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On January 06 2011 14:07 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 05:54 Carnac wrote:
or to be more precise I'm moving from:
Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Radeon 3650 have you even played sc2? :p
I dunno if you're joking, but I know I sure can't play SC2.
I gave up trying on my laptop because I would literally get like 1 FPS on low while playing SC2 so I've just been playing Brood War.
I'm currently on a dual core 1.6 GHz intel centrino duo laptop with integrated graphics... yeah I bought it over 3 years ago and I was in a rush to buy a computer... fail on my part.
*When I do my taxes and receive my tax refund though... hello sandy bridge
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I am with a Pentium 4 @1,8 LOL so I should upgrade to sandy bridge asap.
also this mornin I read about Samsung DDR4 RAM, it wont be released this year but isnt so much the worth to wait it, gotta wait if bulldozer will be compatible with it.
If you have a really old rig like mine the upgrade is a must but probably if you guys has i5-750 and so on you shouldnt upgrade, if you haz the $ do it 
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computers are upgrading faster then we can utilize them lol (at least 99% of the population)
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Hey guys could someone explain to me how the i5 2500k is outperforming the i7 in some of the tests? Is it that the tests are not done thouroughly with averages ect so are prone to be out by a bit?
Edit also is the i5 2500k now a better buy than the 1090t? In the UK atleast it is cheaper i think. Also anyone think the unlocked version is a better buy?
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On January 06 2011 22:14 Pure.Calm wrote:
Hey guys could someone explain to me how the i5 2500k is outperforming the i7 in some of the tests? Is it that the tests are not done thouroughly with averages ect so are prone to be out by a bit?
Edit also is the i5 2500k now a better buy than the 1090t? In the UK atleast it is cheaper i think. Also anyone think the unlocked version is a better buy?
The main difference between the 2600k and the 2500k is that the 2600k has hyperthreading and the other doesn't. If the application doesn't make use of these extra threads then the CPUs are going to be closer in performance. If a 2500k is overclocked higher than a 2600k and the app doesn't use hyperthreading, it's not impossible for it to perform better.
The unlocked version is definitely a better buy. It's stupidly easy to overclock these CPUs to 4.4GHz+.
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On January 06 2011 14:07 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 05:54 Carnac wrote:
or to be more precise I'm moving from:
Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Radeon 3650 have you even played sc2? :p
Sure.
2v2 is terrible starting from midgame tho
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On December 26 2010 15:16 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2010 13:25 Saturnize wrote:On December 26 2010 10:50 BROotogy wrote:
I don't think anyone actually needs 5+ ghz so I'm not gona be upgrading anytime soon Its nice for ps2 emulation A i5 750 at stock settings can run pretty much run Dolphin and PCSX2 at 60 FPS at 1600x900, I can't see why you'd need anything more powerful seeing I think they're hard capped at 60 FPS anyway.
Umm it is capped at 60 FPS if you want real time. If you want faster than real time you can go far beyond that. Going past real time is quite helpful in many games where there are long wait screens between segments since the ps2 had to load them and your pc instantly loads them yet still has those screens. Or when just replaying the game again and wanting to skip dialogues and in game cinematics. Or when starting the game to load instead of loading a preset, skipping the intros and so on.
At least I often found usage of going above real time. I could only go up to 1.6 times real time in the persona game that really needed speeding up using my very slightly overclocked i7 920. Mostly since it didn't support using more than 2 cores.
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NCIX has SKUs up. $369 for 2600k and $256 for 2500k... #%@^ing stupid ncix always price gouging at launch.
On January 06 2011 22:23 scottyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 22:14 Pure.Calm wrote:
Hey guys could someone explain to me how the i5 2500k is outperforming the i7 in some of the tests? Is it that the tests are not done thouroughly with averages ect so are prone to be out by a bit?
Edit also is the i5 2500k now a better buy than the 1090t? In the UK atleast it is cheaper i think. Also anyone think the unlocked version is a better buy?
The main difference between the 2600k and the 2500k is that the 2600k has hyperthreading and the other doesn't. If the application doesn't make use of these extra threads then the CPUs are going to be closer in performance. If a 2500k is overclocked higher than a 2600k and the app doesn't use hyperthreading, it's not impossible for it to perform better. The unlocked version is definitely a better buy. It's stupidly easy to overclock these CPUs to 4.4GHz+.
2500k performs better than the 2600k because hyperthreading puts it at a disadvantage. This has already been proven in benchmarks over the years.
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It's time, people! Sandy bridge is out!
Tigerdirect, Newegg and other places have em up. Still waiting for the good ol ncix
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I don't know what to think about Sandy Bridge. Just wondering how they will compare against x58 systems (with the i7 950's) etc.
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On January 09 2011 14:47 FreekSharkHD wrote:
I don't know what to think about Sandy Bridge. Just wondering how they will compare against x58 systems (with the i7 950's) etc.
No point upgrading from a LGA 1366, otherwise it will trash everything else pretty handily.
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Just ordered a 2500k and a P8P67 (= Should be here Tuesday!
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When it comes out and Phenoms drop, I'll buy a Thuban or 975. :D
Actually, I'd rather get a SSD. I've heard it's tons better.
Wait. Keyboard first.
Agh. Too many things to upgrade.
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On January 06 2011 17:51 Womwomwom wrote:
Appears the motherboard not to get is Gigabyte as they're the only motherboard designer to not implement some form of EFI at all.
Looking around, looks like MSI and Asus currently have the strongest offerings, with Asus being the only ones implementing the benefits of EFI in any sort of meaningful way.
does this matter at all to the average user? I have a gigabyte in my cart at newegg right now.. just wondering
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On January 09 2011 15:31 BraveGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 17:51 Womwomwom wrote:
Appears the motherboard not to get is Gigabyte as they're the only motherboard designer to not implement some form of EFI at all.
Looking around, looks like MSI and Asus currently have the strongest offerings, with Asus being the only ones implementing the benefits of EFI in any sort of meaningful way. does this matter at all to the average user? I have a gigabyte in my cart at newegg right now.. just wondering
Well EFI not only brings the mouse support in the BIOS but it enables you to boot from HDDs bigger than 2tb. It's a nice feature to have but not necessary unless you plan on spending everyday in the BIOS. I'd expect Gigabyte to have EFI in a few months.
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EFI is important because it has much better boot and POST times. Its why Macs running Win7 have always booted faster than PCs running the same operating system.
The motherboards are the same prices, there isn't any reason to pick an "obsolete" product when the others aren't really any more expensive.
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not bad prices from newegg, anandtech as $216 unit price for 2500k. selling for $230 ... and p8p67 pro for $190, not bad at all
(cad prices)
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not all the processors and motherboards are available yet. will probably have to wait a bit for those to start trickling in.
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I guess this really comes down to EFI vs. regular BIOS. I say this only b/c the cheapest, combo at MC uses the UD3 Gigabyte mobo. MC updated their splash page today with bundle deals (scroll to bottom).
http://www.microcenter.com/storefronts/powerspec/index.html
You are basically getting $30, $40, $30 savings over Newegg mobo prices. So I would actually suggest buying both CPU/Mobo at MC if you can. Normally I've only bought CPUs there (e.g. e8400 launch, i5 750 launch), but these combos are ridiculous.
So looking at say the Gigabyte bundle, that's easily $80 savings over Newegg when you combine CPU and mobo savings, +/- with your local tax rates. However, I would consider MC a "same-day shipping", since you are basically walking out with it ready to build. And, obviously, should a return/exchange be required, you have the convenience of a B&M.
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So jealous of people who live near a MC...
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On January 09 2011 15:26 Blisse wrote:
When it comes out and Phenoms drop, I'll buy a Thuban or 975. :D
why a 975? When it comes out, there will still be cheaper denebs capable of the same clock rates.
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On January 10 2011 07:56 Toobz wrote:
So jealous of people who live near a MC...
I live near MC but still couldn't get one on the 9th.
I reserved it online, but I guess others reserved it before me.
I had to backorder a 2600k D:
Unsure when it'll arrive though
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Also ordered all my stuff for a new System with a 2500k.
Hopefully it will arrive until the weekend, but not sure if the shops are fast enough.
Really looking forward to that
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I already have an i7 920 OCed to 4ghz. The performance differences just aren't there enough for me to buy a new mobo and CPU.
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www.scan.co.uk prices seem slightly better, but yeah  .
Ordered my mobo/cpu/ram today, hopefully it'll get here by Wednesday!
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I'm running an i7 920, so no pressing reason to upgrade atm. If they didn't have a different socket, I might have upgraded anyway... I wish they didn't change the socket so often.
Anyone have one of the new processors yet? done any tests, have any 'testimonials'?
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im waiting for LGA2011...thats gonna be the shiznit
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If you get a Sandy Bridge, you should avoid ASUS boards for now - there seems to be a lot of trouble with them (nearly no RAM working together with them flawlessly if even at all). Sadly I had to experience that firsthand before reading about it ;(
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Built two systems with Asus boards, both work fine with two different brands of RAM (certified for P67). Are you setting the memory profile to XMP so the board knows what voltage to supply?
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On January 17 2011 20:18 TBO wrote:
If you get a Sandy Bridge, you should avoid ASUS boards for now - there seems to be a lot of trouble with them (nearly no RAM working together with them flawlessly if even at all). Sadly I had to experience that firsthand before reading about it ;(
I got a 2600k, Asus p8p67 Pro with Corsair ram and everything works fine :o.
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Got mine on saturday. Sadly one of the screws for my scythe mugen 2 got screwed up, so i am running on stock cooling right now. Not as silent as i would like it to be right now, but damn fast .
In 4on4 i got down to 1-10 FPS in big fights, now i can do ~100-200 on low. But maybe i put some stuff on high or ultra now.
I got a AsRock P67 Pro3 and some cheap ADATA 1333 Memory. Works perfectly.
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ASUS P8P67 Deluxe might be getting recalled. It's been deactivated on Newegg. I got a P8P67 and I've experienced problems with it too unfortunately. A2 and B2 dimms as suggested in the manual for best compatibility doesn't work =\
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ASUS has a history of having dead ram slots ><
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Yeah I'm following the [H] thread on the SB boards. I expect Asus has its early adopter quirks...as expected. Then there's the hilarious socket burning thread on XS for the GB boards. *shrug*
IMO, it will probably end up being insignificant for most. I got scared by that in 2009 with my P55-UD3R...but then I realized my OCs are so tame (3.6Ghz at 1.21vcore), that it never became an issue. Heck, someone else with my board was running 4Ghz at a much higher voltage, LLC on, and they saw nothing after checking their socket at least 4 times. So I'd expect the same in this go-round, keep your voltage reasonable (e.g. below 1.4core on the SB)
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On January 17 2011 21:18 R1CH wrote:
Built two systems with Asus boards, both work fine with two different brands of RAM (certified for P67). Are you setting the memory profile to XMP so the board knows what voltage to supply?
Turned out it was just the board as such which was faulty... got a replacement at the shop I bought it and now it works flawlessly.
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I wouldn't worry about it for most people.
Just move your main hdd's onto the 2x sata 6.0 ports that are likely to be on the board as sata 6.0 does take 3.0 drives without a hitch there shouldn't be an issue and that would cover most people. If you're like me and run 6 hdd's on your computer for various reasons then you may be worried but you're more likely to notice an issue so i guess the glass is half full?
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got a i3 2300 with a gygabyte mb, 4gb ram corsair 1600mhz, corsair 750W and a gygabyte HD 6800!
everything on ultra with 1900 res and works super fine!
i'm very very happy ;D
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I hope people are aware of this. That sounds really bad.
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I did create a topic on this so more people can see it
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On February 01 2011 05:06 cHaNg-sTa wrote:I hope people are aware of this. That sounds really bad.
Not really intel will pay for the rma's in a few months once they get the process worked out. but the problem doesn't even cause data loss it's a performance loss in like 3 4 years of moderate use. The problem isn't that large and horrible for a consumer but it is an issue.
what happens is the performance degrades as the BER climbs on that port which causes the SATA controller to eventually start resending data/commands because they never made it to the HDD. Over time the BER gets so bad that it can no longer talk to the HDD at all. It's assuming, but they make it sound like you could just move it to another SATA II port and that would work for awhile.
Basically, the simplified explanation is that there are 2 disk drive controllers on the P67/H67 motherboards, controlling a total of 6 "SATA" disk drive ports (usable for Hard Drives, Solid State Drives, and CD/DVD Drives). 2 of the ports are higher speed SATA-III (6 Gigabit/second) and are unaffected by this issue. 4 of the ports are on lower speed SATA-II (3 Gigabit/second) and will slowly degrade over time. Degrade in this case being defined as "will show data transfer error and retry, resulting in longer and longer data access times, until eventually the drive on the controller will drop off as a detected device". The DRIVES themselves are not damaged, they can be installed and recognized and used as normal if shifted to a working controller/port. The fault appears to happen in 5-15% of the affected motherboards (depending on usage) over a 1-3 year period. Or much more often as is being reported by RAID users (where the drives are strung together to make one virtual drive, with a much higher read/write activity quotient). Official response from various PC vendors has been "Keep using your system, move to a SATA-III port if you can, and once the supply chain catches up around about April, return your motherboard for an exchange". Unless you're a heavy data I/O user, RAID user, this issue is unlikely to affect you at all in the short term. (Disclaimer, I am not a Maingear, Intel, Newegg, or other retailer employee, I'm a volunteer tech over at the Newegg customer tech support forums) There's a very strong knee-jerk return trend being observed in the field, that's why I'm trying to stress that the average user/owner will not certainly encounter this issue during a normal PC service lifetime. This is NOT a formal recall of all parts, but pc part vendors are generally honoring returns in good faith because there are no current parts in the pipeline that are free of this issue. If you have some patience, some technical common sense, and not a little bit of faith, you can make sure you are unaffected by this issue in the short term - and in the long term, all will be made good. Yeah it's a hassle, yeah nobody likes it, but if you have a working system, it's not going to just magically go poof and die on you overnight. You WILL see speed degradation over time as a symptom. You CAN switch ports to work around the issue (a $25 PCIE SATA controller works pretty well too). This is by no means a fatally flawed platform. Relevant Data: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20030052-1.html?tag=river
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I just got done putting my new system together a few days ago.
What a shame. The CPU is insanely fast compared to my old e8400. Runs very cold too with a noctua nh-d14 on it.
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I'd probably call up the people who you bought it from and ask about the rma and warranty process to see if you can hold off on returning it for a new one just until intel acutally stocks people up with the revision of the chip instead of going for a few months without a system. I mean it's easiest to rma it from the distributor but it would still be under warranty with the manufacture which for some companies can be just horrible.
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lolz all the newegg Sandy Bridge items are deactivated.
So much for building my computer with my Tax refund. *sigh*
By the time they fix this shit Bulldozer might be out... I might just go AMD
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haha that's what I was gonna due build my computer with tax refund lol. But with this going on might just wait and see how bulldozer does. ^^
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Bulldozer won't be ready for a Q2 launch. Keep dreaming I guess =\
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Ya I know well it's intended for the end of Q2 but i'll go either way i'm not amd neither intel favored.
I don't really do much except games and I really loved the 2500k performance in games so I might just wait for new chipset around april.
Well see
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On February 01 2011 08:38 skyR wrote:
Bulldozer won't be ready for a Q2 launch. Keep dreaming I guess =\
I'm gonna be sad if they miss the "early summer" date. Those were the CEO's own words from the January 2011 Q&A - they can't miss the launch date now, right? 
JF-AMD keeps insisting that BD is still good for Q2 release, which is probably the only thing keep me positive about a June release.
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On February 01 2011 07:16 HyperLimen wrote:I just got done putting my new system together a few days ago. What a shame. The CPU is insanely fast compared to my old e8400. Runs very cold too with a noctua nh-d14 on it.
x2
also upgraded from a 8500, and it does run insanely cool even with much worse of a cooler (artic 7 rev pro )
was too good to be true!!
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I don't see this being a problem for most people already with the defective part, as long as they know what's up. Sure, there's a wrong transistor getting the wrong voltage in some legacy part of the PLL circuit for the SATA 3.0 Gbps ports, but the problem develops slowly over time.
I'd guess that most people don't use more than two SATA ports more than somewhat frequently anyway. If you've got one hard drive and an optical drive, you're good to go on the two SATA 6.0 Gbps ports that have no issues. If you have two hard drives and use an optical drive rarely, you'd put the two hard drives on the two SATA 6.0 Gbps ports and the optical drive on a SATA 3.0 Gbps port, where you'd never realistically develop an issue over the lifespan of using that motherboard.
If you have more drives than that, it's somewhat likely you have a higher-end motherboard with additional SATA ports on top of what the 6 series chipset provides. And if not, PCI-E SATA controllers are not expensive anyway.
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It rarely effects the people who would be most prone to it. Power users still are on the x58 platform waiting for lga 2011 those are the people who usually have 8 hdd's and way to much time on their hands.
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nothing like a 300 million dollar mistake...in the first month of launch.
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Hmmm I don't know too much about computer hardware, but I know the basics I guess.
When I get my paycheck friday I think I should be able to splurge and finish building my computer. I have a 750W PSU as well as my HDD and GPU, so now I'm trying to pick out a CPU and MOBO and I wouldn't mind splurging in order to get this build to last a while so I wanted to get a sandy bridge i7. I'm planning on OCing it (@5Ghz with air flow ideally, if my PSU can handle it?)
What I'm looking for:
Well priced Canadian site(s) that can offer me an unlocked i7 SB that I can OC. I still need a new MOBO too, so it needs to be compatible with it as well as my Radeon 5770 HD and SATA-3G HDD, although I'm more concerned about picking the processor first.
So unless I'm mistaken this is practically what I'm looking for:
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57960&vpn=BX80623I72600K&manufacture=Intel
the only thing bugging me is the price. NCIX usually has pretty good prices and is even located here in B.C., but this seems pretty expensive compared to american sites I see. Should I just order one from an american site if I can't find a good canadian one and pay the extra shipping? The dollar is pretty even right now afaik.
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@purecarnagge
It's a billion dollar mistake. 700 million to fix it, 300 million in lost revenue.
@Grobyc
You won't be able to purchase Sandybridge until late February / March as all the motherboards are being pulled from the retail channel.
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Ahh thanks for the heads up. I guess I'll follow this thread for any updates and wait on finishing my computer.
Side note: any idea on how high I will be able to OC it once I get it? With this PSU will I be bottlenecked by my PSU before I would need to resort to a new means of cooling?
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No you won't be bottlenecked by the PSU. You can reach 5ghz @ 1.4v - 1.5v easily on air but of course I wouldn't recommend this kind of overclock for 24/7 use.
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Oh cool, I shouldn't be using it too much anyways, but I might end up going 4.6Ghz or something anyway just to be safe. Thanks
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So what's up with this supposed silicon fix anyway? Would this be something we could do ourselves if we are able to get a defect through some means?
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nope it's a different laying over the chip to prevent the rapid degradation of the part that controls the sata 3.0 ports, it's basically a slightly different chip i think the chip revision is B3 not sure. It's suppose to already be done and oem's should already be receiving them but it will be probably until the 1st week of march before it trickles down to retailers. A "fix" for it is to buy a 10-20 buck sata controller and just not use sata 3.0 ports. Not really a fix it's just avoiding the problem.
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