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On July 16 2014 09:38 Nimix wrote:
Man the new zowie FK1 looks sexy. Zowie FK shape with a 3310 sensor.. Now that I'm playing lots of CS I may consider that, anybody having heard of problems/downsides about it?
That must be brand new, I wasn't aware it was available until now. Assuming that they fixed the coating issue they had with the 2014 fk, it should be a very solid mouse.
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On July 16 2014 09:33 Cyro wrote:DPI doesn't improve control. DPI is a measure of how many counts your mouse makes per inch of movement, so if you run 1:1 counts to pixels movement (which you should do) then on a 1080 pixel high screen (1080p), it takes one inch of vertical movement to move top to bottom of the screen with 1080dpi, two inches at 540dpi
But any solution to the left ring finger pains?
suggested mouse/ mouse shape/size?
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On July 17 2014 05:50 yido wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 09:33 Cyro wrote:Mainly I want to find a mouse with a high dpi (high dpi = better control?) DPI doesn't improve control. DPI is a measure of how many counts your mouse makes per inch of movement, so if you run 1:1 counts to pixels movement (which you should do) then on a 1080 pixel high screen (1080p), it takes one inch of vertical movement to move top to bottom of the screen with 1080dpi, two inches at 540dpi But any solution to the left ring finger pains? suggested mouse/ mouse shape/size?
Check out stretching exercises for hands and arms until you find one you like. I think the issue can really originate at any point between hand and neck so maybe even stretch the neck. I believe this here helps me (though might be placebo of course):
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Hitting the gym and lifting also seemed to help when I did that for a while (might also be placebo).
I believe small mice help me with my pain. My theory about that is that the large ergonomically shaped mice force the hand into a certain grip while a tiny mouse allows the brain to automatically change and vary the grip when detecting strain.
EDIT: Also... make sure you look up the rules about how you should sit with regards to the angles of the wrist and the table and chair height and other boring office work ergonomics stuff.
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On July 17 2014 06:21 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 05:50 yido wrote:On July 16 2014 09:33 Cyro wrote:Mainly I want to find a mouse with a high dpi (high dpi = better control?) DPI doesn't improve control. DPI is a measure of how many counts your mouse makes per inch of movement, so if you run 1:1 counts to pixels movement (which you should do) then on a 1080 pixel high screen (1080p), it takes one inch of vertical movement to move top to bottom of the screen with 1080dpi, two inches at 540dpi But any solution to the left ring finger pains? suggested mouse/ mouse shape/size? Check out stretching exercises for hands and arms until you find one you like. I think the issue can really originate at any point between hand and neck so maybe even stretch the neck. I believe this here helps me (though might be placebo of course): + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ8kRMSLxz0 Hitting the gym and lifting also seemed to help when I did that for a while (might also be placebo). I believe small mice help me with my pain. My theory about that is that the large ergonomically shaped mice force the hand into a certain grip while a tiny mouse allows the brain to automatically change and vary the grip when detecting strain. EDIT: Also... make sure you look up the rules about how you should sit with regards to the angles of the wrist and the table and chair height and other boring office work ergonomics stuff.
Thanks. I do stretch regularly around an hour between when doing heavy computer work.
While I am not the most fit person in the world, I am a pretty active person (lifting, golfing, regular archery).
I am looking at the cheaper Razer mice like Abyssus or Deathadder.
I was wondering if one or the other has a clear difference in right ring finger support.
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DA gave me a lot of pain because it was hard to grip (long and heavy, coupled with dragging on mousepad due to bad feet and the bad materials on the shell) - 2013 version is a bit better, but far from "fixed"
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Thinking of getting a new mouse to replace my old Logitech MX518. Any suggestions? I use the palm grip and would like a mouse that uses an ergonomic design because I use it on a daily basis outside of gaming as well. I remember reading somewhere that optical mouses are better than laser mouses for gaming?
I see that for the ~$40 price range, the CM Storm Xornet/Spawn and Logitech 100S are recommended? The 100S doesn't have the forward and back button that I use on a daily basis though so that's out.
Also anyone know what Polt uses?
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On July 17 2014 10:19 geokilla wrote:
I see that for the ~$40 price range, the CM Storm Xornet/Spawn and Logitech 100S are recommended? The 100S doesn't have the forward and back button that I use on a daily basis though so that's out.
Also anyone know what Polt uses?
Polt uses the cm storm spawn.
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The xornet/spawn and g100s are not palm grip mice though, they're all fingertip/claw. My hand is like twice as long as the xornet/spawn shell so i hold my palm behind/over it and only touch with fingertips, but some people use a bit of palm contact - i just don't think you can use a typical palm grip with higher levels of contact with it
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On July 17 2014 08:35 Cyro wrote:
DA gave me a lot of pain because it was hard to grip (long and heavy, coupled with dragging on mousepad due to bad feet and the bad materials on the shell) - 2013 version is a bit better, but far from "fixed"
It seems to be very popular with the fps crowd though.
Some people used to swear it was THE best mouse back when I still played CS (2007ish)
I have larger hands than most (not sure because they are definitely medium compared to neighborhood/gym friends but huge compared to the people I used to play fps with).
It is kind of strange as it is only my left ring finger that gives me pain. Also it is only when I use the mouse extensively like in gaming (not when typing which I do most of the time at work).
I assume Abyssus has similar problems/ that size.
I believe my pain stems from the dip at the bottom of the mouse inwards. (kinda difficult to explain but the link I provided before with the pictures should do the job)
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Well FPS is very different.
I had no problems using my Deathadder for FPS at a sensitivity of ~half a meter for a 360 turn.
I had massive problems using deathadder for sc2/osu/league at say 1.5 inches to cross the vertical height of the screen (~600-800dpi 1920x1080)
My grip and mouse usage was completely different, but the second one didn't work comfortably or effectively.
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Looking to get a new mouse. I had a steelseries sensei (big one) and then upgraded to the 2013 deathadder. The deathadder just crapped out on me, the left forward button on the side gets stuck often and renders me unable to do much when it gets stuck.
Looking to get a new mouse, any suggestions? The deathadder was great while it worked, as was the sensei. But, I like new experiences so I'd like to get a different mouse. Any recommendations? I have very large hands, so the end of my palm normally touches the back of the mouse/rests on the mousepad, and my fingers are almost clawing at the tip, but not quite a full claw grip.
Edit: I also play mostly RTS and mobas (with some hearthsone inbetween) if that makes any difference. I don't touch FPS.
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On July 17 2014 23:17 Cyro wrote:
The xornet/spawn and g100s are not palm grip mice though, they're all fingertip/claw. My hand is like twice as long as the xornet/spawn shell so i hold my palm behind/over it and only touch with fingertips, but some people use a bit of palm contact - i just don't think you can use a typical palm grip with higher levels of contact with it
So I probably need to get a larger mouse. I think you could say mine is a hybrid of palm and fingertip grip now that I think about it, as I don't use the whole palm to grip the mouse, but my hands aren't as far away as the fingertip grip either. What would you recommended?
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Does anyone know where I can buy a zowie gear mico in America? I can't find any online and I really need a replacement.
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Yeah, i don't think the LS1 will work for me. I was thinking of buying it off of this site and I was wondering if anyone has any experience buying things from them. MAU5
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Hi,
I was a long time user of my logitech mx310 until it looked like this:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8HWIL6M.jpg)
not my mouse, but mine looks same.
The right click button is beginning to stick as well, also the 4 feet on the bottom has rubbed out completely.
I was using my girlfriend's MX400 but I find it too heavy, and it was very difficult for me to stop my movement due to the inertia of the heavy mouse.
So I'm looking forward to buying a new mouse. Here are something that I'm looking for:
- same weight as mx310, 90 grams
- same grip / size as mx310. In more detail, I use hybrid grip where I only contact my palm here:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LXWo5n5.jpg)
- big contiguous feet instead of 4 dots on bottom of mouse
- I do NOT use programmable buttons
- non-glossy finish
- textured grip would be ideal
My friend recommended the CM spawn, is it a good candidate? It seems like the shape is quite different. A lot of people are recommending the logitech G1, but I don't like the look of it and I cannot find a website to buy it.
Let me know what would be a great recommendation, I have a budget of up to 50 dollars.
Thanks!!
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Spawn is good candidate, it's one of the best small mice that's designed for non-palm-grip. The rubber grips on the sides are among the best for gripping on any mouse with few complaints and overall size+weight is very nice
g1 might just be g100s now
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On July 23 2014 09:50 rolando wrote:Yeah, i don't think the LS1 will work for me. I was thinking of buying it off of this site and I was wondering if anyone has any experience buying things from them. MAU5
Yeah that's actually where I got my MiCO from. It's a little weird paying though, it was about a year ago so they might have changed it but, you have to pay through Google Wallet. It's sort of like paypal but...Google. It doesn't take very long to set up though so it should be pretty smooth, especially if you've used GW before, unlike me.
I purchased this bundle:
http://www.gamejava.com/product_info.php?products_id=3252
+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2014 14:06 evanthebouncy! wrote:Hi, I was a long time user of my logitech mx310 until it looked like this: not my mouse, but mine looks same. The right click button is beginning to stick as well, also the 4 feet on the bottom has rubbed out completely. I was using my girlfriend's MX400 but I find it too heavy, and it was very difficult for me to stop my movement due to the inertia of the heavy mouse. So I'm looking forward to buying a new mouse. Here are something that I'm looking for: - same weight as mx310, 90 grams - same grip / size as mx310. In more detail, I use hybrid grip where I only contact my palm here: - big contiguous feet instead of 4 dots on bottom of mouse - I do NOT use programmable buttons - non-glossy finish - textured grip would be ideal My friend recommended the CM spawn, is it a good candidate? It seems like the shape is quite different. A lot of people are recommending the logitech G1, but I don't like the look of it and I cannot find a website to buy it. Let me know what would be a great recommendation, I have a budget of up to 50 dollars. Thanks!!
Could try the link I posted above.
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If you have a bit of budget and you keep well organised with your rechargeable batteries, the Logitech G700s is really good. It is of course wireless, really precise, not so heavy, has a very decent latency, has the best wheel on the market, so it has no real negative point compared to a wired mouse, EXCEPT for the BATTERY life which is very short (about two days, normally more than one day at least).
The battery level indicator is VERY accurate so if you check the level before every gaming session, and you have like me 4 good AA batteries and a battery charger, you should be fine (the mouse uses one battery). If you can do that, and it isn't hard, then the mouse is really good, if not perfect, else just avoid it or you will run out of battery in the middle of a game for sure.
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^Biggest problems with the G700s are the price, the bad sensor, as well as batteries. For some people, an ideal mouse is heavy - but the weight profile and density of batteries is rarely sought after, and compromising on sensor in a world with lots of 3090/3310 and similar mice also not good. Not nearly as forgivable on an $80 mouse as a $20-30 mouse, but then again i am someone to pay whatever it takes for better tools - $50 extra when you're using for 5000 hours is only 1 cent an hour in the end
not so heavy
It's 152g without cable, which is more than twice as heavy as some small mice and pretty much heavier than anything that exists that doesn't have to use batteries. Even this monster - http://gaming.logitech.com/en-gb/product/g502-proteus-core-tunable-gaming-mouse - weighs 121g, for example
worth considering for general use, but not as a competitive tool IMO
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