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Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
July 24 2014 01:19 GMT
#3561
On July 24 2014 08:12 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 05:40 Psychonian wrote:
Hey, can someone tell me whether or not the Logitech M510 has hardware accel? TY


guys plz


I found this list of mice with flawless or near flawless sensors, seems pretty legit : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0
as the m510 is laser AND wireless, I would take a wild guess and say that it may have acceleration, and it also seems to have lagg problems according to forum posts. Doesn't seem very suited to gaming anyway :/
Demurity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States424 Posts
July 24 2014 01:46 GMT
#3562
On July 24 2014 09:47 rolando wrote:
What poling rate does the updated 1000 G1 have?


125Hz I believe. What is polling rate? lol


On July 24 2014 10:19 Nimix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 08:12 Psychonian wrote:
On July 24 2014 05:40 Psychonian wrote:
Hey, can someone tell me whether or not the Logitech M510 has hardware accel? TY


guys plz


I found this list of mice with flawless or near flawless sensors, seems pretty legit : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0
as the m510 is laser AND wireless, I would take a wild guess and say that it may have acceleration, and it also seems to have lagg problems according to forum posts. Doesn't seem very suited to gaming anyway :/


I heard to just assume laser mice have acceleration. But I dunno I'm pretty bad at mice knowledge.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
July 24 2014 03:51 GMT
#3563
Polling rate is how often the hardware is asked for new information, so for a 500-1000hz mouse there is up to a 2ms or 1ms delay added from polling alone, and for a 125hz mouse it's up to 8ms.

There are a ton of other latency sources though, from processing in the mouse itself not being instant, to other stuff on the PC. A 125hz mouse is a big no for input latency on say a 144hz screen, but might be usable for some on 60hz. You can overclock some with USB drivers i think on windows 7 at least
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
July 24 2014 03:59 GMT
#3564
On July 24 2014 12:51 Cyro wrote:
Polling rate is how often the hardware is asked for new information, so for a 500-1000hz mouse there is up to a 2ms or 1ms delay added from polling alone, and for a 125hz mouse it's up to 8ms.

There are a ton of other latency sources though, from processing in the mouse itself not being instant, to other stuff on the PC. A 125hz mouse is a big no for input latency on say a 144hz screen, but might be usable for some on 60hz. You can overclock some with USB drivers i think on windows 7 at least


What sort of heat sink would you recommend for overclocking a mouse?
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
July 24 2014 15:40 GMT
#3565
On July 24 2014 12:51 Cyro wrote:
Polling rate is how often the hardware is asked for new information, so for a 500-1000hz mouse there is up to a 2ms or 1ms delay added from polling alone, and for a 125hz mouse it's up to 8ms.

There are a ton of other latency sources though, from processing in the mouse itself not being instant, to other stuff on the PC. A 125hz mouse is a big no for input latency on say a 144hz screen, but might be usable for some on 60hz. You can overclock some with USB drivers i think on windows 7 at least

How do you overclock a mouse? My Logitech MX518 does only 125MHz.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 24 2014 16:11 GMT
#3566
On July 25 2014 00:40 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 12:51 Cyro wrote:
Polling rate is how often the hardware is asked for new information, so for a 500-1000hz mouse there is up to a 2ms or 1ms delay added from polling alone, and for a 125hz mouse it's up to 8ms.

There are a ton of other latency sources though, from processing in the mouse itself not being instant, to other stuff on the PC. A 125hz mouse is a big no for input latency on say a 144hz screen, but might be usable for some on 60hz. You can overclock some with USB drivers i think on windows 7 at least

How do you overclock a mouse? My Logitech MX518 does only 125MHz.

Not sure if saying "overclock" for the mouse is right. It's done on the PC side on the USB port. Normally the mouse says what "polling rate" it wants, and the driver then configures that for the USB port. Your MX518 apparently says it wants 125 Hz.

There's some sort of hack that can change this behavior on Windows 7. It replaces the USB human input device driver file with a patched one or something, making it ignore the mouse saying that it wants 125 Hz. This will only influence mice (and keyboards?), so no issue with any other USB device. Your MX518 will run fine at 500 Hz. No idea about 1000 Hz.

I think this here is an up to date guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/596276/changing-usb-polling-rate-to-1000hz-or-lower

There's no hack for Windows 8 as far as I know.

On Linux the driver has an option for this.
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Zyufin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States85 Posts
July 25 2014 02:40 GMT
#3567
Has anyone used a Mionix recently? I'm wanting to get an ergonomic mouse in the hope of alleviating some hand pain I've been having, and the Mionix Naos looks like it fits the bill.

Most of the reviews I've read have said that the Naos' grip feels great, but the Mionix software is garbage and next to useless. Does anyone know if there have been any updates to the software or have any opinions of Mionix/Naos in general?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 07:38:38
July 25 2014 07:36 GMT
#3568
Not sure about those specifically, but if you're having pain then you should take a nice long look at your posture, the way you sit, how high your elbow is relative to the desk etc (it shouldn't be far lower, it should be equal height or a little higher)

and also on mouse sensitivity. A lot of people get pain from using too high mouse sensitivity which forces them to grip tighter in order to be accurate. 800dpi, 1:1 on 1920x1080 is more than enough, and lower sensitivity takes reliance off your wrist/hand while making it easier to hit small targets and repeat movements accurately with good muscle memory

If you have any concerns for speed at such a sensitivity -
- one of the best osu mouse players
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 25 2014 09:40 GMT
#3569
On July 24 2014 10:01 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
heavier than wired mouses doesnt mean too heavy imo.


It's in the heaviest weight class though - where ~70-90g means small and 120-130g big, a 150g mouse with weird weight distribution stands out a lot

Weird weight distribution ? oO And still it does not mean it is too heavy.
I had a G5 before and I used some weights in it cos I found it a bit too light actually. I changed for this one and didn't find any problem with the weight. Polling rate is really good too. Nothing noticable about latency neither. On the other hand I did notice the upgrade of comfort having no wire.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
July 25 2014 09:50 GMT
#3570
Weird weight distribution ?


Batteries are more dense than the other materials in a mouse, so it feels different to a mouse of the same weight that doesn't use batteries
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 25 2014 10:45 GMT
#3571
On July 25 2014 18:50 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Weird weight distribution ?


Batteries are more dense than the other materials in a mouse, so it feels different to a mouse of the same weight that doesn't use batteries

I see. I guess weight and balance matters more for people constantly lifting the mouse. I pretty much never do.
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
July 25 2014 11:51 GMT
#3572
Finally ordered a zowie FK1 as my spawn isn't suited for FPS and my old 3.0 is a train wreck (scroll wheel randomly going up/down making for funny jumps in the middle of CS sneaky 1V1's :D).
First you can set everything up without drivers; you set the polling rate by pressing a button before plugging it in, dpi on a button near the sensor, and you can switch between right and left hand mode with a button combo too.
The mouse is about the size and shape of a sensei, maybe a bit shorter. The coating is great, the grip on the mouse is really good. Clics are a bit hard (really noticeable compared to the spawn's omnron (?) switches), a bit surprising at first but totally fine. And 3310 sensor is great, of course.
I'm just gonna venture a stupid question; lots of pros seem to prefer using 400 dpi rather than going up to 800 and halfing their in game sensitivity. Same with the polling rate, most of them use 500hz. I don't see any reason to do that other than them being stubborn or the placebo effect from having the exact same settings than with their old 1.6 hardware. Can someone just confirm this? I've read stuff about 1000hz potentially affecting performance but I suppose it shouldn't on an I5 2500 ?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-25 12:59:23
July 25 2014 12:57 GMT
#3573
On July 25 2014 19:45 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 18:50 Cyro wrote:
Weird weight distribution ?


Batteries are more dense than the other materials in a mouse, so it feels different to a mouse of the same weight that doesn't use batteries

I see. I guess weight and balance matters more for people constantly lifting the mouse. I pretty much never do.


It matters less at high sens.

For somebody who would use 600-800dpi on 1920x1080 for osu/league/sc2 or 30cm for a 180 turn in an FPS game it's much more of an issue compared to someone who's just using 1800dpi for osu/league/sc2/etc and not playing FPS aside from very high sens


@above.. 800 should work the same as 400 afaik, some people with some mice use 500hz over 1000 because it can be more stable, but that's only an issue with certain mice
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
July 25 2014 14:37 GMT
#3574
Yeah I tried both DPI settings and noticed no difference, guess they just do that out of habit like playing on low res
Mouse is terrific, the shape is really perfect for me. Definitely consider it if you want a claw/palm mouse!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
July 25 2014 15:29 GMT
#3575
800 is probably better because 400 on 1920x1080 would be slow for menu usage etc, you can actually use 800 everywhere and get used to it, and just have whatever sens multipliers in FPS. There's probably some "best" sensitivity setting on an engine that some people work DPI around though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
July 25 2014 23:28 GMT
#3576
Yeah, you got a switch under the mouse to switch DPI, so it's really easy and fast to do, that's why I asked if there was ever a reason I could easily have used 400 for CS, 800 for the rest.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
July 27 2014 15:05 GMT
#3577
My replacement G100S is 1 month old and allready the button presses do not register all the time, i expect it to get much worse until its unusable again.



Anyone has any reccomendations for a similar smallish fingertip mouse that is using a infrared sensor? (i like my cloth pad)
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
July 27 2014 22:26 GMT
#3578
Is probably has been asked numerous times through the thread but since we aare in 2014 now aand new mices are in the market, my question is: Is there any mice similar in grip and sensor quality to the G9x or G9?, I've been looking for something similar since Logitech stopped manufacturing them.
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Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
July 27 2014 22:30 GMT
#3579
DreamOen check out the Corsair M45 maybe? Shell seems pretty similar and sensor should be good
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-27 22:36:37
July 27 2014 22:36 GMT
#3580
Yeah, look up the Corsair M45 (I hope I mentioned the right number as there's a whole bunch of those from Corsair). Its shape is the closest that exists to how a G9x feels in your hand.

Corsair has a whole bunch of mice with that shape so you can also get laser if you want, but you probably want the one that has the 3310 sensor. It's an optical sensor where everyone agrees it's pretty close to perfect, best you can get. If you always only used G9 and G9x so only know laser, optical means you'll probably want to use it on a mouse pad and not on a table.
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