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On December 03 2010 06:09 hitman133 wrote:
What's wrong with macro key ? I mean I'm just sitting home, play the game for fun. And they ban us b/c of those macro key? Oh btw how could they know I'm using macro key in the game anyway?
Really easy,
If you have a macro that do : 4szzzzzzzzz (which produces ling from hatchs) all the milliseconds between each key press will always be the same which is not humanly possible. If you do it more than once in a game, it's even easier to detect.
I hope they enforce the bans on macro usage, it's for noobs and cheaters.
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On December 03 2010 06:28 ScDeluX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 06:09 hitman133 wrote:
What's wrong with macro key ? I mean I'm just sitting home, play the game for fun. And they ban us b/c of those macro key? Oh btw how could they know I'm using macro key in the game anyway? Really easy, If you have a macro that do : 4szzzzzzzzz (which produces ling from hatchs) all the milliseconds between each key press will always be the same which is not humanly possible. If you do it more than once in a game, it's even easier to detect. I hope they enforce the bans on macro usage, it's for noobs and cheaters.
or you could just have done 4z and held the z key down the whole time which will spawn zerglings faster than even a macro can as it has to give the commands seperately
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On December 03 2010 06:54 emythrel wrote:
or you could just have done 4z and held the z key down the whole time which will spawn zerglings faster than even a macro can as it has to give the commands seperately
I did not knew that, I play toss.
Still adds nothing to the thread.
Another example could be 4sd5sd6sd if you hotkey your hatch individually but thats not the point here.
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Hi. I currently have two macros on my mouse: '1s' for when I want to make some zerg units; and '2v' for when I want to inject larva on the minimap. Is this illegal? It's not like I'm doing '1szzzzz'. I can just hold down z's. Is '1s' considered two actions?
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I really hope Blizzard clarifies the issue, because there are tons of Starcraft II branded keyboards with macros being sold, and every one of those keyboards got Blizzard approval.
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i think that what with the addition of customizable hotkeys, they could care less where the keys are. as long as you are only binding one key to a macro key and not a full series.
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Just to make a quick point, some keyboards like the Razer Blackwidow register a macro key as individual keypresses before sending them to the computer. Usually, your keyboard would register one keypress then the driver software would create the additional keypresses needed to finish the macro. This difference allows the Blackwidow macros to be undetected by current software.
While I am not saying that this is right or wrong, and it is still a bannable offense, you would not get caught.
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You can rebind 1 key to another.
You can not make a macro that performs more than 1 action.
1 key can not perform more than 1 action.
1 Action per key is ok.
2 Actions per key is not ok.
1 key can not perform more than 1 action.
Shift+1 selecting control group 1 is considered a single ACTION. It is 2 key presses but a single action. The keyword is action.
Blizzard licenses products, not designs them. If a product manufacturer includes software that allows for macros or advertises features which automate gameplay; blizzard has no control over that. Blizzard in fact does support macros, macros that perform a single key press or single action.
-From the link twitch89 posted
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On December 02 2010 10:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:04 HocusPocus wrote:
using Macrokeys with multiple binds will get you banned from bnet2.0
im not sure if this counts for the blizzard hardware, but there is a thread on tl about it so im pretty sure that it can get you banned when using macros.
Using a Keyboard that has macro keys without using the keys is fine (i use a macrokeyboard myself but i dont use the macrokeys in sc2) I wonder how they detect you're using macro keys though?
If you watched through the replay from the player perspective, you would most likely notice inconsistency between active APM and certain actions. Like Mouse 4 = "4+ddaaaaaa" as opposed to the rest of the actions of a player. And every time they use it, you'd see a pattern.
It's pretty impossible to prove, but it's easy to notice I think.
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On December 02 2010 10:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:04 HocusPocus wrote:
using Macrokeys with multiple binds will get you banned from bnet2.0
im not sure if this counts for the blizzard hardware, but there is a thread on tl about it so im pretty sure that it can get you banned when using macros.
Using a Keyboard that has macro keys without using the keys is fine (i use a macrokeyboard myself but i dont use the macrokeys in sc2) I wonder how they detect you're using macro keys though?
Well they've banned for it before, so there most likely is some way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)
Probably this.
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On December 03 2010 05:43 GreEny K wrote:
I don't even understand the need for macro keys in SC2, it's not liek the game requires 300+ APM and you can't keep up. If you can't click "Ctrl+1" and so on fast enough you should not be playing the game.
SC2 is already easier than BW and now people want to do macro keys that do multiple things at once... LOL?
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On January 13 2011 06:40 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 HocusPocus wrote:
using Macrokeys with multiple binds will get you banned from bnet2.0
im not sure if this counts for the blizzard hardware, but there is a thread on tl about it so im pretty sure that it can get you banned when using macros.
Using a Keyboard that has macro keys without using the keys is fine (i use a macrokeyboard myself but i dont use the macrokeys in sc2) I wonder how they detect you're using macro keys though? Well they've banned for it before, so there most likely is some way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)Probably this.
Quite easy. You press one key. The software on your computer receives that one key and sends multiple key presses to the game. However, Warden sees all of this happening.
Thats why, like I said before, certain keyboards cannot be caught.
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On January 13 2011 05:46 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
You can rebind 1 key to another.
You can not make a macro that performs more than 1 action.
1 key can not perform more than 1 action.
1 Action per key is ok.
2 Actions per key is not ok.
1 key can not perform more than 1 action.
Shift+1 selecting control group 1 is considered a single ACTION. It is 2 key presses but a single action. The keyword is action.
Blizzard licenses products, not designs them. If a product manufacturer includes software that allows for macros or advertises features which automate gameplay; blizzard has no control over that. Blizzard in fact does support macros, macros that perform a single key press or single action.
-From the link twitch89 posted
A very relevant quote
And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O LORD, bless this Thy hand
grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the LORD did
grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans
and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt
thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the
number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count,
neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the
number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of
Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
1 action per key. They had this rule for wow also.
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Personally, I wouldn't use macros in SC2 anyway, but for things that may not be obvious like this you would think that they would post official rules in a highly conspicuous place to let people know about this. I can see a lot of non-hardcores - casual non-starcraft people who just bought the game and screw about in bronze or silver - setting up macros without even thinking about it and then -BAM - you've just flushed your SCII licence down the drain. A nice and simple page of rules when you first play would be nice, and not something buried on page 78 of a T&C contract that perhaps 0.000001% of all people will ever read more than a sentence of.
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On January 13 2011 09:14 jgad wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't use macros in SC2 anyway, but for things that may not be obvious like this you would think that they would post official rules in a highly conspicuous place to let people know about this. I can see a lot of non-hardcores - casual non-starcraft people who just bought the game and screw about in bronze or silver - setting up macros without even thinking about it and then -BAM - you've just flushed your SCII licence down the drain. A nice and simple page of rules when you first play would be nice, and not something buried on page 78 of a T&C contract that perhaps 0.000001% of all people will ever read more than a sentence of.
Just because you didn't bother to read the terms of usage when you created your account doesn't mean that you are free of the terms within it. That's like saying you didn't know murder was against the law because you never bothered to find out what was illegal as a defence in court - it doesn't work that way.
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On January 13 2011 09:21 Pistolfied wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 09:14 jgad wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't use macros in SC2 anyway, but for things that may not be obvious like this you would think that they would post official rules in a highly conspicuous place to let people know about this. I can see a lot of non-hardcores - casual non-starcraft people who just bought the game and screw about in bronze or silver - setting up macros without even thinking about it and then -BAM - you've just flushed your SCII licence down the drain. A nice and simple page of rules when you first play would be nice, and not something buried on page 78 of a T&C contract that perhaps 0.000001% of all people will ever read more than a sentence of. Just because you didn't bother to read the terms of usage when you created your account doesn't mean that you are free of the terms within it. That's like saying you didn't know murder was against the law because you never bothered to find out what was illegal as a defence in court - it doesn't work that way.
Come, now, let's not be truculent about this. Macros are hardly murder, and I'm speaking primarily from the point of view of the mass public out there who bought SC2 as a game for fun and not a hyper-competitive e-sport. Surely you can't expect it to be immediately obvious to non RTS gurus than macros are a no-no - surely not enough so to justify taking away their purchased copy of SCII straight out like that. As a long time fan of BW and the competitive scene it is perferctly obvious to me that macros are unfair but I don't think it would be such a red flag for a lot of Blizzard's customers. Asking for conspicuous rules is not really out of the question, is it?
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macro keys are not bannable provided they only do the equivalent of one action. For example, you could have one key = ctrl+1, as that is only one action, however you cannot get something to go 2>sd because that would be multiple actions.
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If you are using the macro key to replace a key, then there should be no reason (or possibly way to detect it) for you to be banned.
If you use the macro key to set a macro for something like what a previous poster said (4szzzzzz), then they will detect your keypresses are far too fast for a human (not sure if Warden does this, or if something else does), and therefore you will be banned (and probably should).
Why does the Marauder have macro keys? Because people use keyboards for other things besides Starcraft 2.
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