EPTEdit2: The two people below know more than me. So their advice is likely better.
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Edit2: The two people below know more than me. So their advice is likely better. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On December 07 2011 06:05 MisterFred wrote: Like a bad deal. Edit: You could get a i5-2xxx + a cheap intel mobo for the same price. phenom II x6 is not all that good, but on a budget when you just need the cores like i did when i bought mine, it's the best there is of course only depending on what he wants to do, but i don't understand the points of an AMD cpu with such a mobo, sience cx/sli will get cpu bottlenecked in games | ||
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MrStorkie
United Kingdom697 Posts
On December 07 2011 02:04 Wabbit wrote: Well, you do need a reasonable mobo to achieve over ~4.4-4.5GHz (if you are lucky and your chip can go for higher OC's depending on silicon quality, this doesn't all depend on mobo). You're not gonna wanna try to do 4.9GHz at 1.45V(or whatever Vcore it takes) on the most basic P67/Z68 mobo with only 4 power phases and no heatsinks on them. More expensive motherboards can have (not limited to this list, but examples): - more power phases, higher quality VRM - more connectivity (more USB 2/3, more SATA 2/3, eSata, Firewire, extra PCI-e slots, front panel USB3 headers, etc etc etc) - dual bios so you can flash your board without fear of bricking - convenience buttons on the mobo such as power, reset, etc. - killer looks (I wish I had gotten an ASRock Extreme3 Gen 3, goes much better with the rest of my system) - etc. I do agree that the higher end motherboards can have all of the above-mentioned features, and also allowing the user to hit a higher OC with more power phases and better heatsinks. However, like you mentioned, a reasonably lower end mobo (with an aftermarket CPU cooler) can still achieve 4.4 - 4.5Ghz OC without much difficulty. By overclocking from 4.5Ghz to 5.0Ghz, what kind of performance boost should I be expecting? Will a 0.5Ghz increase make any significant difference? Or is it negligible due to some other component bottlenecking the entire system? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_9.html#sect2 (i.e. not worth it probably, since you're heavily risking your chip at those kinds of voltages required) In general if you don't need the extras, save the money and get the budget option. | ||
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MrStorkie
United Kingdom697 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:18 Myrmidon wrote: Here's 4.3 GHz to 4.7 GHz: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_9.html#sect2 (i.e. not worth it probably, since you're heavily risking your chip at those kinds of voltages required) In general if you don't need the extras, save the money and get the budget option. Thanks for confirming. That's a neat comparison there. The performance leap from 3.3 to 4.3Ghz seems to be much more significant than from 4.3 to 4.7Ghz. Under the system power consumption table, there is also a huge leap from 4.3 to 4.7Ghz. The CPU usage will be different from individual to individual, but I fairly sure that I won't be doing any CPU stress video encoding. So saving on a budget mobo and getting an SSD is probably a better choice imo. (Thanks for the advice -- skyR, Myrmidon, Shikyo, Medrea) | ||
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ShadowStar
Norway11 Posts
i'm thinking of something along the lines of a thermal lake lvl10 GT big tower and a hefty motherboard that will live long. For the cabinet i want it to be air cooled. I have a very vague understanding of computers and parts, but i understand SSD is good and a rather good Harddisk would be prefrable. For parts quality on the initial build i would be interested in something like this. Cabinet, as mentioned or better (don know if it is good actually) Motherboard, something that can be swapped for better parts i would like something that will last 6-8 years (if that is possible and still run good, but not top) RAM something medium GPU medium to good PSU whatever is needed to last long, depending on changing dificulty this can be top notch from the getgo HSF (Fan?) it says it will make my computer go silen, and thats a must some noise when it is running on max will be acceptable, but i would prefer it to be silen for the cost of some effiency OS Windows, althou i'm a Linux guy Windows suits my needs and, playing sc2 through Wine simply does not cut it, so dam you blizzard for not making Linux compatible Sc2! So the important question you are asking yourself is now, what budget do we have? Well in USD it's 2600 $, and you are probably saying thats a small shitload of money, and to a american yes. To a Norwegian however, it's not that much (about a months pay, after tax, unless you clean floors then its like 3/2 months worth of cash). The reason its much is because of the current financial situation in the world (we have a extremly carefull governent!) So, sorry if i missed anything/or is unclear. I will try to watch for a response, but my connection situation is quite bad so ill be in again in about two weeks. Please ctr+c and ctrl + into a PM if you decide to write a answer. Thank you for your time. P.S it's a stationary computer. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
For summer 2012, you're looking at something like a core i5 3570k, Z75, and Radeon HD7950. You can't future proof a motherboard. LGA115 is only going to last another year before getting replaced by LGA1150. LGA1150 will likely last another two years before getting replaced by whatever socket Skylake will be on. PCI-E 4.0 won't come to market until 2015 or 2016 but who really cares since a single GPU doesn't even saturate PCI-E 2.0 yet. You can however waste money on the other components that will last you more than six years. The Level 10GT is expensive but it is a good case and will basically last forever. The heatsink and power supply are also two other components that will last you six or more years. You can waste money on a Noctua NH-D14 and a Seasonic Platinum or Corsair AX, or similar components - all are reasonably quiet, perform well, and carry a longer than your standard warranty. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:40 ShadowStar wrote: . I have a very vague understanding of computers and parts, but i understand SSD is good and a rather good Harddisk would be prefrable. For parts quality on the initial build i would be interested in something like this. I'd recommend getting an SSD for your operating system and commonly used programs (games). It'll greatly speed up your boot and loading times. You can use a regular harddisk for the large files that don't require high-speed access. SSD prices haven't really been affected by the floodings, so now is as good a time as any to pick one up. With your budget, I would definitely include one as it'll be a much more noticable difference in overall performance than what you'd get from the top-end processor compared to a model one or two steps down the ladder. If you currently have a reasonably recent harddisk, you can keep using that until the prices come down again if you want to save a bit of money. Personal preference will decide here I guess  | ||
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Earlistotle
United States5 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 07 2011 09:35 Earlistotle wrote: Will a Asus 6770 work with a Corsair CX430 V2 and an i3 2120? No plans to overclock CX430 V2 will be bored. You're not going to top 200W ever, unless you add a stack of hard drives. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:13 MrStorkie wrote: I do agree that the higher end motherboards can have all of the above-mentioned features, and also allowing the user to hit a higher OC with more power phases and better heatsinks. However, like you mentioned, a reasonably lower end mobo (with an aftermarket CPU cooler) can still achieve 4.4 - 4.5Ghz OC without much difficulty. By overclocking from 4.5Ghz to 5.0Ghz, what kind of performance boost should I be expecting? Will a 0.5Ghz increase make any significant difference? Or is it negligible due to some other component bottlenecking the entire system? Overclocking at that point is nothing special. 0.5Ghz for a stupid amount of voltage? No thanks. More expensive motherboards are more expensive because they: 1) don't use god awful chipsets like Etron USB3.0 or VIA audio chipsets. 2) are better designed physically. 3) have an actual working BIOS, which can automate a lot of the functions correctly, and better power regulation so you can overclock further while pushing less voltage. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
I went ahead and answered the questions on the OP, let me know what you guys think: Budget: $800 (was hoping to be more like $1000, but I can't swing it without waiting longer) Resolution: 1920x1080 Uses: Gaming/Web surfing/Watching streams while gaming (: Upgrade cycle: Not very fast, I don't buy the newest games usually either though When to build: Looking to buy/build a computer before early January Overclocking: Nah. OS: Will need windows 7 I think, will also dual boot Mepis but I have a DVD for that Second GPU: No plans for this unless it's recommended Parts: Probably will have to buy online, the closest Fry's is several hours from here. edit: oh, and i'll need a wireless card to go along with my ethernet port. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
i5 2400, a cheap H61, 8gb ram, bitfenix merc alpha, antec earthwatts 650W, random DVDRW, recycle HDD or buy a 100$ 500gb one, and GTX 560 Ti It should cost around: 190 + 60 + 35 + 40 + 52 + 17 + 100 + 220 which is something like 700$ so 800$ with windows 7. | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
case: rosewill challenger - $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 mobo: msi p67s-c43 - $97 with $20 MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130576 CPU: i5 2500k - $220 (sold out now, but I expect newegg to restock fairly quickly, or if they don't, a 2500k isn't that hard to find) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 SSD: ocz agility 3 - $170 with $20 MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227726 RAM: team elite 8gb ram - $33 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313086 CD/DVD: asus random one - $19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 cooling: hyper 212+ - $26 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 total: around $615 with $40 MIR so basically, how is this potential build, can I get anything better? and will a c43 significantly hinder any type of overclocking? I'm not planning to change voltages on my CPU but I do hope to get anywhere around 4.3-5.0ghz clock speed | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Uses: Gaming (needs to be able to run WoL, HoS, Skyrim, but idc if max settings) I'd prefer a decent processor, graphics cards, and motherboard I don't mind if I don't have a lot of memory Upgrade Cycle: I am computer illiterate in terms of building them, so I doubt I will be upgrading it. I would rather spend another 500-1000$ in 5+ years like I did this time. I got my 2.8ghz pentium 4 in 2004-2005, and I had to have someone help me put it together. I will probably be asking a friend to assemble it for me. when to build: before Christmas overclocking: I'd rather not OS: Windows 7 Second GPU: w/e works. I don't want an integrated one, I don't think. parts: will have to buy online please help! | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Womwomwom
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