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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 05 2011 22:08 GMT
#15741
It's just for mechanical support, so any screw that fits and holds the board securely should be okay. Nothing in those areas is electrically important I think. This is a pure guess, but the metal parts are probably just to connect the mobo ground to the chassis, so it's not like every part needs to touch or that scratches would matter there.

I'm sure typical OEM installation is to use some power tools to screw the parts in, without regard to scratching the surface or even stripping the screws...
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:21:54
December 05 2011 23:52 GMT
#15742
Hello folks, first time posting here, hoping I can get some help with a PC build I've been working on over the past few weeks. The parts listed below are what I believe will suit my needs - PC gaming, heavy Photoshop/CS usage, possibly some streaming - and fit within my budget ($1,000 USD). I've got a decent monitor already but will upgrade it when I can afford it, with my ideal resolution being 1920 x 1200. I've also given some thought to possibly running a dual monitor setup, but I'm not 100% sure my current build will allow me to do that without overclocking some things, and I do not want to overclock anything if I can avoid it. Hopefully this PC will last me at least 2 years, ideally 3-5 before I have to upgrade again. I already have an OS as well (Windows 7 64-bit), so really all I need is the hardware. And thanks again for any suggestions and for looking over my PC build.

Case: Cooler Master 690 II
HDD: Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-Z68P-DS3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard
GPU: EVGA 560 Ti
RAM: Kingston HyperX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB)
CPU: Intel i5-2500k
PSU: Antec EA-650 80+
Optical: Samsung CD/DVD burner

(Edit: 12-5-2011, 7:20 PM CST - added the full name of the motherboard to narrow it down)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 05 2011 23:57 GMT
#15743
If you're not overclocking than you shouldn't be getting a Z68 motherboard or a core i5 2500k. Get a non-K suffix processor along with a H67 motherboard.

There are dozens of motherboards, please be more specific when you are listing components.

If you're not overclocking than you aren't doing a multi-GPU configuration so there is no need for a 650w power supply. A ~500w unit is adequate for a single GPU configuration.

Having a second monitor for browsing (and other desktop stuff) doesn't matter. You can have a dozen monitors and it wouldn't matter.
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
December 06 2011 00:01 GMT
#15744
On December 06 2011 08:57 skyR wrote:
If you're not overclocking than you shouldn't be getting a Z68 motherboard or a core i5 2500k. Get a non-K suffix processor along with a H67 motherboard.

There are dozens of motherboards, please be more specific when you are listing components.

If you're not overclocking than you aren't doing a multi-GPU configuration so there is no need for a 650w power supply. A ~500w unit is adequate for a single GPU configuration.

Having a second monitor for browsing (and other desktop stuff) doesn't matter. You can have a dozen monitors and it wouldn't matter.

Quick question, why not a H61 instead of the H67 if not going for the -k?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 06 2011 00:07 GMT
#15745
You can go with a H61 motherboard as well. H67 provides native SATA 6Gbps so I just suggested it since he's not on a budget.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
December 06 2011 00:26 GMT
#15746
If I'm overclocking, should I use ASRock Extreme Tuning Utility that came with my mobo or should I do it through the bios or some other way?
DONTPANIC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States340 Posts
December 06 2011 00:59 GMT
#15747
On December 06 2011 06:51 ensign_lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 06:48 billy5000 wrote:
another question. being stupid as i am, i screwed all 6 screws onto the pegs that stick out from the case to the mobo without realizing there were specific screws i was supposed to use. i assumed they were all the same cuz they do in fact look exactly the same unless you squint at them XD. fortunately, only 2 were the wrong screws and it was a pain in the ass to get them out. i'm going to try my best to explain..but one of the motherboard holes in which you screw has scratches that are hardly visible. all of the scratches are within the outer circle. did i do something that might outright destroy or even affect my mobo in some way?


I think it's only cosmetic damage. Relax.



As long as you didn't put power to the board and short it out on the grounding posts you should be ok. It's very importand to only have the posts you need for the mobo. Don't tighten them down so hard. As long as you didn't crack the board you should be ok.
The universe is big. Really big.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
December 06 2011 01:07 GMT
#15748
On December 06 2011 06:55 billy5000 wrote:
you THINK?! sry first time builder. so paranoid right now bahaha


Without a pic, I can't do much more lol. :D

But yeah, more than likely it's probably just cosmetic. Only real way to know is to put everything together and see if it fires up or not.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:22:48
December 06 2011 01:20 GMT
#15749
On December 06 2011 08:57 skyR wrote:
If you're not overclocking than you shouldn't be getting a Z68 motherboard or a core i5 2500k. Get a non-K suffix processor along with a H67 motherboard.

There are dozens of motherboards, please be more specific when you are listing components.

If you're not overclocking than you aren't doing a multi-GPU configuration so there is no need for a 650w power supply. A ~500w unit is adequate for a single GPU configuration.

Having a second monitor for browsing (and other desktop stuff) doesn't matter. You can have a dozen monitors and it wouldn't matter.


My mistake, I thought the information I provided for the motherboard would have been enough. I'll edit the original post to have the full name of the motherboard that is on my list.

My idea behind this PC build is so that if/when new technology comes out I already have some components in place that I don't have to replace. I know 'future proofing' isn't real, I'm just trying to think ahead and save some money down the road, which is why I'm willing to spend a little extra now to not have to buy new components later.

Why does having a second monitor not matter? I was lead to believe that running more than one monitor required a powerful GPU (if not two GPUs) and a very good CPU to run well.

As for what you suggested for the motherboard switch, what is the difference between the bottom two one's I've listed, other than the Asus one having USB 3.0?

ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711

MSI H67MS-E23 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130598
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
December 06 2011 01:24 GMT
#15750
On December 06 2011 09:07 skyR wrote:
You can go with a H61 motherboard as well. H67 provides native SATA 6Gbps so I just suggested it since he's not on a budget.

Thanks.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 06 2011 01:32 GMT
#15751
If you meant playing games across the two monitors than yes you would require a multi-GPU configuration to achieve a smooth gaming experience on reasonably high settings. But this is stupid to play games across two monitors since you would have a bezel in the center or you would be playing off center. If you want to d Eyefinity/Surround, you should use three monitors, not two.

If you mean just using the second monitor for desktop things such as browsing, messaging, etc than it doesn't matter. Why would it matter? People have been doing this for ages. Displaying text and 2D images isn't intensive at all.

The difference in the various H67 boards is just brand name, warranty, post-sale support and connectivity. You don't want to purchase a H67 motherboard for more than $100. You might as well just get a P67 motherboard in that price range. If you can't discern the difference between a lower-end board and a higher-end board than it's probably best not to waste money.
MrStorkie
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom697 Posts
December 06 2011 06:02 GMT
#15752
On December 06 2011 10:32 skyR wrote:
If you can't discern the difference between a lower-end board and a higher-end board than it's probably best not to waste money.

I think this statement best describes me.

Honestly, I have no idea why people are willing to pay up to £200-300 for a motherboard. Is there any real practical improvements in terms of FPS in games? Of course a better designed motherboard gives me better heat dissipation and more stable voltages, but apart from bragging rights, what does achieving that 5.0Ghz+ really do for me?

I'm currently looking at these reviews and comparisons between motherboards and it seems to me that low end motherboards, such as the GA-Z68AP-D3, aren't that bad at all.
References: - http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/gigabyte_ga_z68ap_d3_review.html
- http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2011/10/11/gigabyte-ga-z68ap-d3-review/1

FPS Comparison in games across various motherboards are about 3-5 FPS. Does it really make any difference??

Forgive me for my ignorance, but if I know for a fact that I won't be needing a dual GPU configuration, nor having a tonne of SSD/HDDs, isn't it very logical to save about £50 to get a budget motherboard that can still overclock up to 4.9Ghz on a mere air cooler?
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Kleataurus
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia56 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 06:32:42
December 06 2011 06:29 GMT
#15753
is crossfire or SLI needed to run games such as sc2 or skyrim at max or could i just get one card say for example crossfire 6950's or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18618

edit: if i was to go a single card solution what would be better:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18618 or
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1179&products_id=16622 or any other 6950,6970 or gtx 570
Meow?
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
December 06 2011 06:47 GMT
#15754
On December 06 2011 15:29 liamdogger wrote:
is crossfire or SLI needed to run games such as sc2 or skyrim at max or could i just get one card say for example crossfire 6950's or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18618

edit: if i was to go a single card solution what would be better:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18618 or
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1179&products_id=16622 or any other 6950,6970 or gtx 570

As far as sc2 at max...One card from this generation should do it easily.
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 06:58:07
December 06 2011 06:57 GMT
#15755
On December 06 2011 06:38 Myrmidon wrote:
What happened other than setting it down off of the bag? It seems very unlikely for anything bad to happen if you placed it on a non-conductive surface and still pretty unlikely to be bad if it was placed on a conductive surface without it being plugged in.

There's not really a way to test without the CPU.

yeah not much else happened, i was as careful as i could be otherwise, i set it on the bag once while installing the standoffs and then once more when i had an issue with a bad screw and had to take out the motherboard cause a standoff came unscrewed yadda yadda.

I was grounded, on wood floor etc. Only thing i didn't do was install it while naked. That seemed a bit much.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 07:21:25
December 06 2011 07:20 GMT
#15756
On December 06 2011 15:29 liamdogger wrote:
is crossfire or SLI needed to run games such as sc2 or skyrim at max or could i just get one card say for example crossfire 6950's or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18618

edit: if i was to go a single card solution what would be better:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18618 or
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1179&products_id=16622 or any other 6950,6970 or gtx 570

You don't need crossfire or sli for sc2 and skyrim. I'm not sure about the specs in skyrim (I just play) but I play on ultra with a bit of AA with a gtx 570. I'm quite sure a 6950 would be adequate as well. SC2 you can max out with a lesser card.
Kleataurus
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia56 Posts
December 06 2011 07:28 GMT
#15757
thanks a heap guys.My build so far is:
CPU- Intel Core i5 2500K $229
Case- Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Case $179
HSF - CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler $39
VGA card- Gigabyte Radeon HD6950 1GB Overclocked $269
PSU- Corsair AX750 Gold Power Supply $215
HDD-
Motherboard- ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 Motherboard $185
Ram- Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 $49
Optical drive- Pioneer BDR-206 Blu-Ray Disc Writer OEM $115
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I Will be purchasing a SSD after i save up more money and i have left the HDD field blank because i might recycle my old 500gb one until the prices go down

(prices are an estimate)
The computer will be used mainly for gaming and school work. Are there any areas where prices could be further reduced and are the components compatible.
Meow?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 06 2011 07:38 GMT
#15758
I don't see the need for such an over the top power supply when all you have is a single 6950 and an i5. I see no reason for about 100 dollars of the case but I recognize that people care about how there "sweet rig" looks.
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Kleataurus
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia56 Posts
December 06 2011 07:41 GMT
#15759
On December 06 2011 16:38 Medrea wrote:
I don't see the need for such an over the top power supply when all you have is a single 6950 and an i5. I see no reason for about 100 dollars of the case but I recognize that people care about how there "sweet rig" looks.

What psu would you recommend i would prefer it to be modular? i am probably buying parts from:
http://www.pccasegear.com/
Meow?
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
December 06 2011 07:50 GMT
#15760
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_972&products_id=15957
or
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_1291&products_id=18460
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