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On September 14 2010 08:08 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 07:35 FragKrag wrote:
The Vertex 2 and Agility 2 are essentially identical. The Agility is a lower end version that lacks a certain firmware which restricts the amount of IOPS, but it doesn't actually matter for anybody that is using it on a desktop. But since the Vertex 2 is cheaper there's no reason to get the Agility 2, correct?
Correct, I think I got them backwards before. Either that, or the prices were different just a little while ago--but it's more likely I was just being dumb. The Vertex 2 is slightly better at small random writes because of some firmware features originally intended for the enterprise market.
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On September 14 2010 08:56 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 08:08 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 14 2010 07:35 FragKrag wrote:
The Vertex 2 and Agility 2 are essentially identical. The Agility is a lower end version that lacks a certain firmware which restricts the amount of IOPS, but it doesn't actually matter for anybody that is using it on a desktop. But since the Vertex 2 is cheaper there's no reason to get the Agility 2, correct? Correct, I think I got them backwards before. Either that, or the prices were different just a little while ago--but it's more likely I was just being dumb. The Vertex 2 is slightly better at small random writes because of some firmware features originally intended for the enterprise market.
Alright, thanks! After your recommendation of SSD + i5 instead of i7 I've researched SSD's a decent amount and am now confident it's a solid investment.
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On September 14 2010 08:28 haduken wrote:
Can anyone comment on GTX465 and GTX450?
GTX465 1GB is the same price as GTX460 in Australia :/
GTX450 is reasonably cheap and I really don't play that many games so I thought this might do me fine and where I've read, it is a replacement for GTS250 and for resolutions 1680x1050 and below. I use 1920x1080 btw on two monitors.
Oh, I don't do SLI or Cross Fire, So really after one card setup.
GTX 465 is the worst card on the market
avoid at all costs
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Worse as in value or technical aspects?
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both value and technical aspects. GTX 460 1GB will perform better or on par, run much cooler, and consume much less power.
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On September 14 2010 09:23 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 08:28 haduken wrote:
Can anyone comment on GTX465 and GTX450?
GTX465 1GB is the same price as GTX460 in Australia :/
GTX450 is reasonably cheap and I really don't play that many games so I thought this might do me fine and where I've read, it is a replacement for GTS250 and for resolutions 1680x1050 and below. I use 1920x1080 btw on two monitors.
Oh, I don't do SLI or Cross Fire, So really after one card setup. GTX 465 is the worst card on the market avoid at all costs
Can you explain why? Just wondering, I've heard it from a lot of different forum goers now. Why is it priced higher htan the GTX 460 then and why would NVIDIA have even released it? What crowd does it cater to that the 460 didn't? People who want SLIGHTLY more performance for a few extra $? or does it not give that.
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See the very first post of this thread for an explanation (GPU spoiler).
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On September 14 2010 08:28 Born)Slippy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 08:10 penroff4 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, great thread you've got going on here. So I'm also here to get a build; I was originally just looking to upgrade my old computer but as things went I eventually just decided to just start from scratch. Although I'd prefer to keep my budget at $1500 or lower, I'm open to raising that if the need can be successfully argued. Right now I'm playing on a 1440: 900 widescreen although I'd like to expand to a 1900:1080 or 1900:1200 screen in the future (preferably at the same time I go out and buy my parts). This is pretty much a straight up gaming rig. What I'm looking for in this computer is a build that'll be top of the line 2 to 4 years from now. I'd rather spend the money on a computer that isn't being used to its full potential now than constantly upgrade every other year. When I actually purchase all of the parts will depend on the budget, but it'll most likely be 2-3 months from now. As for overclocking, it's something that I'm neutral on. I've never overclocked anything and although the idea of pressing even more performance out of my computer sounds great, the idea of wearing out the parts even faster doesn't. Hopefully someone can shed some light on what would be right for me. I'll need an OS (preferably Windows 7; my current comp has Windows XP Pro and I'm due for an upgrade). Also I'd like the option of having SLI or Crossfire but only if it doesn't push the budget up to high. I'm unfamiliar with what the prices for mobo's with those features are so I'm not to sure how much extra it'd be; $50? More? Also even if the final build includes either feature I'd prefer to just have one card at the start and then upgrade to two later. If that was confusing, I looked at TR's build article and their "Sweeter Spot" build sounded very attractive to me. Unless anyone had any critiques on that build, I might just go with that. The only thing that might give me pause is upgradability and how long it remains top dog amongst the competition, but that shouldn't be too troubling. Oh, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be burning Blueray's so do I really need a blue-ray burner? Or a dedicated sound card? And is the i7-870 really better than the Phenom II X6 1090T? (Thanks to Mav451 for posting the article: http://techreport.com/articles.x/19560/6)And since I live in the states Fry's, Newegg, Tigerdirect will all be fine. Thanks! Hope to hear back soon! A quick word on Intel vs AMD (and I like them both): Intel high-end mauls AMD high-end so badly it's not even funny. i7 vs Phenom II X6? It's not even a competition. Any random i5 holds its own vs the X6, for crying out loud. You would choose AMD if raw CPU power is not all that important to you - AMD motherboards own the block in terms of features and expandability, and the price tags are very, very good. If you don't think you need a blu-ray burner, you probably don't. A dedicated sound card can be quite a pleasant surprise, but it depends on what you connect to it. Again, if you don't think you need it, you probably don't. You can then drop both of those and rather put in one of the following: - a second graphics card (will run any game on ridicilously high detail in high resolutions for the next 400 years) - an 1366 socket motherboard for real longevity (allows better hard drives and more PCIe lanes for upgradeability) - an SSD drive (pure pleasure, now and later) The cooling is also relatively puny, so go for any one of the Zalman tower coolers and you'll be fine. If I were you I'd take that build, put in an SSD and a real big, nice, quiet cooler and call it a day. If you need to, you can add another GTX 460 down the road to owninate the countryside.
Sounds good to me. I threw out the blue-ray burner in favor of a regular cd/dvd burner and doubled the fan/heatsink.
The second graphics card and the SSD drive both sound like musts from what I understand about them. Can you recommend a good mobo with the 1366 socket? And is the 1366 socket compatible with 1156 cpu's? Or is that just being silly?
Edit: Nevermind, that last question was being silly.
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1366 is not compatible with 1156. 2011 and 1155 coming out next year will also not be compatible with any of the existing sockets.
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On September 14 2010 09:30 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 09:23 FragKrag wrote:On September 14 2010 08:28 haduken wrote:
Can anyone comment on GTX465 and GTX450?
GTX465 1GB is the same price as GTX460 in Australia :/
GTX450 is reasonably cheap and I really don't play that many games so I thought this might do me fine and where I've read, it is a replacement for GTS250 and for resolutions 1680x1050 and below. I use 1920x1080 btw on two monitors.
Oh, I don't do SLI or Cross Fire, So really after one card setup. GTX 465 is the worst card on the market avoid at all costs Can you explain why? Just wondering, I've heard it from a lot of different forum goers now. Why is it priced higher htan the GTX 460 then and why would NVIDIA have even released it? What crowd does it cater to that the 460 didn't? People who want SLIGHTLY more performance for a few extra $? or does it not give that.
465 came before 460.
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On September 14 2010 15:08 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 09:30 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 14 2010 09:23 FragKrag wrote:On September 14 2010 08:28 haduken wrote:
Can anyone comment on GTX465 and GTX450?
GTX465 1GB is the same price as GTX460 in Australia :/
GTX450 is reasonably cheap and I really don't play that many games so I thought this might do me fine and where I've read, it is a replacement for GTS250 and for resolutions 1680x1050 and below. I use 1920x1080 btw on two monitors.
Oh, I don't do SLI or Cross Fire, So really after one card setup. GTX 465 is the worst card on the market avoid at all costs Can you explain why? Just wondering, I've heard it from a lot of different forum goers now. Why is it priced higher htan the GTX 460 then and why would NVIDIA have even released it? What crowd does it cater to that the 460 didn't? People who want SLIGHTLY more performance for a few extra $? or does it not give that. 465 came before 460.
Yes, granted, there was not much time between the launches of the two (a month or maybe two? I don't remember). Nvidia first released the GTX 480 and went downwards with model numbers.
The GTX 465, 470, and 480 actually all use the same GPU chip (GF100). GTX 460 is a tweaked design, GF104; the new GTS 450 is another design, GF106. Large silicon dies are expensive and difficult to manufacture without defects. Sometimes, if a CPU or GPU has a couple defective areas, that part of the chip may be disabled leaving the rest fully-functioning--and this remaining part can be sold at a lower price. GPUs are pretty much highly-parallel computational farms with an interface, so if one or two sections are bad, that can be dealt with. All of the GTX 465, 470, and 480 are GF100 designs with different clusters of memory and compute units disabled. The configuration of disabled parts on the GTX 465 tends to an inefficient design compared to the GTX 460.
So the GTX 465 was released both as (1) a temporary measure to get a lower-priced current-generation product out the door while they were still working on designing/testing/engineering the GTX 460 and (2) a way to sell off somewhat-defective GF100 units instead of throwing them in the trash bin. Also, the performance of the GTX 465 may have been lower than expected in the design phase, and the performance of the GTX 460 could have been higher than expected--who knows.
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I've decided I'm building a new PC. In short, what I'm looking for is a good PC that will be good for a about five years that will give me good performance for what I pay. So, I don't want to pay premiums for the newest and coolest items, but don't want to undercut myself, either.
From the OP:
What is your budget? I'm comfortable spending upwards of $1500. I'd prefer to stay closer to $1000.
What is your resolution? 1920x1080.
What are you using it for? Gaming. Lots and lots of gaming. I'm playing SC2 and BFBC2 currently, and will be playing MoH next month.
What is your upgrade cycle? I'd like to get five or so years out of a new PC.
When do you plan on building it? Now.
Do you plan on overclocking? Nope.
Do you need an Operating System? Yes, as my current OS is OEM.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I hadn't seriously considered it. I do, however, already own an HD5770.
Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg. I live in the US if it makes any difference.
Most of what I have in terms of parts and such I imagine is outdated. I'm currently running a Duo Core 2 @ 2.66 Ghz (E6750), 4GB DDR2, and have upgraded my GPU to an HD5770. I assume I could probably use the HD5770, but I'm still willing to buy another GPU.
Any thoughts?
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On September 14 2010 18:03 LazyMacro wrote:
I've decided I'm building a new PC. In short, what I'm looking for is a good PC that will be good for a about five years that will give me good performance for what I pay. So, I don't want to pay premiums for the newest and coolest items, but don't want to undercut myself, either.
From the OP:
What is your budget? I'm comfortable spending upwards of $1500. I'd prefer to stay closer to $1000.
What is your resolution? 1920x1080.
What are you using it for? Gaming. Lots and lots of gaming. I'm playing SC2 and BFBC2 currently, and will be playing MoH next month.
What is your upgrade cycle? I'd like to get five or so years out of a new PC.
When do you plan on building it? Now.
Do you plan on overclocking? Nope.
Do you need an Operating System? Yes, as my current OS is OEM.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I hadn't seriously considered it. I do, however, already own an HD5770.
Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg. I live in the US if it makes any difference.
Most of what I have in terms of parts and such I imagine is outdated. I'm currently running a Duo Core 2 @ 2.66 Ghz (E6750), 4GB DDR2, and have upgraded my GPU to an HD5770. I assume I could probably use the HD5770, but I'm still willing to buy another GPU.
Any thoughts?
What case and power supply do you have? The 5770 is an awesome card, but once you hit 1920x1080 it just doesn't cut it. Your best bet is to get a 2nd one and crossfire them.
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On September 14 2010 18:03 LazyMacro wrote:
I've decided I'm building a new PC. In short, what I'm looking for is a good PC that will be good for a about five years that will give me good performance for what I pay. So, I don't want to pay premiums for the newest and coolest items, but don't want to undercut myself, either.
From the OP:
What is your budget? I'm comfortable spending upwards of $1500. I'd prefer to stay closer to $1000.
What is your resolution? 1920x1080.
What are you using it for? Gaming. Lots and lots of gaming. I'm playing SC2 and BFBC2 currently, and will be playing MoH next month.
What is your upgrade cycle? I'd like to get five or so years out of a new PC.
When do you plan on building it? Now.
Do you plan on overclocking? Nope.
Do you need an Operating System? Yes, as my current OS is OEM.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I hadn't seriously considered it. I do, however, already own an HD5770.
Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg. I live in the US if it makes any difference.
Most of what I have in terms of parts and such I imagine is outdated. I'm currently running a Duo Core 2 @ 2.66 Ghz (E6750), 4GB DDR2, and have upgraded my GPU to an HD5770. I assume I could probably use the HD5770, but I'm still willing to buy another GPU.
Any thoughts?
Think about trying crossfire now with a second 5770. See review here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/19404/7
Your CPU is older yes ... but it can still hold its own in most, if not all, current games. I would personally wait until next year for intel's newest chips. See preview here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row/11
You could then just transfer over your 2 5770's and have a major powerhouse of a computer.
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What's the difference between the i7 875k and the i7 950? I know the latter has a slightly higher core speed and is a little cheaper but the 875k is unlocked and better for overclocking. Anything else?
The reason I ask is the build I posted has the 875k down but I can get the 950, my case (the one noted), and a mobo together as a combo and it'll take a $100 of the price. Also it'll "allow" me to go ahead and get a mobo with a 1336 socket and stay current just a little bit longer. Yes, no?
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On September 14 2010 18:03 LazyMacro wrote:
I've decided I'm building a new PC. In short, what I'm looking for is a good PC that will be good for a about five years that will give me good performance for what I pay. So, I don't want to pay premiums for the newest and coolest items, but don't want to undercut myself, either.
From the OP:
What is your budget? I'm comfortable spending upwards of $1500. I'd prefer to stay closer to $1000.
What is your resolution? 1920x1080.
What are you using it for? Gaming. Lots and lots of gaming. I'm playing SC2 and BFBC2 currently, and will be playing MoH next month.
What is your upgrade cycle? I'd like to get five or so years out of a new PC.
When do you plan on building it? Now.
Do you plan on overclocking? Nope.
Do you need an Operating System? Yes, as my current OS is OEM.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I hadn't seriously considered it. I do, however, already own an HD5770.
Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg. I live in the US if it makes any difference.
Most of what I have in terms of parts and such I imagine is outdated. I'm currently running a Duo Core 2 @ 2.66 Ghz (E6750), 4GB DDR2, and have upgraded my GPU to an HD5770. I assume I could probably use the HD5770, but I'm still willing to buy another GPU.
Any thoughts?
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13363445
Since you already have a 5770, you could dump the 5870 and get some new monitors, or add in a second 5770 on CrossFire (and a new monitor :D)
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The 2GB would also be pretty required if he ever plans to stream (which I do). But yeah, if you don't need eyefinity and aren't going to stream, the 1gb is a better choice.
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On September 15 2010 00:03 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 18:03 LazyMacro wrote:
I've decided I'm building a new PC. In short, what I'm looking for is a good PC that will be good for a about five years that will give me good performance for what I pay. So, I don't want to pay premiums for the newest and coolest items, but don't want to undercut myself, either.
From the OP:
What is your budget? I'm comfortable spending upwards of $1500. I'd prefer to stay closer to $1000.
What is your resolution? 1920x1080.
What are you using it for? Gaming. Lots and lots of gaming. I'm playing SC2 and BFBC2 currently, and will be playing MoH next month.
What is your upgrade cycle? I'd like to get five or so years out of a new PC.
When do you plan on building it? Now.
Do you plan on overclocking? Nope.
Do you need an Operating System? Yes, as my current OS is OEM.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I hadn't seriously considered it. I do, however, already own an HD5770.
Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg. I live in the US if it makes any difference.
Most of what I have in terms of parts and such I imagine is outdated. I'm currently running a Duo Core 2 @ 2.66 Ghz (E6750), 4GB DDR2, and have upgraded my GPU to an HD5770. I assume I could probably use the HD5770, but I'm still willing to buy another GPU.
Any thoughts? http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13363445Since you already have a 5770, you could dump the 5870 and get some new monitors, or add in a second 5770 on CrossFire (and a new monitor :D)
What's wrong with my monitor?
I have this.
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