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On October 13 2011 18:24 JJGamer wrote:
I'm looking forward to overclock my cpu. I got an aftermarket heatsink. Now I just need to know what to do. Anyone wanna teach me how? I have an i5-2500k and I want to start off small -- somewhere along the low 4GHz.
Cool link I found.
http://www.wikihow.com/Overclock-a-PC
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On October 13 2011 18:24 JJGamer wrote:
I'm looking forward to overclock my cpu. I got an aftermarket heatsink. Now I just need to know what to do. Anyone wanna teach me how? I have an i5-2500k and I want to start off small -- somewhere along the low 4GHz.
What motherboard do you got? At 4 you usually don't have to do much more than increase the multiplier to 40.
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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
On October 13 2011 12:53 Blisse wrote:
Okay. Posted this from a while back but I'm still getting crashes from games and Starcraft 2.
BSODs. Top half of it is cut off so I can't the numbered error message. They're completely random. The one message I got was something like dimm.sys or something. It doesnt stay long enough and they weren't words.
MemTest ran without errors.
I'm hoping my last option is buying a new hard drive, and it'd be fine if it was. I just want to know what's wrong with my system, and if that'll even fix it...
I already reformatted and reinstalled - still getting errors.
To stop windows auto rebooting;
Right click on "My Computer" > Properties > choose Advance tab > under start up and recovery click settings > under system failure uncheck automatic system restart.
You can also try this; http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html
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The PC your friend listed might be 1-2% faster for gaming, unless you OC the 2600k, but he didn't include an aftermarket heatsink, so you wouldn't be.
Oh, and most games besides SC2 are going to be GPU limited anyway.
The PSU he suggested is enough to power either rig twice. Literally. You get a worse SSD with his build, compensated for by having an overpriced storage HDD. The RAM, you're paying a huge premium for gains that are practically nonexistent, you don't need a $200 mobo when you aren't using half the features, like multi-GPU capability, and the Antec Lanboy Air is one big gimmick, and a whole lot of people do NOT like the case, for all kinds of legitimate reasons.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=204229
There's my experiences building in one. If you buy it without being informed, you WILL hate it. You need to know what you're going to be dealing with in advance, and make a conscious decision to accept the gimmicks and quirks, or it's a terrible case.
At the performance range those builds are at, the price difference between the two should be getting a much larger performance gain, via a substantially stronger GPU.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2011 22:38 JingleHell wrote:The PC your friend listed might be 1-2% faster for gaming, unless you OC the 2600k, but he didn't include an aftermarket heatsink, so you wouldn't be. Oh, and most games besides SC2 are going to be GPU limited anyway. The PSU he suggested is enough to power either rig twice. Literally. You get a worse SSD with his build, compensated for by having an overpriced storage HDD. The RAM, you're paying a huge premium for gains that are practically nonexistent, you don't need a $200 mobo when you aren't using half the features, like multi-GPU capability, and the Antec Lanboy Air is one big gimmick, and a whole lot of people do NOT like the case, for all kinds of legitimate reasons. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=204229There's my experiences building in one. If you buy it without being informed, you WILL hate it. You need to know what you're going to be dealing with in advance, and make a conscious decision to accept the gimmicks and quirks, or it's a terrible case. At the performance range those builds are at, the price difference between the two should be getting a much larger performance gain, via a substantially stronger GPU.
Thanks a lot man... You've given me a lot to think about. If the performances are really that close...I think I would rather save my money stick with what TL originally suggested. They seem a bit more practical.
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United States22154 Posts
So, I'm apparently going to have a bit of free time and a bit of spare cash, so I thought I might undertake building a computer, so that I can actually play SC2 again. I started looking up prebuilts and suddenly realized it was probably cheaper to assmble it myself, so here I am before the font of wisdom that is the TL Tech support forum, hopefully you guys can give me a hand.
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Budget: I'm willing to spend up to around 750-800$, obviously cheaper would be better, this is a flexible cap though, I can run over by a little.
Resolution: 1680x1050, probably going to end up with a dual screen setup, but I don't think that matters
Use: Gaming, some video recording and editing, I'd like to be able to stream, but thats a secondary concern. Basically I need to be able to run skyrim, SC2 and WoW.
upgrade cycle: 2 years more or less, I generally avoid upgrading untill I have no choice.
When: I intend to purchase the components and start building within say 1-2 months, possibly sooner.
Overclocking: No, I have no clue what I am doing and the last thing I need to do is screw up horribly and have my computer burst into flames or something
OS: I already have a copy of windows 7, and intend to partiton the HD to run linux too.
a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire: I've never used crossfire or SLI, but a quick google search makes me think it can't be that hard to use, and if it boosts performance I see no reason why not, assuming its not highly techincal to figure out.
Purchasing from: Microcenter or any recommended online source, I'm in the US, so it shouldin't be a huge issue.
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On October 13 2011 23:05 Phlegmatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2011 22:38 JingleHell wrote:The PC your friend listed might be 1-2% faster for gaming, unless you OC the 2600k, but he didn't include an aftermarket heatsink, so you wouldn't be. Oh, and most games besides SC2 are going to be GPU limited anyway. The PSU he suggested is enough to power either rig twice. Literally. You get a worse SSD with his build, compensated for by having an overpriced storage HDD. The RAM, you're paying a huge premium for gains that are practically nonexistent, you don't need a $200 mobo when you aren't using half the features, like multi-GPU capability, and the Antec Lanboy Air is one big gimmick, and a whole lot of people do NOT like the case, for all kinds of legitimate reasons. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=204229There's my experiences building in one. If you buy it without being informed, you WILL hate it. You need to know what you're going to be dealing with in advance, and make a conscious decision to accept the gimmicks and quirks, or it's a terrible case. At the performance range those builds are at, the price difference between the two should be getting a much larger performance gain, via a substantially stronger GPU. Thanks a lot man... You've given me a lot to think about. If the performances are really that close...I think I would rather save my money stick with what TL originally suggested. They seem a bit more practical.
Basically, if you wanted to kick your budget up to that range for performance gains, you would swap the GPU to a 6970 or a 570, and if you were willing to OC the CPU, go up to a 2500k on a P67 board with a Xigmatek Gaia heatsink. That would actually increase the total cost by less money, with more benefit to all around gaming.
In CPU limited games, it would be easily up to ~20-25% more performance, and GPU limited games, probably 10-15%. Faster RAM and a 2600k that's minimally or not OCed due to lack of aftermarket cooler would literally be 1-2% in GPU limited games at most, and maybe 3-4% in CPU limited games, depending on how well they use the cores.
For high performance on average budgets, it's all about prioritizing.
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On October 13 2011 23:13 GMarshal wrote:So, I'm apparently going to have a bit of free time and a bit of spare cash, so I thought I might undertake building a computer, so that I can actually play SC2 again. I started looking up prebuilts and suddenly realized it was probably cheaper to assmble it myself, so here I am before the font of wisdom that is the TL Tech support forum, hopefully you guys can give me a hand. + Show Spoiler +
Budget: I'm willing to spend up to around 750-800$, obviously cheaper would be better, this is a flexible cap though, I can run over by a little.
Resolution: 1680x1050, probably going to end up with a dual screen setup, but I don't think that matters
Use: Gaming, some video recording and editing, I'd like to be able to stream, but thats a secondary concern. Basically I need to be able to run skyrim, SC2 and WoW.
upgrade cycle: 2 years more or less, I generally avoid upgrading untill I have no choice.
When: I intend to purchase the components and start building within say 1-2 months, possibly sooner.
Overclocking: No, I have no clue what I am doing and the last thing I need to do is screw up horribly and have my computer burst into flames or something
OS: I already have a copy of windows 7, and intend to partiton the HD to run linux too.
a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire: I've never used crossfire or SLI, but a quick google search makes me think it can't be that hard to use, and if it boosts performance I see no reason why not, assuming its not highly techincal to figure out.
Purchasing from: Microcenter or any recommended online source, I'm in the US, so it shouldin't be a huge issue.
Go to Microcenter to get the CPU, a Core i5-2400 ($150):
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590
Also a motherboard if they're running a combo deal or special.
Otherwise, get the motherboard online and everything else online may have a better price. I didn't bother checking though, but that's usually true.
AsRock H61M/U3S3 - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236
Sapphire HD 6870 - $170 (promo ends 10/31), $150 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948
Pareema 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576006
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
LG CD / DVD-RW - $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238
Antec Neo Eco 520C (no power cord to wall included; use any old one or buy a cheap one) - $40 (very nice, promo ends 10/19), $35 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030
Cooler Master HAF 912 - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
This is well under budget but not skimping. You can spend more now, but you won't get too much better, unless you want an SSD. You may as well buy the power supply now, since it ships for free at that nice price.
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I came here 2 months ago asking for help making my pc. Thank you to those who helped, specially SkyR. Now I will be making one for my gf. But before you read more, she is not in a rush and if some crazy sales are expected in the next ~2 months (online boxing day exists?) which are not buy now or its sold out in 5 minutes (since I can only do that with CPU/GPU/RAM, no knowledge for other parts), then I will wait, if not:
What is your budget?
~1000$ including monitor (have OS)
What is your resolution?
1980x1080
What are you using it for?
Gaming (Diablo3/DragonAge2/Civ/Heroes of Might and magic/....) (no shooting games, if it matters for monitor) and everyday use (browsing), blue ray is also needed.
What is your upgrade cycle?
5 years? 
When do you plan on building it?
refer to text above, if thats not the case, soon.
Do you plan on overclocking?
assuming SB chip will be recommended, I am really not sure if a 2500k+P67+cooler price premium is worth it cause she doesnt care playing at under 60 FPS.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I know people are against it, but with such a long upgrade cycle to be expected, would it be smart to get a mobo that supports it and add another gpu in 2-3 years?
Where are you buying your parts from?
NCIX canada
Thank you again people,
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No it is not smart to get a motherboard that will support a multi-GPU configuration if your girlfriend does not care about FPS. In four years time, you'll be able to purchase a $100 card that will double the performance of a 6870 or whatever $200 card you decide to get now.
Yes there is online Black Friday and Boxing week sales in Canada but yes, NCIX usually crashes or extremely slow during this time and most of the amazing deals will be gone very quickly.
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On October 13 2011 18:41 DONTPANIC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 18:24 JJGamer wrote:
I'm looking forward to overclock my cpu. I got an aftermarket heatsink. Now I just need to know what to do. Anyone wanna teach me how? I have an i5-2500k and I want to start off small -- somewhere along the low 4GHz. Cool link I found. http://www.wikihow.com/Overclock-a-PC
Are you aware that that guide is ancient at best, and a non-specific OC guide is next to useless to begin with?
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On October 14 2011 03:13 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 18:41 DONTPANIC wrote:On October 13 2011 18:24 JJGamer wrote:
I'm looking forward to overclock my cpu. I got an aftermarket heatsink. Now I just need to know what to do. Anyone wanna teach me how? I have an i5-2500k and I want to start off small -- somewhere along the low 4GHz. Cool link I found. http://www.wikihow.com/Overclock-a-PC Are you aware that that guide is ancient at best, and a non-specific OC guide is next to useless to begin with?
Yes. I am fully aware. I'm also fully aware that JJGamer didn't give any of the information needed and a quick Google search would have answered his question pretty quickly.
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On October 14 2011 03:12 skyR wrote:
No it is not smart to get a motherboard that will support a multi-GPU configuration if your girlfriend does not care about FPS. In four years time, you'll be able to purchase a $100 card that will double the performance of a 6870 or whatever $200 card you decide to get now.
Yes there is online Black Friday and Boxing week sales in Canada but yes, NCIX usually crashes or extremely slow during this time and most of the amazing deals will be gone very quickly.
In that case, Ill wait and possibly buy some items on black friday, and everything else a few days after.
Thank you.
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On October 14 2011 03:22 DONTPANIC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 03:13 JingleHell wrote:On October 13 2011 18:41 DONTPANIC wrote:On October 13 2011 18:24 JJGamer wrote:
I'm looking forward to overclock my cpu. I got an aftermarket heatsink. Now I just need to know what to do. Anyone wanna teach me how? I have an i5-2500k and I want to start off small -- somewhere along the low 4GHz. Cool link I found. http://www.wikihow.com/Overclock-a-PC Are you aware that that guide is ancient at best, and a non-specific OC guide is next to useless to begin with? Yes. I am fully aware. I'm also fully aware that JJGamer didn't give any of the information needed and a quick Google search would have answered his question pretty quickly.
Then maybe you should have said as much, instead of linking to a terrible resource.
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United States22154 Posts
On October 13 2011 23:38 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2011 23:13 GMarshal wrote:So, I'm apparently going to have a bit of free time and a bit of spare cash, so I thought I might undertake building a computer, so that I can actually play SC2 again. I started looking up prebuilts and suddenly realized it was probably cheaper to assmble it myself, so here I am before the font of wisdom that is the TL Tech support forum, hopefully you guys can give me a hand. + Show Spoiler +
Budget: I'm willing to spend up to around 750-800$, obviously cheaper would be better, this is a flexible cap though, I can run over by a little.
Resolution: 1680x1050, probably going to end up with a dual screen setup, but I don't think that matters
Use: Gaming, some video recording and editing, I'd like to be able to stream, but thats a secondary concern. Basically I need to be able to run skyrim, SC2 and WoW.
upgrade cycle: 2 years more or less, I generally avoid upgrading untill I have no choice.
When: I intend to purchase the components and start building within say 1-2 months, possibly sooner.
Overclocking: No, I have no clue what I am doing and the last thing I need to do is screw up horribly and have my computer burst into flames or something
OS: I already have a copy of windows 7, and intend to partiton the HD to run linux too.
a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire: I've never used crossfire or SLI, but a quick google search makes me think it can't be that hard to use, and if it boosts performance I see no reason why not, assuming its not highly techincal to figure out.
Purchasing from: Microcenter or any recommended online source, I'm in the US, so it shouldin't be a huge issue.
Go to Microcenter to get the CPU, a Core i5-2400 ($150): http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590Also a motherboard if they're running a combo deal or special. Otherwise, get the motherboard online and everything else online may have a better price. I didn't bother checking though, but that's usually true. AsRock H61M/U3S3 - $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236Sapphire HD 6870 - $170 (promo ends 10/31), $150 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948Pareema 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576006Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185LG CD / DVD-RW - $18 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238Antec Neo Eco 520C (no power cord to wall included; use any old one or buy a cheap one) - $40 (very nice, promo ends 10/19), $35 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030Cooler Master HAF 912 - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233This is well under budget but not skimping. You can spend more now, but you won't get too much better, unless you want an SSD. You may as well buy the power supply now, since it ships for free at that nice price.
Wow, that was extremely fast, thank you very much, I'll be ordering the parts this weekend, and I'll make sure to post once I have it working.
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I just checked a couple of different websites and some are sold out of the FX-8150.
Wow.
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How do you know they sold out? Maybe they just never received any in the first place? Lol It wouldn't surprise me since yields seem terrible.
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Remember, there are people adamantly defending Bulldozer... (and specifically, getting mocked for it...)
I know some enthusiasts plan to buy them anyway, just for clock speed e-peenery with 9x120mm Radiator setups... remember, the first rule of marketing: people are stupid.
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