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On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k
Hi.
Assuming 4TB of storage is what he really needs:
Motherboard:
Asrock P67 Extreme4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157229
159.99$
Processor:
Intel Core i5-2500k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
219.99$
CPU Cooler:
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
26.99$
Graphics Card:
SAPPHIRE 100311-2SR Radeon HD 6970 2GB x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102918
329.99$ x 2 = 659.98$
Crossfire bridge(if not bundled with the cards):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814999002
10.99$
RAM:
Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220569
49.99$
SSD:
Crucial m4 128GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442
197.99$
Hard Drive:
SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 2TB x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245
79.99$ x 2 = 159.98$
Power Supply:
XFX Core 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011
119.99$
Optical Drive:
SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-222AB - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151233
16.99$
Total: $1,632.88 including the crossfire bridge
There's some rebates here and there.
On October 10 2011 08:10 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:02 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:46 JingleHell wrote:On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer ad for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. As a side note, from reading a finnish site for used computers, apparently a 5670 runs BF3 beta smoothly on normal graphics. I guess they brought out the 800x600 or something. What good is it to have a heavily OCable quad that hits the typical persons OC limits before it reaches the performance of locked CPUs in the same price point? No guarantees this will be the case, but I wouldn't be shocked. On October 10 2011 07:45 Medrea wrote:On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer add for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. According to NDA breakers bulldozer overclocks like shit, consuming double power with only moderate overclocks. But they set the world record for Unstressed clock speed while STILL needing LN2, didn't you see the youtube video? Just saying that's the only thing I look forward to, i completely expect their high-end CPUs to get crushed and I think it's very unlikely that they'll actually be able to bring out a decent overclockable quad for that price range, that's pretty much their only straw, though. If Bulldozer fails AMD's either going to have to do what Nvidia did with Fermi going from 400 to 500, or... they're just going to need to retire from the CPU market, pretty much. You realize Bulldozer will be their high-end for this year? You won't be seeing lower-end Bulldozer until at least Q1 2012. FX4100 might debut at $150 if performance is really pathetic...?
I know it's their high-end, so it'll be around 100-200 dollars except for the few top products that will probably have to instantly pricedrop. 150$ is exactly what I'm expecting.
Btw with this build I'm assuming your friend has 3 screens and looks to eyefinity with them, if he just plays in 1080p you can save about a thousand.
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On October 10 2011 08:17 skyR wrote:
Gigabyte BIOS isn't bad, just saying. I used one for Allendale and a friend uses one for Sandybridge. Though I think their Sandybridge BIOS is worse.
My friend has one for Bloomfield, and he had to buy an RV03 for his bog standard 120mm fan tower cooler to keep his 950 at rational temps at 3.8Ghz, with lower Uncore, and lower VTT. It wouldn't let him run at any rational Vcore with Vdroop enabled. He had to run at like 1.35v Vcore or something for 3.8Ghz. I run that under 1.3v on a 930.
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All the low-end motherboards limit OC options, from some combination of product differentiation to get people to buy more expensive products, and the hardware not being able to support it.
Looking at it some more:+ Show Spoiler [more about Gigabyte UD] +http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3974#ov- 2 oz copper PCB - see below
- Japanese solid capacitor - as mentioned above, everybody uses these where it counts
- Lower RDS(on) MOSFET - less Resistance between Drain and Source when (on) means less waste heat produced, which is actually good, most higher-end mobos will use these
- Ferrite Core - mentioned above, everyone does this
The GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ 3 design features twice the copper for both the power and ground layers of the PCB, dramatically lowering system temperature by efficiently spreading heat from critical areas of the motherboard (such as the CPU power zone) throughout the entire PCB. GIGABYTE's Ultra Durable™ 3 also lowers the PCB impedance by 50%, which helps to reduce electrical waste and further lowers component temperatures. A 2x Copper layer design also provides improved signal quality and lower EMI (Electromagnetic Interference), providing better system stability and allowing for greater margins for overclocking So thicker power planes also mean less resistance (impedance), so less waste heat from that as well. Their claim for better signal quality and lower EMI is true as well, but it's hard to say (particularly for me) how much of a difference that will make. At least mobo manufacturer marketing literature isn't total BS, unlike other fields/products.
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On October 10 2011 08:24 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:17 skyR wrote:
Gigabyte BIOS isn't bad, just saying. I used one for Allendale and a friend uses one for Sandybridge. Though I think their Sandybridge BIOS is worse. My friend has one for Bloomfield, and he had to buy an RV03 for his bog standard 120mm fan tower cooler to keep his 950 at rational temps at 3.8Ghz, with lower Uncore, and lower VTT. It wouldn't let him run at any rational Vcore with Vdroop enabled. He had to run at like 1.35v Vcore or something for 3.8Ghz. I run that under 1.3v on a 930.
Unless he tried overclocking his chip on your motherboard and you tried overclocking your chip on his, it's most probably the difference in the CPU more than anything else.
edit2: not like I've tested all these motherboards, just guessing.
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On October 10 2011 08:25 Myrmidon wrote:All the low-end motherboards limit OC options, from some combination of product differentiation to get people to buy more expensive products, and the hardware not being able to support it. Looking at it some more: + Show Spoiler [more about Gigabyte UD] +http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3974#ov- 2 oz copper PCB - see below
- Japanese solid capacitor - as mentioned above, everybody uses these where it counts
- Lower RDS(on) MOSFET - less Resistance between Drain and Source when (on) means less waste heat produced, which is actually good, most higher-end mobos will use these
- Ferrite Core - mentioned above, everyone does this
The GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ 3 design features twice the copper for both the power and ground layers of the PCB, dramatically lowering system temperature by efficiently spreading heat from critical areas of the motherboard (such as the CPU power zone) throughout the entire PCB. GIGABYTE's Ultra Durable™ 3 also lowers the PCB impedance by 50%, which helps to reduce electrical waste and further lowers component temperatures. A 2x Copper layer design also provides improved signal quality and lower EMI (Electromagnetic Interference), providing better system stability and allowing for greater margins for overclocking So thicker power planes also mean less resistance (impedance), so less waste heat from that as well. Their claim for better signal quality and lower EMI is true as well, but it's hard to say (particularly for me) how much of a difference that will make. At least mobo manufacturer marketing literature isn't total BS, unlike other fields/products.
This was an X58 board I'm referencing... Making a low end quality X58 board should be fucking fraud charges.
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Can someone comment on this desktop I plan on getting? Plan on using it to primarily play SC2 and simple college stuff (writing papers and simple programming).
Desktop for $850
Monitor for $140
Total ~$1000
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Hi guys, a friend of mine has just made a computer and has said that he is willing to sell it to me for £350. From these specs, is this a reasonable price?
AMD Phenom II X4 840 quad core socket AM3 processor
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz RAM
1TB Hitachi high speed (7200RPM) hard drive (SATA III)
GIGABYTE DDR3 AM3 motherboard
850W gaming power supply
High speed LiteOn DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Casecom mid ATX gaming case which is black with blue LED fan at the front and 2 USB ports, as well as 4 USB ports at the back.
Fully activated Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed
Fully activated Microsoft office 2007 enterprise edition
So, should I go for it? I'm not too good with things like this, so any help is appreciated!!
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On October 10 2011 08:41 Tepex wrote:Can someone comment on this desktop I plan on getting? Plan on using it to primarily play SC2 and simple college stuff (writing papers and simple programming). Desktop for $850 Monitor for $140 Total ~$1000 + Show Spoiler +
Overpriced garbage. You'll probably find some better prebuilt on Newegg from Cyberpower.
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On October 10 2011 08:41 Tepex wrote:Can someone comment on this desktop I plan on getting? Plan on using it to primarily play SC2 and simple college stuff (writing papers and simple programming). Desktop for $850 Monitor for $140 Total ~$1000 + Show Spoiler +
It's bad. A 1.5 TB HDD is probably a 5400 or 5900 RPM, meaning it's slow. AMD CPUs straight up suck, and no the extra cores don't help. You can get better in the price range, there's several examples of such in recent pages.
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On October 10 2011 08:42 tabbott26 wrote:
Hi guys, a friend of mine has just made a computer and has said that he is willing to sell it to me for £350. From these specs, is this a reasonable price?
AMD Phenom II X4 840 quad core socket AM3 processor
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz RAM
1TB Hitachi high speed (7200RPM) hard drive (SATA III)
GIGABYTE DDR3 AM3 motherboard
850W gaming power supply
High speed LiteOn DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Casecom mid ATX gaming case which is black with blue LED fan at the front and 2 USB ports, as well as 4 USB ports at the back.
Fully activated Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed
Fully activated Microsoft office 2007 enterprise edition
So, should I go for it? I'm not too good with things like this, so any help is appreciated!!
What the fuck is a gaming power supply? Your friend sounds like a dick to try and rip you off with this shit, punch him in the face and buy something that doesn't suck.
It's missing that most vital component, a GPU, and the CPU sucks. If the blue LED fan is a significant part of the specs.... yeah no.
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On October 10 2011 08:41 Tepex wrote:Can someone comment on this desktop I plan on getting? Plan on using it to primarily play SC2 and simple college stuff (writing papers and simple programming). Desktop for $850 Monitor for $140 Total ~$1000 + Show Spoiler +
its worth about 380$ if you're doing gaming and not much video editing etc
On October 10 2011 08:42 tabbott26 wrote:
Hi guys, a friend of mine has just made a computer and has said that he is willing to sell it to me for £350. From these specs, is this a reasonable price?
AMD Phenom II X4 840 quad core socket AM3 processor
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz RAM
1TB Hitachi high speed (7200RPM) hard drive (SATA III)
GIGABYTE DDR3 AM3 motherboard
850W gaming power supply
High speed LiteOn DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Casecom mid ATX gaming case which is black with blue LED fan at the front and 2 USB ports, as well as 4 USB ports at the back.
Fully activated Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed
Fully activated Microsoft office 2007 enterprise edition
So, should I go for it? I'm not too good with things like this, so any help is appreciated!!
I assume the PSU is a diablotek or some similiar piece of shit.
processor 100, ram 30, HDD 45, mobo 30, psu 25, case 10, dvd drive 15, but the win7 ultimate is good.
Overall the PC is a piece of junk that will probably explode and apparently has no graphics card so it's not a gaming PC and I assume the PSU will explode when you put a decent GPU in.
The win7 is worth like 150£ though so that makes it kinda worth it but I wouldn't buy it because shop prices aren't the only thing that matters. I'd rather have a cheap h61 and a 40 euro Celeron G530 than that AMD junk.
I pretty heavily overestimated the value of both the case and the PSU as I'm assuming they won't make your computer explode and I'm not sure if that's a smart assumption.
Are you fucking kidding me 4 usb ports at the back? That's the freaking motherboard tray.
It's a scam, don't bite.
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On October 10 2011 08:46 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:42 tabbott26 wrote:
Hi guys, a friend of mine has just made a computer and has said that he is willing to sell it to me for £350. From these specs, is this a reasonable price?
AMD Phenom II X4 840 quad core socket AM3 processor
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz RAM
1TB Hitachi high speed (7200RPM) hard drive (SATA III)
GIGABYTE DDR3 AM3 motherboard
850W gaming power supply
High speed LiteOn DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Casecom mid ATX gaming case which is black with blue LED fan at the front and 2 USB ports, as well as 4 USB ports at the back.
Fully activated Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed
Fully activated Microsoft office 2007 enterprise edition
So, should I go for it? I'm not too good with things like this, so any help is appreciated!! What the fuck is a gaming power supply? Your friend sounds like a dick to try and rip you off with this shit, punch him in the face and buy something that doesn't suck.
Probably along the same lines a gaming case.
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On October 10 2011 08:48 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:46 JingleHell wrote:On October 10 2011 08:42 tabbott26 wrote:
Hi guys, a friend of mine has just made a computer and has said that he is willing to sell it to me for £350. From these specs, is this a reasonable price?
AMD Phenom II X4 840 quad core socket AM3 processor
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz RAM
1TB Hitachi high speed (7200RPM) hard drive (SATA III)
GIGABYTE DDR3 AM3 motherboard
850W gaming power supply
High speed LiteOn DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Casecom mid ATX gaming case which is black with blue LED fan at the front and 2 USB ports, as well as 4 USB ports at the back.
Fully activated Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed
Fully activated Microsoft office 2007 enterprise edition
So, should I go for it? I'm not too good with things like this, so any help is appreciated!! What the fuck is a gaming power supply? Your friend sounds like a dick to try and rip you off with this shit, punch him in the face and buy something that doesn't suck. Probably along the same lines a gaming case.
Except with less rationale behind the name? At least a "gaming case" has an excessive flashy aesthetic, which, like it or not, could be an ostentatious look at my badass gaming rig type of display.
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On October 10 2011 08:56 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:48 Medrea wrote:On October 10 2011 08:46 JingleHell wrote:On October 10 2011 08:42 tabbott26 wrote:
Hi guys, a friend of mine has just made a computer and has said that he is willing to sell it to me for £350. From these specs, is this a reasonable price?
AMD Phenom II X4 840 quad core socket AM3 processor
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz RAM
1TB Hitachi high speed (7200RPM) hard drive (SATA III)
GIGABYTE DDR3 AM3 motherboard
850W gaming power supply
High speed LiteOn DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Casecom mid ATX gaming case which is black with blue LED fan at the front and 2 USB ports, as well as 4 USB ports at the back.
Fully activated Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed
Fully activated Microsoft office 2007 enterprise edition
So, should I go for it? I'm not too good with things like this, so any help is appreciated!! What the fuck is a gaming power supply? Your friend sounds like a dick to try and rip you off with this shit, punch him in the face and buy something that doesn't suck. Probably along the same lines a gaming case. Except with less rationale behind the name? At least a "gaming case" has an excessive flashy aesthetic, which, like it or not, could be an ostentatious look at my badass gaming rig type of display.
850W PSU in a computer that he's selling for 350£.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-psu-colorsit-black-edition-850ub-uncertified-quiet-fan-atx-v22
I'm calling it's this, looks like a true Gaming Power Supply.
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On October 10 2011 09:00 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:56 JingleHell wrote:On October 10 2011 08:48 Medrea wrote:On October 10 2011 08:46 JingleHell wrote:On October 10 2011 08:42 tabbott26 wrote:
Hi guys, a friend of mine has just made a computer and has said that he is willing to sell it to me for £350. From these specs, is this a reasonable price?
AMD Phenom II X4 840 quad core socket AM3 processor
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz RAM
1TB Hitachi high speed (7200RPM) hard drive (SATA III)
GIGABYTE DDR3 AM3 motherboard
850W gaming power supply
High speed LiteOn DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Casecom mid ATX gaming case which is black with blue LED fan at the front and 2 USB ports, as well as 4 USB ports at the back.
Fully activated Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit installed
Fully activated Microsoft office 2007 enterprise edition
So, should I go for it? I'm not too good with things like this, so any help is appreciated!! What the fuck is a gaming power supply? Your friend sounds like a dick to try and rip you off with this shit, punch him in the face and buy something that doesn't suck. Probably along the same lines a gaming case. Except with less rationale behind the name? At least a "gaming case" has an excessive flashy aesthetic, which, like it or not, could be an ostentatious look at my badass gaming rig type of display. 850W PSU in a computer that he's selling for 350£. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-psu-colorsit-black-edition-850ub-uncertified-quiet-fan-atx-v22I'm calling it's this, looks like a true Gaming Power Supply.
I didn't know Zippo made power supplies now...
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Just finished building my computer.. and now I'm preparing to install my drivers. However, I can't seem to locate my storage drive when I go on My Computer. I have a SSD and Caviar Black for storage. Also, should i install my drivers into my SSD or my caviar black?
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Drivers on SSD with your OS... did you by any chance forget to format the Caviar?
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Right Click Computer > Manage > Disk Management > format and assign a letter to your drive.
Drivers are automatically installed to C drive which would be your SSD.
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I unplugged my Caviar when I was installing the OS.. so I've never got the chance to format my caviar. BTW the Caviar is OEM if that matters.
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On October 10 2011 10:14 JJGamer wrote:
I unplugged my Caviar when I was installing the OS.. so I've never got the chance to format my caviar. BTW the Caviar is OEM if that matters.
No. Format and assign a drive letter in disk management.
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Ok stupid question but how do you format it? i got into the disk management and now what?
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