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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 19:45:20
October 09 2011 19:40 GMT
#12741
On October 10 2011 04:37 lawnie wrote:
thanks for the fast response, that does answer my question, as its sounding like it would be better to just build a cheap lean machine rather than mess around with resurrecting this piece.

thanks fellas


Yes. Unless you need legacy support, old hardware is just bad news all around, especially with amazing price/performance on low-mid range Intel systems these days.

On October 10 2011 04:39 Shikyo wrote:
my dad's going to buy vista ultimate for his AMD E-350 laptop and I'm telling him it won't run it, am I correct? o.O He has 8gb of ram sure but that processor...


Vista's main issue is HDD bloat and RAM hogging. If there's no discrete GPU he might have minor issues with Aero, but even there, you're talking Llano, so maybe not. Depends on needs.

Edit: Not Llano, Bobcat APU. Still APU.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not enough of a masochist to try it, but it will "work".
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 19:56:05
October 09 2011 19:54 GMT
#12742
okay two quick questions:

In which case in gaming would a G620 bottleneck a 6850 aside from Starcraft?

Is a 6770 512mb good enough to smoothly run games in 1680x1050 and lower and is the difference significant(worth 8 euros) in comparison to 6770 1GB at these resolutions?

On October 10 2011 04:40 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 04:39 Shikyo wrote:
my dad's going to buy vista ultimate for his AMD E-350 laptop and I'm telling him it won't run it, am I correct? o.O He has 8gb of ram sure but that processor...


Vista's main issue is HDD bloat and RAM hogging. If there's no discrete GPU he might have minor issues with Aero, but even there, you're talking Llano, so maybe not. Depends on needs.

Edit: Not Llano, Bobcat APU. Still APU.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not enough of a masochist to try it, but it will "work".

Hmm okay, I guess RAM hogging is kind of negated by him getting a total overkill amount of ram so maybe it'll work out in the end
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
October 09 2011 20:43 GMT
#12743
from my experience, vista isn't much different from w7 in terms of ram usage
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 09 2011 20:54 GMT
#12744
On October 10 2011 05:43 mahnini wrote:
from my experience, vista isn't much different from w7 in terms of ram usage


Eh, I was averaging ~300MB higher for Vista. Not much these days, no, but still significant for some people. Remember, there were actually games where the system requirements listed more RAM for Vista than for XP and 7.

A lot of the early complaints about Vista were due to it being bundled on machines with <2GB RAM.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 09 2011 21:03 GMT
#12745
Vista is also dx10 land which is not supported anywhere near as dx9 or dx11.
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Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
October 09 2011 21:05 GMT
#12746
On October 10 2011 04:54 Shikyo wrote:
okay two quick questions:

In which case in gaming would a G620 bottleneck a 6850 aside from Starcraft?

Is a 6770 512mb good enough to smoothly run games in 1680x1050 and lower and is the difference significant(worth 8 euros) in comparison to 6770 1GB at these resolutions?

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 04:40 JingleHell wrote:
On October 10 2011 04:39 Shikyo wrote:
my dad's going to buy vista ultimate for his AMD E-350 laptop and I'm telling him it won't run it, am I correct? o.O He has 8gb of ram sure but that processor...


Vista's main issue is HDD bloat and RAM hogging. If there's no discrete GPU he might have minor issues with Aero, but even there, you're talking Llano, so maybe not. Depends on needs.

Edit: Not Llano, Bobcat APU. Still APU.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not enough of a masochist to try it, but it will "work".

Hmm okay, I guess RAM hogging is kind of negated by him getting a total overkill amount of ram so maybe it'll work out in the end


Your looking at games that would benefit from more than 2 cores, although i'm not exactly sure what you mean by bottleneck. I'm assuming you mean the CPU is the one capping the fps. It would still be playable though.

Intel i5-750 @ 4 ghz with a GTX 460 with different configs of active cores:

Mass Effect 2
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/game-performance-bottleneck,2738-5.html

I'm assuming the same would happen on BFBC2 / BF3 with more or less heavier severity.

LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 21:18:05
October 09 2011 21:16 GMT
#12747
I mean in what kind of situations in gaming would the performance of 6850 be limited by the G620


if I'm judging the link you gave properly the G620 should go well with a 6850 without limiting it
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 09 2011 21:18 GMT
#12748
On October 10 2011 06:16 Shikyo wrote:
I mean in what kind of situations in gaming would the performance of 6850 be limited by the G620


In situations where the CPU is the limiting factor. This is a google question man.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 21:51:00
October 09 2011 21:31 GMT
#12749
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130621

What do you guys think about this motherboard for a user that needs x8 x8 to maybe make the best use of his 120hz monitor.

MSI Z68A-G43 (G3) LGA 1155 Intel Z68

For Crossfire. If asking why z68, its because it is part of a combo deal on micro center, they knock like 80 bucks off an i7 if you choose a z68 to pal around with it.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 09 2011 21:50 GMT
#12750
It has Z68 and CrossfireX support but everything else looks worse than the C43.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 09 2011 21:51 GMT
#12751
On October 10 2011 06:50 skyR wrote:
It has Z68 and CrossfireX support but everything else looks worse than the C43.


Please continue. Explodes?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 09 2011 21:53 GMT
#12752
The C43 uses SFC phases, the Z68 G43 does not.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 21:58:43
October 09 2011 21:58 GMT
#12753
Well the problem is that I am stuck with this list of boards.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?Ntt=z68&N=0&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

What in that list is good for x8x8 minimum Crossfire. There is the gigabyte one for a bit more that i was looking at.
twitch.tv/medrea
Peanutbutt3r
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 22:01:33
October 09 2011 21:59 GMT
#12754
I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.

Current setup :

Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU

I'm looking at these upgrades :

ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.

Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes.
From the sky scraper, down to the submarine
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 09 2011 22:15 GMT
#12755
Ignore me. I found the mATX that skyR linked a long time ago. That really is a fucking sweet deal for x8x8 support.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 09 2011 22:16 GMT
#12756
On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.

Current setup :

Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU

I'm looking at these upgrades :

ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.

Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes.


NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it.


On October 10 2011 06:58 Medrea wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well the problem is that I am stuck with this list of boards.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?Ntt=z68&N=0&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

What in that list is good for x8x8 minimum Crossfire. There is the gigabyte one for a bit more that i was looking at.


D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 09 2011 22:18 GMT
#12757
Yeah, but since my friend was using a 120hz monitor I felt that x8x8 was necessary or my suggestion would have been way easier. I found the right board, happens to be the same one you linked in this thread awhile ago.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 22:44:19
October 09 2011 22:44 GMT
#12758
On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.

Current setup :

Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU

I'm looking at these upgrades :

ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.

Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes.


NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it.


Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 06:58 Medrea wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well the problem is that I am stuck with this list of boards.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?Ntt=z68&N=0&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

What in that list is good for x8x8 minimum Crossfire. There is the gigabyte one for a bit more that i was looking at.


D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43.


Then is the UD2H worth the upgrade over the D2H? Something about SFC phases.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 22:44:59
October 09 2011 22:44 GMT
#12759
On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.

Current setup :

Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU

I'm looking at these upgrades :

ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.

Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes.


NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it.


Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 06:58 Medrea wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well the problem is that I am stuck with this list of boards.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?Ntt=z68&N=0&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

What in that list is good for x8x8 minimum Crossfire. There is the gigabyte one for a bit more that i was looking at.


D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43.

Hey I just saw a bulldozer ad for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range.


As a side note, from reading a finnish site for used computers, apparently a 5670 runs BF3 beta smoothly on normal graphics. I guess they brought out the 800x600 or something.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 09 2011 22:45 GMT
#12760
On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:
On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.

Current setup :

Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU

I'm looking at these upgrades :

ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.

Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes.


NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it.


On October 10 2011 06:58 Medrea wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well the problem is that I am stuck with this list of boards.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?Ntt=z68&N=0&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

What in that list is good for x8x8 minimum Crossfire. There is the gigabyte one for a bit more that i was looking at.


D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43.

Hey I just saw a bulldozer add for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range.


According to NDA breakers bulldozer overclocks like shit, consuming double power with only moderate overclocks.
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