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On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer ad for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. As a side note, from reading a finnish site for used computers, apparently a 5670 runs BF3 beta smoothly on normal graphics. I guess they brought out the 800x600 or something.
What good is it to have a heavily OCable quad that hits the typical persons OC limits before it reaches the performance of locked CPUs in the same price point?
No guarantees this will be the case, but I wouldn't be shocked.
On October 10 2011 07:45 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer add for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. According to NDA breakers bulldozer overclocks like shit, consuming double power with only moderate overclocks.
But they set the world record for Unstressed clock speed while STILL needing LN2, didn't you see the youtube video?
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Regardless of how overclockable it is, if it can't compete with Intel's offerings that are at stock. That's pretty pathetic. Rumors also suggest that you'll be getting an octo core at $200.
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Yeah I saw that video, it had some lol moments in it.
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A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc.
He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it.
http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k
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On October 10 2011 07:49 Medrea wrote:
Yeah I saw that video, it had some lol moments in it.
I almost died laughing. At first I thought it was someone making fun of them...
On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k
Yes, lots of room for improvement. The SSD, and PSU don't make me want to vomit.
Ph2 x6 is just bad CPU. All AMD is just bad CPU. Nobody expects different from Bulldozer, so no excuse to buy a bad CPU and mobo now.
16GB of RAM that's overpriced anyways? No. Unless he plans to draw the Taj Mahal, to scale, in photoshop.
7200RPM drives aren't storage drives, especially with a 120GB SSD.
No aftermarket CPU cooler listed in a rig with crossfireX.
CrossfireX 6970 in a rig with a CPU that will limit a single 6970 in most games.
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I think im going to need an explanation of what SFC phases are and if they make a 25 dollar difference.
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On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k
So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is.
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On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k
This build is terrible because it uses AMD technology path which is dead right now and perhaps in the future as well.
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On October 10 2011 07:53 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is.
yea my friend tends to favor AMD over Intel, which is also the reason why hes going with ATI as well lol. What should he change? I couldn't give him any advice as I don't have the slighest clue whats hot in the market.
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On October 10 2011 07:56 strikerz200 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:53 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is. yea my friend tends to favor AMD over Intel, which is also the reason why hes going with ATI as well lol. What should he change? I couldn't give him any advice as I don't have the slighest clue whats hot in the market.
He should change all but the PSU and SSD. I guess the case is tolerably bad instead of shit.
I edited in some reasons up above in last post.
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On October 10 2011 07:56 strikerz200 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:53 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is. yea my friend tends to favor AMD over Intel, which is also the reason why hes going with ATI as well lol. What should he change? I couldn't give him any advice as I don't have the slighest clue whats hot in the market.
There's no reason to favor AMD processors at the moment. They're simply inferior. Graphics cards are fine, however.
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On October 10 2011 08:00 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:56 strikerz200 wrote:On October 10 2011 07:53 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is. yea my friend tends to favor AMD over Intel, which is also the reason why hes going with ATI as well lol. What should he change? I couldn't give him any advice as I don't have the slighest clue whats hot in the market. There's no reason to favor AMD processors at the moment. They're simply inferior. Graphics cards are fine, however.
Yeah, unless you're planning to do CrossfireX 6970's on a Ph2 anything, without even sticking in a cooler to OC the bad CPU... Oh, and in a mediocre case for cooling.
Oh, and Gigabyte mobo is bad for overclocking anyway.
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On October 10 2011 07:46 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer ad for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. As a side note, from reading a finnish site for used computers, apparently a 5670 runs BF3 beta smoothly on normal graphics. I guess they brought out the 800x600 or something. What good is it to have a heavily OCable quad that hits the typical persons OC limits before it reaches the performance of locked CPUs in the same price point? No guarantees this will be the case, but I wouldn't be shocked. Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:45 Medrea wrote:On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer add for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. According to NDA breakers bulldozer overclocks like shit, consuming double power with only moderate overclocks. But they set the world record for Unstressed clock speed while STILL needing LN2, didn't you see the youtube video?
Just saying that's the only thing I look forward to, i completely expect their high-end CPUs to get crushed and I think it's very unlikely that they'll actually be able to bring out a decent overclockable quad for that price range, that's pretty much their only straw, though.
If Bulldozer fails AMD's either going to have to do what Nvidia did with Fermi going from 400 to 500, or... they're just going to need to retire from the CPU market, pretty much.
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On October 10 2011 07:58 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:56 strikerz200 wrote:On October 10 2011 07:53 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is. yea my friend tends to favor AMD over Intel, which is also the reason why hes going with ATI as well lol. What should he change? I couldn't give him any advice as I don't have the slighest clue whats hot in the market. He should change all but the PSU and SSD. I guess the case is tolerably bad instead of shit. I edited in some reasons up above in last post.
Thanks for the heads up, I'll let him know
What would be the best CPU + GPU ? within his budget limit
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On October 10 2011 07:56 strikerz200 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:53 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is. yea my friend tends to favor AMD over Intel, which is also the reason why hes going with ATI as well lol. What should he change? I couldn't give him any advice as I don't have the slighest clue whats hot in the market.
Tell him to look at benchmarks of the core i5 2500k and core i7 2600k such as this one: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x.html Make him realize that AMD processors suck for such an expensive build. If he really wants to remain with AMD, wait for October 12th which is the expected date for the unveiling of Bulldozer. Remember that AMD's new offerings are still not expected to outperform the core i7 2600k or core i5 2500k in gaming.
AMD is actually competitive in the GPU market, unlike in the CPU market where Intel is just a monopoly. AMD's current 6000 offerings are actually arguably the best available options. I don't think 6970's performance justifies its price premium over the 6950. I would suggest getting 6950 instead, maybe even the 1gb variant.
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On October 10 2011 08:03 strikerz200 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:58 JingleHell wrote:On October 10 2011 07:56 strikerz200 wrote:On October 10 2011 07:53 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 07:49 strikerz200 wrote:A friend of mine is finally ready to build his "dream" pc. He currently has antec 1200 full tower case and thats about it. http://i.imgur.com/HCswv.png This is what he sent me, I'm sure there are tons of rooms for improvement. He's budget is around 1.5~1.8k So what do you want us to tell you if this is a dream PC? Besides the fact that getting an AMD processor is a complete joke since it's performance is five years old. Your friend may as well wait until October 12th to see how pathetic or not pathetic Bulldozer is if your friend is an AMD fanboy which appears that he is. yea my friend tends to favor AMD over Intel, which is also the reason why hes going with ATI as well lol. What should he change? I couldn't give him any advice as I don't have the slighest clue whats hot in the market. He should change all but the PSU and SSD. I guess the case is tolerably bad instead of shit. I edited in some reasons up above in last post. Thanks for the heads up, I'll let him know What would be the best CPU + GPU ? within his budget limit
i5 2500k on a P67 board with an aftermarket CPU cooler, and if he really wants insane performance, a 6970 or 570. 570 might OC slightly better. He really doesn't need two of either unless he wants multi-display gaming.
To shamelessly self-promote...
My opinion on enthusiast configurations.
Multi-GPU and Display explained
The rest of these guys probably roll their eyes by now when I do this. Although it saves a lot of typing to just be able to link to it.
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On October 10 2011 08:02 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:46 JingleHell wrote:On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer ad for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. As a side note, from reading a finnish site for used computers, apparently a 5670 runs BF3 beta smoothly on normal graphics. I guess they brought out the 800x600 or something. What good is it to have a heavily OCable quad that hits the typical persons OC limits before it reaches the performance of locked CPUs in the same price point? No guarantees this will be the case, but I wouldn't be shocked. On October 10 2011 07:45 Medrea wrote:On October 10 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:On October 10 2011 07:16 skyR wrote:On October 10 2011 06:59 Peanutbutt3r wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm currently looking to upgrade my Mobo, ram and CPU, and am in need of some advice.
Current setup :
Asus P5QSE 775 socket 775 Socket
4 GB Kingston ram
Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo CPU
Radeon HD 5870 GPU
Corsair 750 watts PSU
I'm looking at these upgrades :
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro M 1155 Socket
4 or potentially 8 GB's of Corsair ram,
Core i5 I5-2500K or a Core i7 I7-2600K 8 MB. Probably gonna get the i5, since the i7 is about 1/4 more expensive.
Is it worth it for me to upgrade? Or should I maybe wait a bit, for when the new AMD CPU's hit the stores? I'm primarily upgrading for gaming purposes. NDA for Bulldozer is suppose to lift on the 12th I think? So it's not that long of a wait but expectations for it are at an extreme low since it's been delayed numerous times and there has been no hype or marketing of it. D2H, UD2H are all budget CrossfireX boards. D2H is similar to that of the G43. Hey I just saw a bulldozer add for IPL. Also most of my expectations would be for a heavily overclockable, decent quad in the 100-180$ price range. According to NDA breakers bulldozer overclocks like shit, consuming double power with only moderate overclocks. But they set the world record for Unstressed clock speed while STILL needing LN2, didn't you see the youtube video? Just saying that's the only thing I look forward to, i completely expect their high-end CPUs to get crushed and I think it's very unlikely that they'll actually be able to bring out a decent overclockable quad for that price range, that's pretty much their only straw, though. If Bulldozer fails AMD's either going to have to do what Nvidia did with Fermi going from 400 to 500, or... they're just going to need to retire from the CPU market, pretty much.
You realize Bulldozer will be their high-end for this year? You won't be seeing lower-end Bulldozer until at least Q1 2012. FX4100 might debut at $150 if performance is really pathetic...?
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On October 10 2011 07:51 Medrea wrote:
I think im going to need an explanation of what SFC phases are and if they make a 25 dollar difference.
SFC = Super Ferrite Choke, mostly marketing crap by MSI. It implies that the inductors (chokes) used in the CPU voltage regulation circuitry are of higher quality. Maybe they are? Most every motherboard you can buy at retail these days uses ferrite chokes. This is a bit less important than using high-quality capacitors for the voltage regulation modules.
See here:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-The-Motherboard-Voltage-Regulator-Circuit/616/2
That's probably not the only difference between the motherboards though.
Gigabyte motherboards that are UD instead of D are so-called "ultra durable" because of extra copper in the power planes (can't hurt I guess, when dealing with higher power draw, but I don't know if it really makes a difference) and some other things.
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On October 10 2011 08:13 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:51 Medrea wrote:
I think im going to need an explanation of what SFC phases are and if they make a 25 dollar difference. SFC = Super Ferrite Choke, mostly marketing crap by MSI. It implies that the inductors (chokes) used in the CPU voltage regulation circuitry are of higher quality. Maybe they are? Most every motherboard you can buy at retail these days uses ferrite chokes. This is a bit less important than using high-quality capacitors for the voltage regulation modules. See here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-The-Motherboard-Voltage-Regulator-Circuit/616/2That's probably not the only difference between the motherboards though. Gigabyte motherboards that are UD instead of D are so-called "ultra durable" because of extra copper in the power planes (can't hurt I guess, when dealing with higher power draw, but I don't know if it really makes a difference) and some other things.
They're extra durable because the effing enigmatic BIOS was designed by chipmunks and you can't OC on them properly, limiting the damage you can do.
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Gigabyte BIOS isn't bad, just saying. I used one for Allendale and a friend uses one for Sandybridge. Though I think their Sandybridge BIOS is worse.
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