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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 17:31:08
July 07 2011 17:28 GMT
#8001
On July 07 2011 19:39 Legatus Lanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 17:58 HuggyBear wrote:
On July 07 2011 16:55 Legatus Lanius wrote:
hey guys, any advice on a good set of headphones for blocking out external noise? i dont really give a toss about the quality of sound coming out of them, i just want them to block as much noise out as possible.

can you get headphones that just block noise, similar to what kespa has the sc players wear over their earbud headphones? if they are better ill buy those coz ive got a pair of el cheapo earbud headphones. i live in australia and will probably buy from PCCG but anywhere in aus (or overseas if they export) should be fine

P.S how much can i expect for something like this of decent quality? im not the kind of guy that gives a fuck about peripherals so i dont really want to be forking out 200 dollars for some plastic shit over my ears


Well if you listen to music on your PC, Good music headphones also double as good gaming headphones.

Headphonic is Australia's specialised headphone store. Chuck us a post in the forums and the staff and owner would be glad to give you a recommendation.

http://headphones.com.au/

If it were me, I'd give the SRH840's a look. http://headphones.com.au/psingle?productID=446

Even the SRH440's are a good pick http://headphones.com.au/psingle?productID=445


thanks bro, ill defo check it out


Sennheiser HD 280 should be good for you then, though it clamps hard to do so. Beyerdynamic DT 770 M isolates even more, but that's more expensive. The normal DT 770 versions isolate well, but apparently that one isolates even better. However, keep in mind that deep-insertion IEMs (canalphones) have better isolation than any fullsize headphone.

[image loading]

The Etymotics above are IEMs. Most Etymotics have better isolation than most other IEMs.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 17:46:16
July 07 2011 17:45 GMT
#8002
On July 07 2011 16:28 samiamquinn wrote:
I've finally convinced my dad that letting me buy a computer isn't a stupid idea so I'm looking to order my parts pretty soon. My final budget is $1200 including a screen and operating system ($300) so I have around $900 to spend on the rest. I'll be using a 1920 x 1080 resolution and I do plan on overclocking.I want to be able to play games comfortably with good graphics and use Photoshop and some video editing software without problems. Could someone please suggest a build for me?

Edit: I'd like to order the parts on this website http://pccasegear.com/. I also like the look of this case http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_31&products_id=11207, is it any good?


Cooler Master Storm Scout is not bad, so if that's what you want, then get it.

Core i5-2500k - $225
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16531

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $33
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12544

AsRock P67 Pro - $120 (note, spend $15 more on the Pro3 if you want USB3 and more VRM phases)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17013

MSI HD 6870 Hawk (cheapest HD 6870 was just $10 less) - $210
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16740

G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $80
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16930

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=15934

Lite-On CD / DVD-RW - $30
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=658_667&products_id=11487

Antec Neo Eco 450C (note: doesn't come with power cord, but any old one will work) - $60
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13454

Cooler Master Storm Scout - $100
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11207
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
July 07 2011 18:35 GMT
#8003
Will the new Ivy Bridge processors work on any 1155 socket boards? I'm kind of debating if I should just go for a cheaper H61 board + I5 2400 combo and have the option to get an IB cpu down the road instead of going for a more expensive i5 2500K + P67 combo right now if I'm going to upgrade later.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 07 2011 18:48 GMT
#8004
On July 08 2011 03:35 djcube wrote:
Will the new Ivy Bridge processors work on any 1155 socket boards? I'm kind of debating if I should just go for a cheaper H61 board + I5 2400 combo and have the option to get an IB cpu down the road instead of going for a more expensive i5 2500K + P67 combo right now if I'm going to upgrade later.


No one knows for a fact but it's highly expected that many boards will be capable of supporting Ivybridge with a BIOS update. There may be some boards such as the low-end H61 models not capable of doing so though. This kind of thing has been witnessed in the past with the 65nm to 45nm transition and P35 boards.
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 19:36:25
July 07 2011 19:25 GMT
#8005
If I wanted to build something for between $800-1000 and I have all the peripherals like mouse, keyboard, monitor, etc covered as well as an old DVD drive I can cannibalize, what parts would I want to get?

I don't know ANYTHING about computers. This is the first computer I'll be building. I've had a custom one before but my friend put it together after I bought the parts. It's not complicated from what I understand but I also know absolutely nothing so I'll be learning as I go. I don't intend to overclock or any of that crap unless there's no chance it can harm the hardware and it's really easy to do.

Oh and something else I wanted to ask, is it that important to use one of those anti static wrist bands? Every website tells you to use one, but I've never seen anyone using one and my friend didn't use one last time he built my computer.




Budget: $800-1000 USD

Resolution: 1920x1080

Use: Gaming, school, the usual. Probably just gaming, my schoolwork is mostly just pdf and word work. I want to be able to play any games out currently and in the next year or so without too much trouble, be able to stream at high resolutions etc

Upgrade cycle: Probably 2 years with this budget

When: In a couple months, but thought I'd get the ball rolling here

Overclocking: Not really, don't know anything. If it's easy and doesn't damage the hardware physically I could try it.

OS: I have one already.

2nd GPU: Probably not

Buying from: Anywhere that I can get it for cheap, I have a nearby Fry's and in the past I've usually used Newegg

JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 07 2011 19:28 GMT
#8006
On July 08 2011 04:25 Ganfei2 wrote:
If I wanted to build something for between $800-1000 and I have all the peripherals like mouse, keyboard, monitor, etc covered as well as an old DVD drive I can cannibalize, what parts would I want to get?

I don't know ANYTHING about computers. This is the first computer I'll be building. I've had a custom one before but my friend put it together after I bought the parts. It's not complicated from what I understand but I also know absolutely nothing so I'll be learning as I go. I don't intend to overclock or any of that crap unless there's no chance it can harm the hardware and it's really easy to do.


Well, OCing is much easier than it was, but there's always some chance of damage if you do it wrong.

Good decision on building though. At that budget, you're pretty much set for a solid rig, but you need to fill in the info from the beginning of the thread to get a build.
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
July 07 2011 19:36 GMT
#8007
Added the info to my post
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 07 2011 19:39 GMT
#8008
Oh, if you're not buying now, no point. Prices and sales change in a couple of months.
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
July 07 2011 19:49 GMT
#8009
I know but I want to know what the best things are now so I can go look at them and familiarize myself with some terms and stuff like that
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 07 2011 19:52 GMT
#8010
On July 08 2011 04:49 Ganfei2 wrote:
I know but I want to know what the best things are now so I can go look at them and familiarize myself with some terms and stuff like that


If you want to just know what the best general things are and familiarize yourself with the terms, just read through the last few weeks of posts here. In particular, skyR, Myrmidon, Womwomwom's stuff will be good to look at. Basically, anything that links to an article or benchmark can give you good info as well.

As for a specific build though, those just change a bit too much over time.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 07 2011 20:52 GMT
#8011
On July 08 2011 02:45 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 16:28 samiamquinn wrote:
I've finally convinced my dad that letting me buy a computer isn't a stupid idea so I'm looking to order my parts pretty soon. My final budget is $1200 including a screen and operating system ($300) so I have around $900 to spend on the rest. I'll be using a 1920 x 1080 resolution and I do plan on overclocking.I want to be able to play games comfortably with good graphics and use Photoshop and some video editing software without problems. Could someone please suggest a build for me?

Edit: I'd like to order the parts on this website http://pccasegear.com/. I also like the look of this case http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_31&products_id=11207, is it any good?


Cooler Master Storm Scout is not bad, so if that's what you want, then get it.

Core i5-2500k - $225
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16531

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $33
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12544

AsRock P67 Pro - $120 (note, spend $15 more on the Pro3 if you want USB3 and more VRM phases)
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17013

MSI HD 6870 Hawk (cheapest HD 6870 was just $10 less) - $210
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16740

G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $80
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16930

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=15934

Lite-On CD / DVD-RW - $30
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=658_667&products_id=11487

Antec Neo Eco 450C (note: doesn't come with power cord, but any old one will work) - $60
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13454

Cooler Master Storm Scout - $100
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11207


while shopping myself, i found this RAM which i think is a better choice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144&cm_sp=ProductSpotlight-_-20-233-144-_-07072011
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 07 2011 20:53 GMT
#8012
On July 08 2011 02:28 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 19:39 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On July 07 2011 17:58 HuggyBear wrote:
On July 07 2011 16:55 Legatus Lanius wrote:
hey guys, any advice on a good set of headphones for blocking out external noise? i dont really give a toss about the quality of sound coming out of them, i just want them to block as much noise out as possible.

can you get headphones that just block noise, similar to what kespa has the sc players wear over their earbud headphones? if they are better ill buy those coz ive got a pair of el cheapo earbud headphones. i live in australia and will probably buy from PCCG but anywhere in aus (or overseas if they export) should be fine

P.S how much can i expect for something like this of decent quality? im not the kind of guy that gives a fuck about peripherals so i dont really want to be forking out 200 dollars for some plastic shit over my ears


Well if you listen to music on your PC, Good music headphones also double as good gaming headphones.

Headphonic is Australia's specialised headphone store. Chuck us a post in the forums and the staff and owner would be glad to give you a recommendation.

http://headphones.com.au/

If it were me, I'd give the SRH840's a look. http://headphones.com.au/psingle?productID=446

Even the SRH440's are a good pick http://headphones.com.au/psingle?productID=445


thanks bro, ill defo check it out


Sennheiser HD 280 should be good for you then, though it clamps hard to do so. Beyerdynamic DT 770 M isolates even more, but that's more expensive. The normal DT 770 versions isolate well, but apparently that one isolates even better. However, keep in mind that deep-insertion IEMs (canalphones) have better isolation than any fullsize headphone.

[image loading]

The Etymotics above are IEMs. Most Etymotics have better isolation than most other IEMs.


As an owner of the HD 280 I can say that at first it will feel like a deathgrip

but you get used to it later on. The only thing that is really missing with these headphones is a deep bass, but it doesn't really color the sound so it's to be expected.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Aphoristic
Profile Joined June 2011
United States9 Posts
July 07 2011 20:58 GMT
#8013
I have a friend who needs a build for capturing, editing, and rendering videos. His budget is 1200 to 1500 dollars (US). I think he has an OS. He also wants to use a Black Magic Intensity Pro which is 200 dollars right there.

He was looking at some bundle that included a 6 core AMD processor, but I can't find it anymore. I'm not sure if 6 cores is really needed (he has Sony Vegas for editing), as I just told him a 4 core would be fine.

In sort, if anyone could give me a build to pass onto him, that would be great. I honestly don't know what would work best for his needs (he said he doesn't plan on gaming with it).
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 21:01:07
July 07 2011 21:00 GMT
#8014
On July 08 2011 05:58 Aphoristic wrote:
I have a friend who needs a build for capturing, editing, and rendering videos. His budget is 1200 to 1500 dollars (US). I think he has an OS. He also wants to use a Black Magic Intensity Pro which is 200 dollars right there.

He was looking at some bundle that included a 6 core AMD processor, but I can't find it anymore. I'm not sure if 6 cores is really needed (he has Sony Vegas for editing), as I just told him a 4 core would be fine.

In sort, if anyone could give me a build to pass onto him, that would be great. I honestly don't know what would work best for his needs (he said he doesn't plan on gaming with it).


A current gen i5 is a much better choice than an AMD hex core.

OCing? Resolution? The usual questions need answered.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 07 2011 21:29 GMT
#8015
On July 08 2011 05:58 Aphoristic wrote:
I have a friend who needs a build for capturing, editing, and rendering videos. His budget is 1200 to 1500 dollars (US). I think he has an OS. He also wants to use a Black Magic Intensity Pro which is 200 dollars right there.

He was looking at some bundle that included a 6 core AMD processor, but I can't find it anymore. I'm not sure if 6 cores is really needed (he has Sony Vegas for editing), as I just told him a 4 core would be fine.

In sort, if anyone could give me a build to pass onto him, that would be great. I honestly don't know what would work best for his needs (he said he doesn't plan on gaming with it).


i think for your friend's purposes, even including software he can get a top notch desktop built for under 1k. would cutting unnecessary costs be a factor?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 21:34:40
July 07 2011 21:33 GMT
#8016
On July 08 2011 06:00 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 05:58 Aphoristic wrote:
I have a friend who needs a build for capturing, editing, and rendering videos. His budget is 1200 to 1500 dollars (US). I think he has an OS. He also wants to use a Black Magic Intensity Pro which is 200 dollars right there.

He was looking at some bundle that included a 6 core AMD processor, but I can't find it anymore. I'm not sure if 6 cores is really needed (he has Sony Vegas for editing), as I just told him a 4 core would be fine.

In sort, if anyone could give me a build to pass onto him, that would be great. I honestly don't know what would work best for his needs (he said he doesn't plan on gaming with it).


A current gen i5 is a much better choice than an AMD hex core.

OCing? Resolution? The usual questions need answered.


Do you have any idea what you're talking about in this case? recommending an i5 for a video rendering setup?

He has said more than enough for us to recommend a decent system for his use.

Assuming relatively heavy use for encoding, editing etc (not just some kid that pirated Vegas and wants to try it out)

Intel i7 2600 $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115071
ASRock P67 $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230
GSkill 8GB $85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231402
Intel 510 120GB $285
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167042
Corsair 430W $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
Random Cooler Master Case $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119161
Samsung F3 1TB $65 (add as many as he thinks he needs)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Not sure about this, but I do know that Sony Vegas supports CUDA instructions.
NVidia Quadro FX580 $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133273
It's just an entry level Quadro, and I'm not sure if Geforce cards can substitute for Quadros in Sony Vegas.

Total comes out to $950 ($1210 if you add the Quadro, and more if you decide to get more hard drives)

RAM can also be expanded to 16GB
GSkill 16GB $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441

I'm not exactly sure how the GPU works with vegas or with the other programs, but I remember Nvidia being better with their drivers.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 21:40:32
July 07 2011 21:39 GMT
#8017
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288

Yes, I'm pretty sure I do. Especially given that the 2500k will OC like a beast, and rendering will only scale up with that.

Obviously, a 2600k will beat an i5, but the AMD's extra cores still don't make up for the architecture and superior OC capabilities in a 2500k in the end. Anyways, the 2600k, you'd probably do better losing the HyperThreading for higher clock, at which point the i5 is just as good.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 07 2011 21:40 GMT
#8018
On July 08 2011 06:39 JingleHell wrote:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288

Yes, I'm pretty sure I do. Especially given that the 2500k will OC like a beast, and rendering will only scale up with that.


again, you're going to recommend an i5 for a multithreaded task?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 21:45:43
July 07 2011 21:41 GMT
#8019
On July 08 2011 06:40 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 06:39 JingleHell wrote:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288

Yes, I'm pretty sure I do. Especially given that the 2500k will OC like a beast, and rendering will only scale up with that.


again, you're going to recommend an i5 for a multithreaded task?


Read my edit and open your mind, instead of just thinking hyperthreading is better than the thermal headroom for OCing.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, run some tests, HT is murder on core temps.

Oh, and it spikes required voltage for stability, too.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 07 2011 21:45 GMT
#8020
Assuming everybody does want to overclock (which is a terrible assumption), assuming everybody can (which again is a terrible assumption), and then also assuming that everybody is willing to (terrible assumption), it doesn't matter.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=288

Take a look at any of the multithreaded benchmarks and tell me that .1GHz is going to make that difference.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
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