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On June 11 2011 12:24 HuggyBear wrote:
What's the difference between the Z68 and P67 boards?
Is SSD Caching worth it on a 60 Gb SSD? or is it better to just stick with the P67 and manually manage the drives?
Z68 allows you to use the IGP which in turn allows you to use Quick Sync and also SSD caching which you already mentioned.
SSD Caching is not worth it for a 60GB SSD.
There are certain pricepoints where you would pick a Z68 over a P67 regardless if you need what the Z68 provides or not.
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Just got my order from NCIX!!
So before I remove the mobo to swap for the I5 2500k, I need to know a few things :
Should I format my computer before swapping to a new Mobo/CPU?
If I have to format, is there a way to 'save' some stuff of SC2? Say all the patches... (I have 2 HD on this computer, 1 with Windows installation and all games and programs, 1 for storage)
About OC... Did you guys use the auto OC from the Mobo to overclock the I5 2500k? Or should I manually do it? I haven't done any OC with Intel, only with AMD. But I suppose its the same thing, right?
ty!
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Yes, it is highly recommended to do a format when you are switching to a new socket.
You can just copy paste Starcraft II onto another drive and copy paste it back afterwards.
Do it manually. It's simply go into BIOS, increase multiplier to a value between 40 and 50. You can leave voltage set to auto but it's recommended you also set this manually, between 1.2v - 1.3v / higher depending on your overclock.
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On June 11 2011 12:26 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 12:24 HuggyBear wrote:
What's the difference between the Z68 and P67 boards?
Is SSD Caching worth it on a 60 Gb SSD? or is it better to just stick with the P67 and manually manage the drives? Z68 allows you to use the IGP which in turn allows you to use Quick Sync and also SSD caching which you already mentioned. SSD Caching is not worth it for a 60GB SSD. There are certain pricepoints where you would pick a Z68 over a P67 regardless if you need what the Z68 provides or not.
At what sizes would it be worth it to use SSD caching? What kind of benefits does it have over having the drives separate?
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Which one to copy?
theres a folder in my programx86, and one in Document
Oh, and can I use this copy paste trick to keep other games/programs? Or will it only work with SC2?
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On June 11 2011 13:00 Leeto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 12:26 skyR wrote:On June 11 2011 12:24 HuggyBear wrote:
What's the difference between the Z68 and P67 boards?
Is SSD Caching worth it on a 60 Gb SSD? or is it better to just stick with the P67 and manually manage the drives? Z68 allows you to use the IGP which in turn allows you to use Quick Sync and also SSD caching which you already mentioned. SSD Caching is not worth it for a 60GB SSD. There are certain pricepoints where you would pick a Z68 over a P67 regardless if you need what the Z68 provides or not. At what sizes would it be worth it to use SSD caching? What kind of benefits does it have over having the drives separate?
SSD caching is only beneficial for those with small SSDs. 60GB isn't small but it isn't big either, it's good enough to store Windows and a few games so it isn't worth paying a premium on a Z68 board.
On June 11 2011 13:02 XenOmega wrote:
Which one to copy?
theres a folder in my programx86, and one in Document
Oh, and can I use this copy paste trick to keep other games/programs? Or will it only work with SC2?
The folder in Program Files is the game itself. The folder in Documents is your replays, campaign saves, hotkeys, etc.
Starcraft II can be copy pasted and some other software can as well. Some are not and will require a fresh install.
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On June 11 2011 13:00 Leeto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 12:26 skyR wrote:On June 11 2011 12:24 HuggyBear wrote:
What's the difference between the Z68 and P67 boards?
Is SSD Caching worth it on a 60 Gb SSD? or is it better to just stick with the P67 and manually manage the drives? Z68 allows you to use the IGP which in turn allows you to use Quick Sync and also SSD caching which you already mentioned. SSD Caching is not worth it for a 60GB SSD. There are certain pricepoints where you would pick a Z68 over a P67 regardless if you need what the Z68 provides or not. At what sizes would it be worth it to use SSD caching? What kind of benefits does it have over having the drives separate?
Smaller i would think the SSD caching is using a mech and a SS drive 2 drives and making them act sort of as 1 cacheing commonly used files for the mech hdd. If you just have a 60gb ssd you could just install what you need on the ssd instead. 60gb though is at the odd mark really depends on how much a certain person installs because 60 is at a point ppl can pass with alot of steam games etc. I mean i don't have alot installed and i use 105gb on my main drive with window and everything. And this isn't for storage that's just programs and crap
It benefits the most from saying buying a high performance 2TB HDD then a 30gig ssd and pairing that up.
60gb ssd just seems expensive for that feature.
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The (sequential) write performance of 32GB or 40GB drives is so low that they're maybe not worth using for SSD caching, since the SSD buffers all writes to the hard disk behind it. Not to mention, you may wear out the writes on such a device quickly if all of your data is going through the SSD.
edit: and by quickly, I mean that you may actually use up the writes within the reasonable life cycle of the device (a few/several years), unlike for most SSD usage.
It seems like the only device that really makes sense for that, so far, is the 20GB SLC drive by Intel.
SSD caching makes more sense (actually should be very good) for more casual users who (1) won't need to be confused managing what data gets put on which drive and (2) use the same few programs and access a relatively small amount of data frequently, meaning that data won't need to be evicted from cache often.
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Ok, so CPU is running at 50 degree (anti virus scanning, and moderate activity) with I5-2500k in an Azza Solano case.
I'm guessing it is not a good idea to OC with the temperature already so high. Am I correct? Is it normal that the temperature is so high on stock cooler and stock speed?
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Hi,
A few weeks ago I made a post that I was considering buying a new PC in a couple months.
That time is now here, and I'm putting together lists of viable computers to work into our budget.
My budget is approximately $1500-2000 AUD (Australian), I'm looking at both systems in the lower end of that spectrum and the higher end.
My current computer system is
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz
GTX460 768mb version
2gb RAM
i'll leave out the other stuff as its not too important
Monitor, keyboard, and mouse are unnecessary as I have all of them already.
Not really looking for exhaustive pricing rundowns, as prices on US retailers won't be super relevant to me, but the AUD and USD are roughly 1:1 at the moment so prices should be sort of equivalent.
thanks for your time if you have time
for reference, this is a preliminary system I put together on the website of a local computer retailer
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Hi
Im going to buy myself a new rig and i really gonna need some help.
atm i only got my shitty laptop that cant even run SC2  so i will need everything besides a monitor, keyboard and mouse( got a Samsung 24" TFT widescreen SyncMaster P2450H. got it free  )
My skills in building computers are equal to none, but i got a frind who will help me put it all together.
i tried to answer all the questions but im am such a hardware noob.
Budget: 900€/1300$
Resolution: 1920 x 1080 ( thats the spec on the monitor but pls correct me if im mixing things up here )
Use: Gaming ( not only sc2 )
Upgrade cycle: 2+ years
When to start: 1-2 month
overclocking: I really dont know about this. But i think not. it seems kinda complicated
Need OC? Yes
2 GPU? again im such a hardware noob advise pls.
Im buying from Denmark europe.
hope you can help me!
Cheers.
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@Ulkenstein
Build for overclocking:
CPU - i5 2500k
GPU - HD6870 or GTX560 Ti depending on price.
Motherboard - cheap P67 motherboard like AsRock P67 Pro 3.
Memory - 2x2GB memory kit. Buy the cheapest memory you can find.
Hard drive - 1TB Samsung F3 Spinpoint or Caviar Blue
PSU - 500W Earthwatts
Case - pick any that fits a standard ATX motherboard and your GPU.
CPU Cooler - Coolermaster Hyper 212+
DVD drive - cheapest 5.25" SATA DVD drive
Build for no overclocking:
CPU - i5 2300/2400 (depends on price)
GPU - HD6870 or GTX560 Ti depending on price.
Motherboard - cheap H61 or H67 motherboard with any features you want (SATA ports, USB3, etc)
Memory - 2x2GB memory kit. Buy the cheapest memory you can find.
Hard drive - 1TB Samsung F3 Spinpoint or Caviar Blue
PSU - 430W Earthwatts
Case - pick any that fits a standard ATX motherboard and your GPU.
DVD drive - cheapest 5.25" SATA DVD drive
That's what you build will end up looking like. Telling us that you're buying from Denmark isn't very useful because I don't know which store you are buying from thus I don't know their prices.
@Dhalphir
The image is hard to read, its really small
Depending on what you currently have, you can probably salvage the DVD drive, PSU, case, GPU, and hard disks. Yes its important to tell us what you have, what you do and what you don't do because there's no point getting a HD6950 if you're running resolutions less than 1920x1080 for instance.
Also it would be nice to know your priorities are (quiet computing, don't like LED lights, want to overclock heavy, etc).
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On June 11 2011 16:44 XenOmega wrote:
Ok, so CPU is running at 50 degree (anti virus scanning, and moderate activity) with I5-2500k in an Azza Solano case.
I'm guessing it is not a good idea to OC with the temperature already so high. Am I correct? Is it normal that the temperature is so high on stock cooler and stock speed?
If you wish to overclock the CPU, swap out the stock cooler with a Xigmatek Gaia.
Xigmatek Gaia @$30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082&Tpk=Xigmatek Gaia
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get an asus or gigabyte mobo instead of asrock
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This memory kit is cheaper and probably more appealing since my experience with Corsair's customer support has been 100% positive.
You're welcome to use the Asus motherboard instead of the Asrock one. I personally wouldn't bother with Gigabyte out of the principle they're not using uEFI, until they bother doing so I wouldn't pick them unless they were significantly cheaper.
The Corsair CX430W will work but I don't particularly like it. I'd personally prefer a Antec Basiq 500W (unfortunately you store is rather limited in PSU options...) simply because it has 2x 6 pin PCIe connectors so you can power your GPU without any annoying adapters. Not sure if the HD6870 comes with any adapters.
The old Silverstone TJ05 is a nice case but quite outdated and huge for a mATX motherboard. You can get a Fractal Design Define R3 or Lian Li PC-A05N, both which are very attractive cases and not particularly large.
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Hey everyone,
received my order from NCIX very quickly
I just finished installing everything... however, temperature is high 40 on idle, or average load.
When using Stress test, temperature will go over 70 to 85. I believe it is still safe, but still very high (compared to my AMD 1055 that is around 50 on full load). I haven't overclocked my I5-2500k yet, because of how high the temperature are already at. So its kind of disappointing so far.
My original build :
AMD 1055 with Gigabyte 890gpa
600 seasonic
320 gb HD
4gb ram
5770 ATI
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I5-2500k
MSI P67A-G43
All the rest are the same
My second issue, and this could be a big issue : I am not able to stress test because one core will fail.
[Jun 11 04:32] Worker starting
[Jun 11 04:36] Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using FFT length 1024K.
[Jun 11 04:37] FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
[Jun 11 04:37] Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
[Jun 11 04:37] Torture Test completed 0 tests in 0 minutes - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
Core 0, 2 and 3 are all able to pass the torture test (although the temperatures are at 80-85). (So far, 8 tests were done with core 0, 2 and 3 and no error)
Core #1 will always show this 'hardware' failure. Sometimes, it gets 1 or 2 test done, but it will fail after. So far, I've restarted the torture test 4 times, and everytime the Core #1 failed.
What could this mean? Faulty CPU? Misplaced CPU fan (using the stock fan) that cause overheat, and thus test failure? (this seems unlikely to me, even though the temperature are really high... why would 1 core, and always the same, fail while the other are able to survive the torture test? Well, I'm sure the fan is not correctly placed, but why does only 1 core fail?)
ty for your help
Robert
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I'm willing to bet your high temperatures are due to a improperly mounted heatsink. Intel heatsinks are not like AMD heatsinks where you mount, bolt and call it a day: you really need to make sure all pins are properly pressed and "clicked" in. This probably means you need new thermal paste and alcohol to apply new paste and remove the old paste respectively.
On a side note, Intel needs a new heatsink design. Its bad, you can only use the heatsink once because the pins split after a while to the heat and AMD has shown you can have a cheap design that is even easier for OEMs to install and even more effective.
I believe the failure is due to faulty memory, rounding errors generally means there isn't anything wrong with your CPU. In BIOS, manually set your memory settings to their rated voltage (DDR3 should all be 1.5V, as that's JEDEC standards) and 1333mhz. If that doesn't work, try running the test with one stick at a time.
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@XenOmega.
Dunno why the core 1 failed but in anycase if u want to OC take a good fan or watercooling coz in long term period ur cpu will suffering if u don't.
Just googlesearch "overclocking Core i5 2500K" and check what are best in terms of coolings, values etc...
All elements will be quicker, mobo cpu ram so overclocking request good adjustements.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/07/how-to-overclock-the-intel-core-i5-2500k/1
"...All the guides detailed are for use with competent air-cooled heatsinks, you don't need watercooling.A Thermaltake Frio is more than enough for a 4.5GHz overclock..."
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