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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
Thanks again skyR, Myrmidon, JingleHell, and all the other extremely knowledgeable people in here for answering my (and everyone else's questions) so thoroughly! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 02 2011 09:58 Uhh Negative wrote: Does anyone have any ideas on how much of a resource hog Elder Scrolls V is going to be? I'm hoping to play that at a decent graphics level. My build I posted earlier (replaced with skyR's suggestions) should probably run it decently, right? Sorry I am asking so many questions but I guess that's what this thread is here for. Thanks again skyR, Myrmidon, JingleHell, and all the other extremely knowledgeable people in here for answering my (and everyone else's questions) so thoroughly! Elder Scrolls V, (And most games these days) are cross platform, running on Xbox 360 and PS3 means hardware that even Belial88 wouldn't suggest as viable budget gaming options. While individual mileage may vary as far as max settings, you'll be able to run it for sure. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 02 2011 10:07 Uhh Negative wrote: Yeah I know it's also for 360 but I'm not actually sure what platform it's developed for primarily. I'll have to look that up. Oblivion was a great game and I enjoyed the hell out of it on 360 way back 4-5 years ago when it came out. It's a console port. Anything cross platform has to be, these days, since they have to max the game on that minimal hardware first. The only question is how much work they put in above and beyond minimum, whether they get lazy and sloppy on high end stuff, or work too closely with one GPU manufacturer. Those can all affect end result, performance-wise. See Dragon Age 2 at release as an example. It was much better on AMD cards, to a ridiculous extent. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
Also from Anandtech today Once we shift the brunt of the workload to the graphics subsystem, CyberPower's desktop takes off like a shot, and you can expect this trend to further continue when we enter the "Surround" testing suite. StarCraft II continues to be the odd man out, but I've been griping to anyone who'll listen about how badly coded that game was since it came out. Released in 2010. It's a real-time strategy game that doesn't scale past two threads and still struggles with the now standard mainstream resolution of 1366x768, and there's no built-in anti-aliasing. What, were the designers too busy counting their money to produce a halfway modern engine? Come on, even World of Warcraft has DirectX 11 support and scales past two threads at this point. But let's not dwell on badly engineered PC games when we can test a quad-GPU monster at the punishing surround resolution of 5670x1200. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4350/cyberpower-gamer-xtreme-ftw-performance-at-any-cost And I heartily agree. Having a quad core is meaningless. Fucking hell. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 02 2011 10:40 johanngrunt wrote: Generally console ports to PC are just the same game with some higher res textures. Considering the 360 has a 800 mhz cpu (iirc) anything decently modern wouldn't break a sweat running a console port. Also from Anandtech today http://www.anandtech.com/show/4350/cyberpower-gamer-xtreme-ftw-performance-at-any-cost And I heartily agree. Having a quad core is meaningless. Fucking hell. The issue is usually GPU and drivers, I couldn't quite max eye candy in Dragon Age 2 at release with SLI 460s. They get sloppy on the eye candy and code badly for DX11, and suddenly smash the hell out of available GPU resources needlessly. Factor in if they don't work with the GPU manufacturers for driver support, and without optimization, it hurts. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
So I'm going to be building a new PC in the near future, and I want to prioritize avoiding dust buildup and keeping the cables nice and organized. Right now there pretty much isn't even the idea of organization, there's just a horrendous tangle of wires going everywhere. I think that the reason this happened was between my case and the PSU, there were too many wires and different things to plug in that it was just inevitably going to be ridiculous, but maybe I'm just horrible at organizing, I dunno. Dust-wise I'm not a massive stickler, but I want to avoid the more serious build-up. I'm willing to get down with a can of air and clean it out every once in while. I'm even okay with there being a light film over everything. But when it gets to the point where there are clods of dust kicked out of the case when I blow in it, something is wrong. Are there specific cases and PSUs that work well with keeping cords nice and neat? Are there cooling solutions and cases that avoid the dust issue? I'm willing to shell out some extra money for specific solutions, but I'd rather go with really good standards where the problem doesn't exist in the first place. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
If you find that non-modular power supplies are too hard to manage than maybe a semi-modular power supply such as an Antec Truepower New, Seasonic M12II, XFX XXX. Or maybe even a fully modular power supply such as a Seasonic X? Even with a modular power supply, you'll still need to put in some effort in routing and zip tying the cables. | ||
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Fisiks
Australia11 Posts
 I've decided on purchasing an Intel Core i5 2500K, i plan to oc given how simple it is after a little research. After narrowing down my motherboard choices (turns out $$$ is not necessarily better hehe) i need some help figuring out which is the best fit for my needs. ocing, room for 8 gigs of ram, longevity, quality, single graphics card use, sc2!! ASUS P8P67: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_1183&products_id=16846 ASRock P67 Extreme4: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_1183&products_id=16802 Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_1183&products_id=16885 these all seem very similar to me, is there much advantage on the next tier of p67 boards (about $40 more expensive)? do the boards i listed handle well when oc'd? If anyone can help me choose between these 3, many thanks!! | ||
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GrundlePinch
United States29 Posts
I was here about a month ago looking for tips on a build and now I'm back. My brother wants me to build him a machine now. He does not plan on overclocking (he has never heard of the word) and he does not need Windows 7. He will probably only play games on it, I think his main concern will be playing Diablo 3 maxed out. Heres the Build: CPU Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor @Newegg $190 MoBo ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard @Newegg $89 RAM Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory @Newegg $82 ($67 AMIR) GPU HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity @Newegg $190 ($170 AMIR) PSU OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply @Newegg $75 ($50 AMIR) Case Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case @Newegg $50 HD SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive @Newegg $65 Disc Drive $21 Total: $747 with combo discounts ($683 AMIR) RAM and Mobo are combo'ed HERE I realize that only playing games he will probably be fine with 4gb of RAM but, I dunno, that combo seemed good. Not sure if its worth it. He doesn't really want to go any higher in price than this so any cuts that can be made would be a great help. Seems like a good deal overall as long as all the mail-in rebates go through. Thanks in advance guys! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Those motherboards are for multiple graphics card use. Out of the ones you listed, the Extreme4 has the advantage of supporting SLI and not just Crossfire. Otherwise they're mostly similar. You're looking for the AsRock P67 Pro3 for $139: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16803 That's been demonstrated to overclock well. Possibly the AsRock Pro for $125 may work too, but it's missing USB3, some other features, and some power phases, so probably not worth the $14 in savings if you want to be safe. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Here are some tweaks. Graphics card is slightly better for about the same price. Core i3-2300 and Asus P8H67-M LX - $256 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660640 EVGA GTX 560 SC -KR - $195 ($185 AMIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130661 Corsair CX430 V2 - $45 ($35 AMIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 For playing games, as you said, 4GB of RAM is sufficient. | ||
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schreddertt
Germany102 Posts
They have great service, really cheap prices and ship to all the EU countries. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 03 2011 01:10 schreddertt wrote: OP: For Europe you may want to add mindfactory.de and hoh.de. They have great service, really cheap prices and ship to all the EU countries. I'd suggest PMing him that suggestion, this thread goes through a few pages a day. | ||
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GrundlePinch
United States29 Posts
On June 02 2011 23:59 Myrmidon wrote: @GrundlePinch: Here are some tweaks. Graphics card is slightly better for about the same price. Core i3-2300 and Asus P8H67-M LX - $256 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660640 EVGA GTX 560 SC -KR - $195 ($185 AMIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130661 Corsair CX430 V2 - $45 ($35 AMIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 For playing games, as you said, 4GB of RAM is sufficient. Thanks! A few questions though: The reduction in processor speed will not effect high-end gaming in any way? 430v will be enough to power that GPU? Also, yes I will get 4GB of RAM if that processor suits my needs. | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
This is my computer Using this website, I have determined that i need a new processor and graphics card to meet the recommended system requirements. Can anyone suggest compatable parts on amazon.co.uk, or some other UK based website? I don't want to go overkill uber PC, I just want to improve my starcraft 2 playing experience. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Yes, the CX430 V2 is more than enough for your configuration. A core i3 2100 uses less than 50w under load and a GTX 560 uses around 140w under load. At a worst case scenario, you're looking at around 250w under maximum load. Starcraft II only utilizes two cores and Diablo III will also most likely be the same. The reduction from a quad core to a dual core isn't that big of a deal if it's for gaming only. Some other games utilize quad cores and future expansions may make Diablo III and Starcraft II utilize quad cores as well. So the decision of a dual or quad is dependent on you wanting to save money or not. @deathly rat What is your budget? You have a three year old prebuilt Dell. Any worthwhile / not a waste of money upgrade requires a new motherboard, new processor, new memory, new power supply, and new graphics card. You would essentially be building an entirely new computer. Your current motherboard supports DDR2 memory and LGA775 processors. All newer motherboards are only capable of DDR3 and the two types of memory are not interchangeable. All the newer processors are also on new sockets such as LGA1155. If you're not willing to buy a used LGA775 for less than $100, it would not be worth it to spend $200 on a brand new LGA775 processor as the newer LGA1155 processors also cost the same and greatly outperform the older processors. You could upgrade your graphics card without upgrading the power supply but you would be limited to the ones that do not require a 6pin PCIe connector (the ones that use very little power) such as a Radeon HD6670 which would handle medium at 1080p. | ||
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GrundlePinch
United States29 Posts
On June 03 2011 01:55 skyR wrote: @GrundlePinch Yes, the CX430 V2 is more than enough for your configuration. A core i3 2100 uses less than 50w under load and a GTX 560 uses around 140w under load. At a worst case scenario, you're looking at around 250w under maximum load. Starcraft II only utilizes two cores and Diablo III will also most likely be the same. The reduction from a quad core to a dual core isn't that big of a deal if it's for gaming only. Some other games utilize quad cores and future expansions may make Diablo III and Starcraft II utilize quad cores as well. So the decision of a dual or quad is dependent on you wanting to save money or not. Thanks! I think I will do my brother a favor and make him spend the extra money on a quad-core. I have a feeling he will be thanking me a year or two down the line. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
There are some case/PSU combos with that Rosewill case. Rosewill Green Series are okay ATNG builds. You can get the 430W version or the 530W version for $5 more. The 530W version has two PCIe power cables already for your GPU. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.658034 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.658032 | ||
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