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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
xdthreat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States95 Posts
May 17 2011 03:46 GMT
#5541
Myrmidon, sorry I meant the 6850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419

Still a toss up compared to 560ti?
Hopelessly addicted to stratgey games since commodore 64
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 17 2011 03:56 GMT
#5542
GTX560 Ti is obviously better than the HD6850. Though if all you are going to play is Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, I doubt you even need to bother with anything stronger than the HD6850.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 17 2011 03:59 GMT
#5543
On May 17 2011 12:46 xdthreat wrote:
Myrmidon, sorry I meant the 6850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419

Still a toss up compared to 560ti?


IMHO HD 5850 at $150 or lower is the best deal by far. I was just hesitant because I was wondering where you were finding that HD 5850.

HD 6850 at $175 ($155) vs. GTX 560 Ti at $233 ($213) is pretty close. As a very very rough estimate, you're getting like 33% more fps for 33% more cost with the GTX 560 Ti. Usually you pay more but don't get as much an improvement. Since you already have a HD 4850, a HD 6850 just seems like too little an upgrade for my tastes. Maybe 80% more fps under the same circumstances? Maybe that's plenty for you, but I'd prefer to either stick with the HD 4850 longer and wait, or go bigger.

If you want to save money but want to turn up graphics settings from the HD 4850, and don't need the newest games on max settings, the HD 6850 is a good choice.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 04:03:19
May 17 2011 04:02 GMT
#5544
On May 17 2011 12:59 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 12:46 xdthreat wrote:
Myrmidon, sorry I meant the 6850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419

Still a toss up compared to 560ti?


IMHO HD 5850 at $150 or lower is the best deal by far. I was just hesitant because I was wondering where you were finding that HD 5850.

HD 6850 at $175 ($155) vs. GTX 560 Ti at $233 ($213) is pretty close. As a very very rough estimate, you're getting like 33% more fps for 33% more cost with the GTX 560 Ti. Usually you pay more but don't get as much an improvement. Since you already have a HD 4850, a HD 6850 just seems like too little an upgrade for my tastes. Maybe 80% more fps under the same circumstances? Maybe that's plenty for you, but I'd prefer to either stick with the HD 4850 longer and wait, or go bigger.

If you want to save money but want to turn up graphics settings from the HD 4850, and don't need the newest games on max settings, the HD 6850 is a good choice.


The XFX 6850 is on sale for $166. Amazing deal.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150505&cm_re=xfx_6850-_-14-150-505-_-Product

$20 MIR available, if you're into that kind of stuff :p
starleague forever
samiamquinn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia137 Posts
May 17 2011 08:20 GMT
#5545
Hey, I'd like to request a build.

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

My price range is about 850 - 950 Australian Dollars.

What is your resolution?

1920x1080

What are you using it for?

I plan on using it for mostly gaming, (Starcraft 2, COD 4, Unreal Tournament 3 and some newer FPS like Crysis 2) some video editing in After Effects and occasionally blender or photoshop.

What is your upgrade cycle?

It could vary from between 6 months to about a year and a half. If I was going to upgrade frequently I'd rather be upgrading the easily removable parts more often.

When do you plan on building it?

I'd probably be ordering the parts in about 3 or 4 weeks when there's a lull in schoolwork and I have time to build it.

Do you plan on overclocking?

Not really, if the performance is good enough I wouldn't really consider it.

Do you need an operating system?

No. I have windows 7 home premium.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No. I don't think that's within my budget anyway.

Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in Australia so I can't order from newegg. This thread (and one of my friends who recently built a computer) has recommended
http://pccasegear.com/
I've had a look and the prices seem decent and they ship to anywhere in Australia.


Thanks to anyone who helps me out, I'm not particularly confident when it come to computer parts.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 17 2011 08:24 GMT
#5546
For those looking at SSDs, Newegg's got a shellshocker from 1pm to 3pm tomorrow for the Vertex 2 120GB for $159 after rebate. Considering it's usually almost $2/gb (not quite), it's a pretty good deal, I think it's usually around $190-$200 for the 120GB SSD. I know I paid ~$120 for my 60GB drive 8 months ago.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 17 2011 08:43 GMT
#5547
On May 17 2011 13:02 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 12:59 Myrmidon wrote:
On May 17 2011 12:46 xdthreat wrote:
Myrmidon, sorry I meant the 6850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419

Still a toss up compared to 560ti?


IMHO HD 5850 at $150 or lower is the best deal by far. I was just hesitant because I was wondering where you were finding that HD 5850.

HD 6850 at $175 ($155) vs. GTX 560 Ti at $233 ($213) is pretty close. As a very very rough estimate, you're getting like 33% more fps for 33% more cost with the GTX 560 Ti. Usually you pay more but don't get as much an improvement. Since you already have a HD 4850, a HD 6850 just seems like too little an upgrade for my tastes. Maybe 80% more fps under the same circumstances? Maybe that's plenty for you, but I'd prefer to either stick with the HD 4850 longer and wait, or go bigger.

If you want to save money but want to turn up graphics settings from the HD 4850, and don't need the newest games on max settings, the HD 6850 is a good choice.


The XFX 6850 is on sale for $166. Amazing deal.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150505&cm_re=xfx_6850-_-14-150-505-_-Product

$20 MIR available, if you're into that kind of stuff :p


Tigerdirect has the XFX 6870 1GB for $165 after mail in rebate, I dunno if you were including the rebate in the price you showed. Today only though (deal of the day), and you need the coupon code (but it's on their main page when you go to www.tigerdirect.com).
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
May 17 2011 08:57 GMT
#5548
@samiamquinn

cpu: i5-2500 $209
mobo: Asrock H61M $79
ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X 1333mhz 2x4GB Kit $105
Gpu: MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II $269
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB $69
Optical: Samsung DVDRW Optical Drive $35
psu: Antec EarthWatts 430w $69
case: Antec Three Hundred Case $59

Total: $894

If you want to squeeze an SSD in we could drop the gfx card back but I prefer the benefit of more gpu power over faster boot times especially in newer FPS games.
samiamquinn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia137 Posts
May 17 2011 10:23 GMT
#5549
On May 17 2011 17:57 Az0r_au wrote:
@samiamquinn

cpu: i5-2500 $209
mobo: Asrock H61M $79
ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X 1333mhz 2x4GB Kit $105
Gpu: MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II $269
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB $69
Optical: Samsung DVDRW Optical Drive $35
psu: Antec EarthWatts 430w $69
case: Antec Three Hundred Case $59

Total: $894

If you want to squeeze an SSD in we could drop the gfx card back but I prefer the benefit of more gpu power over faster boot times especially in newer FPS games.


All sounds good
I was thinking of bumping the motherboard up by 30 dollars to get 4 ram slots. Also are you sure the power supply is enough? Thanks
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 11:57:01
May 17 2011 11:45 GMT
#5550
Yep psu should be fine if you're not oc, you will have to use a molex > 6pin adapter that comes with the gfx card though. A gtx 560 uses around 170w under full load, while the i5-2500 uses less than 100w.
samiamquinn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia137 Posts
May 17 2011 14:04 GMT
#5551
On May 17 2011 20:45 Az0r_au wrote:
Yep psu should be fine if you're not oc, you will have to use a molex > 6pin adapter that comes with the gfx card though. A gtx 560 uses around 170w under full load, while the i5-2500 uses less than 100w.


I think I'm going to fork out the extra 40 for this as I do wan't to upgrade in the future.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_226&products_id=15134
This will work fine with the rest of the components right? Sorry if thats a dumb question, I'm a bit clueless.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 14:34:24
May 17 2011 14:05 GMT
#5552
What is your budget?

As cheap as possible. Literally. I'd like to not hit my upper bound of $500 if possible, or $800 including the two 5850's.

What is your resolution?

1920 x 1200

What are you using it for?

The main purpose of this computer will actually be doing distributed computing on the GPU's like folding@home, with a secondary focus on being able to play games like Starcraft. To that end, please keep the following things in mind:

1) I need a motherboard that supports two graphics cards. x16 x4 is just fine, since I don't think you lose performance with distributed computing the same way you do in gaming vs x8 x8.
2) I will be buying two 5850's for this task. The budget is $500 not including the 5850's or $800 including them.

What is your upgrade cycle?

2 years.

When do you plan on building it?

I plan on buying parts today, ideally.

Do you plan on overclocking?

No.

Do you need an Operating System?

No.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Yes. There will be two 5850's on this card for distributed GPU computing. So any mobos need to not only support two graphics cards, but two dual slot graphics cards. On the plus side, x8 x8 is not a necessity; x16 x4 should be just fine.

And actually, if you can find a cheap configuration that allows for THREE 5850's, that would be even better. Keep in mind these will be near full load 100% of the time, so they can't just squish together or they'll all die from heat.

Where are you buying your parts from?

Newegg
Microcenter
TigerDirect / CompUSA

I don't mind buying parts from several places. I know Microcenter always seems to have the cheapest prices on CPUs for some reason and sometimes they have great bundles.

~~~
I've put together the system underneath, but it comes pretty damn close to my $500 (w/o graphics cards) budget, so I was hoping y'all in your infinite wisdom could tweak some things.
+ Show Spoiler +

CPU: i3-2100 - $110 after tax from Microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0359809

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3 - $100 from Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128473

RAM: 4GB (2x2GB) G Skill DDR3 1333 - $44 from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231179

Power Supply: OCZ 700W - $55 after rebate from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018&cm_re=ocz_700W-_-17-341-018-_-Product

Case: Thermaltake A60 - $52 after rebate and shipping from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133181&cm_re=thermaltake_A60-_-11-133-181-_-Product

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $45 from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073&cm_re=WD_Caviar_Blue_500GB-_-22-136-073-_-Product

Optical: LG DVD Burner - $20 from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238

~~~
Total: $426 before 5850's

GPU: 5850 x2 - $300 after rebate
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 17 2011 14:26 GMT
#5553
If you're folding@home you want nVidia. They've always been better at computation with that CUDA thing they've been pushing for ages. No idea how well Crossfire works with the HD5850 these days but back in 2010 it was pretty bad compared to SLI.

I normally don't bitch about cases but Thermaltake cases are mostly rubbish. Flimsy, uneven paint jobs, convenience "features" compromised by cheap parts...you get the point.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 17 2011 14:28 GMT
#5554
On May 17 2011 23:26 Womwomwom wrote:
If you're folding@home you want nVidia. They've always been better at computation with that CUDA thing they've been pushing for ages. No idea how well Crossfire works with the HD5850 these days but back in 2010 it was pretty bad compared to SLI.

I normally don't bitch about cases but Thermaltake cases are mostly rubbish. Flimsy, uneven paint jobs, convenience "features" compromised by cheap parts...you get the point.


Crossfire overall is catching up fast, and surpassing SLI for higher resolutions.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 17 2011 14:32 GMT
#5555
For the HD6000 series yeah the scaling is sometimes better than SLI but is it the same case for the HD5000 series?

I have no idea, I haven't seen any recent benchmarks of HD5000 series Crossfire. I'm actually somewhat interested because I might just get a HD5850 for like $180 AUD and give Crossfire a go if its actually good.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#5556
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling,2742-3.html

Scaling is largely driver support, but you knew that. As you can see, AMD has really pushed themselves on that to stay competitive. Obviously, the usual cautions I give apply, about price/performance, checking scaling, and usually not being worth it for a previous lineups mid-range card unless you already own one. Example, GTX 570 costs roughly the same to slightly more than SLI 460, for similar performance, less power, and less heat.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
May 17 2011 14:45 GMT
#5557
Haha well not to kill y'all's debate on SLI vs Crossfire, but I won't be crossfiring the 5850's anyway I don't think. I read that it was better to just run each card individually for the distributed computing.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 14:48:57
May 17 2011 14:48 GMT
#5558
On May 17 2011 23:45 ensign_lee wrote:
Haha well not to kill y'all's debate on SLI vs Crossfire, but I won't be crossfiring the 5850's anyway I don't think. I read that it was better to just run each card individually for the distributed computing.


Source? I haven't really spent a lot of time reading up on that stuff, but it'd be a good read.

Anyway, I thought multi-GPU without a bridge still got treated as SLI/Crossfire, but it slowed you down by having to run more data through the PCIE bus?

And it wasn't a debate, those take multiple sides. It was just dissemination.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 15:04:08
May 17 2011 15:02 GMT
#5559
Question though - is a 700W power supply going to be enough for two 5850's + the rest of the system? Newegg's calculator puts it at 6xxW . Should I be looking at getting a little more headroom?

Jinglehell, lemme look for that source. I might not be able to find it though; it's been awhile. :/ I think it had to do with crossfire not achieving 100% efficiency, so if Card 1 was at 100% but Card 2 was at 90% since they were crossfired, this situation would be < each card at 100% independently.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 15:06:14
May 17 2011 15:05 GMT
#5560
On May 18 2011 00:02 ensign_lee wrote:
Question though - is a 700W power supply going to be enough for two 5850's + the rest of the system? Newegg's calculator puts it at 6xxW . Should I be looking at getting a little more headroom?

Jinglehell, lemme look for that source. I might not be able to find it though; it's been awhile. :/ I think it had to do with crossfire not achieving 100% efficiency, so if Card 1 was at 100% but Card 2 was at 90% since they were crossfired, this situation would be < Card 1 at 100%, Card 2 at 100% working independently.


Newegg's PSU calculator makes shit look like gold. Use this one. As an example, my PSU is 65% of what the newegg calculator says to use. Somehow I'm still running.

700W is probably pure overkill. Myrm is the PSU guy though, I believe he suggests jonnyguru.com for PSU reviews.
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