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xdthreat
United States95 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419 Still a toss up compared to 560ti? | ||
Womwomwom
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:46 xdthreat wrote: Myrmidon, sorry I meant the 6850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419 Still a toss up compared to 560ti? IMHO HD 5850 at $150 or lower is the best deal by far. I was just hesitant because I was wondering where you were finding that HD 5850. HD 6850 at $175 ($155) vs. GTX 560 Ti at $233 ($213) is pretty close. As a very very rough estimate, you're getting like 33% more fps for 33% more cost with the GTX 560 Ti. Usually you pay more but don't get as much an improvement. Since you already have a HD 4850, a HD 6850 just seems like too little an upgrade for my tastes. Maybe 80% more fps under the same circumstances? Maybe that's plenty for you, but I'd prefer to either stick with the HD 4850 longer and wait, or go bigger. If you want to save money but want to turn up graphics settings from the HD 4850, and don't need the newest games on max settings, the HD 6850 is a good choice. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On May 17 2011 12:59 Myrmidon wrote: IMHO HD 5850 at $150 or lower is the best deal by far. I was just hesitant because I was wondering where you were finding that HD 5850. HD 6850 at $175 ($155) vs. GTX 560 Ti at $233 ($213) is pretty close. As a very very rough estimate, you're getting like 33% more fps for 33% more cost with the GTX 560 Ti. Usually you pay more but don't get as much an improvement. Since you already have a HD 4850, a HD 6850 just seems like too little an upgrade for my tastes. Maybe 80% more fps under the same circumstances? Maybe that's plenty for you, but I'd prefer to either stick with the HD 4850 longer and wait, or go bigger. If you want to save money but want to turn up graphics settings from the HD 4850, and don't need the newest games on max settings, the HD 6850 is a good choice. The XFX 6850 is on sale for $166. Amazing deal. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150505&cm_re=xfx_6850-_-14-150-505-_-Product $20 MIR available, if you're into that kind of stuff :p | ||
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samiamquinn
Australia137 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? My price range is about 850 - 950 Australian Dollars. What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What are you using it for? I plan on using it for mostly gaming, (Starcraft 2, COD 4, Unreal Tournament 3 and some newer FPS like Crysis 2) some video editing in After Effects and occasionally blender or photoshop. What is your upgrade cycle? It could vary from between 6 months to about a year and a half. If I was going to upgrade frequently I'd rather be upgrading the easily removable parts more often. When do you plan on building it? I'd probably be ordering the parts in about 3 or 4 weeks when there's a lull in schoolwork and I have time to build it. Do you plan on overclocking? Not really, if the performance is good enough I wouldn't really consider it. Do you need an operating system? No. I have windows 7 home premium. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No. I don't think that's within my budget anyway. Where are you buying your parts from? I live in Australia so I can't order from newegg. This thread (and one of my friends who recently built a computer) has recommended http://pccasegear.com/ I've had a look and the prices seem decent and they ship to anywhere in Australia. Thanks to anyone who helps me out, I'm not particularly confident when it come to computer parts. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On May 17 2011 13:02 a176 wrote: The XFX 6850 is on sale for $166. Amazing deal. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150505&cm_re=xfx_6850-_-14-150-505-_-Product $20 MIR available, if you're into that kind of stuff :p Tigerdirect has the XFX 6870 1GB for $165 after mail in rebate, I dunno if you were including the rebate in the price you showed. Today only though (deal of the day), and you need the coupon code (but it's on their main page when you go to www.tigerdirect.com). | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
cpu: i5-2500 $209 mobo: Asrock H61M $79 ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X 1333mhz 2x4GB Kit $105 Gpu: MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II $269 HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB $69 Optical: Samsung DVDRW Optical Drive $35 psu: Antec EarthWatts 430w $69 case: Antec Three Hundred Case $59 Total: $894 If you want to squeeze an SSD in we could drop the gfx card back but I prefer the benefit of more gpu power over faster boot times especially in newer FPS games. | ||
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samiamquinn
Australia137 Posts
On May 17 2011 17:57 Az0r_au wrote: @samiamquinn cpu: i5-2500 $209 mobo: Asrock H61M $79 ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X 1333mhz 2x4GB Kit $105 Gpu: MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II $269 HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB $69 Optical: Samsung DVDRW Optical Drive $35 psu: Antec EarthWatts 430w $69 case: Antec Three Hundred Case $59 Total: $894 If you want to squeeze an SSD in we could drop the gfx card back but I prefer the benefit of more gpu power over faster boot times especially in newer FPS games. All sounds good I was thinking of bumping the motherboard up by 30 dollars to get 4 ram slots. Also are you sure the power supply is enough? Thanks | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
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samiamquinn
Australia137 Posts
On May 17 2011 20:45 Az0r_au wrote: Yep psu should be fine if you're not oc, you will have to use a molex > 6pin adapter that comes with the gfx card though. A gtx 560 uses around 170w under full load, while the i5-2500 uses less than 100w. I think I'm going to fork out the extra 40 for this as I do wan't to upgrade in the future. http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_226&products_id=15134 This will work fine with the rest of the components right? Sorry if thats a dumb question, I'm a bit clueless. | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
As cheap as possible. Literally. I'd like to not hit my upper bound of $500 if possible, or $800 including the two 5850's. What is your resolution? 1920 x 1200 What are you using it for? The main purpose of this computer will actually be doing distributed computing on the GPU's like folding@home, with a secondary focus on being able to play games like Starcraft. To that end, please keep the following things in mind: 1) I need a motherboard that supports two graphics cards. x16 x4 is just fine, since I don't think you lose performance with distributed computing the same way you do in gaming vs x8 x8. 2) I will be buying two 5850's for this task. The budget is $500 not including the 5850's or $800 including them. What is your upgrade cycle? 2 years. When do you plan on building it? I plan on buying parts today, ideally. Do you plan on overclocking? No. Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Yes. There will be two 5850's on this card for distributed GPU computing. So any mobos need to not only support two graphics cards, but two dual slot graphics cards. On the plus side, x8 x8 is not a necessity; x16 x4 should be just fine. And actually, if you can find a cheap configuration that allows for THREE 5850's, that would be even better. Keep in mind these will be near full load 100% of the time, so they can't just squish together or they'll all die from heat. Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg Microcenter TigerDirect / CompUSA I don't mind buying parts from several places. I know Microcenter always seems to have the cheapest prices on CPUs for some reason and sometimes they have great bundles. ~~~ I've put together the system underneath, but it comes pretty damn close to my $500 (w/o graphics cards) budget, so I was hoping y'all in your infinite wisdom could tweak some things.  + Show Spoiler + CPU: i3-2100 - $110 after tax from Microcenter http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0359809 Mobo: Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3 - $100 from Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128473 RAM: 4GB (2x2GB) G Skill DDR3 1333 - $44 from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231179 Power Supply: OCZ 700W - $55 after rebate from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018&cm_re=ocz_700W-_-17-341-018-_-Product Case: Thermaltake A60 - $52 after rebate and shipping from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133181&cm_re=thermaltake_A60-_-11-133-181-_-Product HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $45 from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073&cm_re=WD_Caviar_Blue_500GB-_-22-136-073-_-Product Optical: LG DVD Burner - $20 from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238 ~~~ Total: $426 before 5850's GPU: 5850 x2 - $300 after rebate | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
I normally don't bitch about cases but Thermaltake cases are mostly rubbish. Flimsy, uneven paint jobs, convenience "features" compromised by cheap parts...you get the point. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 17 2011 23:26 Womwomwom wrote: If you're folding@home you want nVidia. They've always been better at computation with that CUDA thing they've been pushing for ages. No idea how well Crossfire works with the HD5850 these days but back in 2010 it was pretty bad compared to SLI. I normally don't bitch about cases but Thermaltake cases are mostly rubbish. Flimsy, uneven paint jobs, convenience "features" compromised by cheap parts...you get the point. Crossfire overall is catching up fast, and surpassing SLI for higher resolutions. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
I have no idea, I haven't seen any recent benchmarks of HD5000 series Crossfire. I'm actually somewhat interested because I might just get a HD5850 for like $180 AUD and give Crossfire a go if its actually good. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Scaling is largely driver support, but you knew that. As you can see, AMD has really pushed themselves on that to stay competitive. Obviously, the usual cautions I give apply, about price/performance, checking scaling, and usually not being worth it for a previous lineups mid-range card unless you already own one. Example, GTX 570 costs roughly the same to slightly more than SLI 460, for similar performance, less power, and less heat. | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 17 2011 23:45 ensign_lee wrote: Haha well not to kill y'all's debate on SLI vs Crossfire, but I won't be crossfiring the 5850's anyway I don't think. I read that it was better to just run each card individually for the distributed computing. Source? I haven't really spent a lot of time reading up on that stuff, but it'd be a good read. Anyway, I thought multi-GPU without a bridge still got treated as SLI/Crossfire, but it slowed you down by having to run more data through the PCIE bus? And it wasn't a debate, those take multiple sides. It was just dissemination. | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
Jinglehell, lemme look for that source. I might not be able to find it though; it's been awhile. :/ I think it had to do with crossfire not achieving 100% efficiency, so if Card 1 was at 100% but Card 2 was at 90% since they were crossfired, this situation would be < each card at 100% independently. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 18 2011 00:02 ensign_lee wrote: Question though - is a 700W power supply going to be enough for two 5850's + the rest of the system? Newegg's calculator puts it at 6xxW . Should I be looking at getting a little more headroom? Jinglehell, lemme look for that source. I might not be able to find it though; it's been awhile. :/ I think it had to do with crossfire not achieving 100% efficiency, so if Card 1 was at 100% but Card 2 was at 90% since they were crossfired, this situation would be < Card 1 at 100%, Card 2 at 100% working independently. Newegg's PSU calculator makes shit look like gold. Use this one. As an example, my PSU is 65% of what the newegg calculator says to use. Somehow I'm still running. 700W is probably pure overkill. Myrm is the PSU guy though, I believe he suggests jonnyguru.com for PSU reviews. | ||
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