EPTCan I start installing my software and stuff then add my graphics card later?
I don't really want to make another trip to the store, so I rather go when my computer is installing the OS.
Is that ok?
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
Can I start installing my software and stuff then add my graphics card later? I don't really want to make another trip to the store, so I rather go when my computer is installing the OS. Is that ok? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:09 SoKHo wrote: I have a question: Can I start installing my software and stuff then add my graphics card later? I don't really want to make another trip to the store, so I rather go when my computer is installing the OS. Is that ok? Yep. Totally fine to install GPU later. | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:09 SoKHo wrote: I have a question: Can I start installing my software and stuff then add my graphics card later? I don't really want to make another trip to the store, so I rather go when my computer is installing the OS. Is that ok? Yeah, that should be no problem. Just make sure that your motherboard has some integrated graphics on it or otherwise, you won't be able to see anything on your monitor. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On May 17 2011 23:04 samiamquinn wrote: I think I'm going to fork out the extra 40 for this as I do wan't to upgrade in the future. http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_226&products_id=15134 This will work fine with the rest of the components right? Sorry if thats a dumb question, I'm a bit clueless. I'd just get the Antec Neo Eco 450C ($59) or Neo Eco 520C ($69). Antec High Current Gamer 400/520/620 are the same as the Neo Eco except tweaked for a couple percentage points better efficiency and with slightly better internal components, not worth the price difference. Both lines are manufactured by Seasonic on the S12II platform and perform pretty much the same. If you're not overclocking, an i5-2500 uses less than 65W actually. With a CPU like that, you can use any single GPU on a decent 450W unit, so no need to go to 620W unless you're upgrading one day to multiple graphics cards. On May 18 2011 00:47 ensign_lee wrote: Oh nice. Okay cool. I was worried that I was using like 90+% of the power supply I'd chosen, but oh well. damn, guess I could have gotten that corsair 600W one from before. But now it's more expensive.  So, any suggestions as far as my build y'all? Or do you think I've optimized it enough. :D I see microcenter has the i5-2400 for $150 after tax. I'm kind of thinking for $40, that's a worthwhile upgrade? Or not so much? I know that SC2 uses only 2 cores now... It won't do too much for SC2 (note that a little Turbo Boost and the extra L3 cache do make a difference, but it won't be huge), but the i5-2400 is probably worth it for just $40. I would say that 650W is overkill for two HD 5850 with a CPU like a i3-2100 or i5-2400, but if you're going to be loading up the computer with something like folding@home all day, it's probably worth getting a nice PSU. You can go as low as 500W without being unreasonable, but it's probably not worth it. If you're doing the mail-in rebate thing, I'd take the XFX XXX Edition 650W (80 plus bronze, modular, Seasonic design, 4 PCIe power cables natively, 5 yr warranty) for $89 before $20 rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207007 If you're buying today, a cheaper alternative would be an old Earthwatts 650W for $60 after promo code: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015 On May 18 2011 03:53 FragKrag wrote: The 128GB SSD has more NAND and more channels so it will be faster than the 64GB version. Generally, with most controllers, as you increase the amount of NAND and the amount of channels they have, they will be faster. This isn't always true, but it has been true for the C300, and Intel SSDs. Yep, but it's not always just more channels. You get a lot worse performance if not all the channels are populated, but generally that's only an issue with the lowest-capacity drives, e.g. Intel 320 40GB using only 5 of 10 channels while 80GB uses 10 of 10 channels. At some capacities, when OCZ did the 34 nm -> 25 nm flash switch on the first-gen SandForce drives, performance suffered because fewer channels were used IIRC. But I suspect that the 64GB Crucial C300 uses all 8 channels, though that's just a guess based on the read/write speeds. Note that advertised max read speeds for the 64GB are the same as for the 256GB model. edit: so pretty much an SSD is a controller plus a bunch of NAND flash chips. The controller accesses the flash chips in parallel kind of like how a RAID array works, so having at least a flash chip on each channel is clearly better. It also helps to have multiple NAND devices per channel. And it makes a difference on pretty much every controller architecture with decent firmware. Even the SandForce drives that do real-time data compression benefit, such that the 240GB Vertex 3 is over 35% faster than the 120GB Vertex 3 in the Anandtech bench. For a quick and easy description of why multiple NAND devices per channel helps, it's in the Vertex 3 review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4316/ocz-vertex-3-240gb-review | ||
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kkjustdie
Sweden23 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 18 2011 05:18 kkjustdie wrote: Hey guys i have a noobish question, When do i want a higher number off gigabytes on a graphicscard? I've been thinking a bit and my guess is that the bigger resolution/screen and the amount of screens your using, is whats affecting what you need. Is this a correct guess or am i not even close? Ty. You need more video RAM for higher resolutions, yes, but to fill that RAM in a real-time application like gaming, especially with maxed settings/effects and so on, you tend to need more GPU as well. Generally speaking, the reference, or stock card from nvidia/AMD will have the appropriate amount of RAM for the cards processing power. In the case of some OC'ed cards, a bit more video RAM will improve framerates, more noticeably at high resolutions. Edit: And to clarify "high resolution" I mean above 1920x1080 | ||
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kkjustdie
Sweden23 Posts
On May 18 2011 05:26 JingleHell wrote: You need more video RAM for higher resolutions, yes, but to fill that RAM in a real-time application like gaming, especially with maxed settings/effects and so on, you tend to need more GPU as well. Generally speaking, the reference, or stock card from nvidia/AMD will have the appropriate amount of RAM for the cards processing power. In the case of some OC'ed cards, a bit more video RAM will improve framerates, more noticeably at high resolutions. Edit: And to clarify "high resolution" I mean above 1920x1080 Okey ty, but when do i need the higher amount of gigabytes (like 1.5 G and higher, like 4 on the Saphire 6990) on the cards then or is the RAM your talking about, the Gigabytes that the card has, as you can se, i'm somewhat of a total noob  | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:39 kkjustdie wrote: Okey ty, but when do i need the higher amount of gigabytes (like 1.5 G and higher, like 4 on the Saphire 6990) on the cards then or is the RAM your talking about, the Gigabytes that the card has, as you can se, i'm somewhat of a total noob Those numbers are gigabytes of video RAM. 1.5 and higher is generally for resolutions above 1920x1080, and in excess of 2 is (almost) always pointless, unless you're doing a huge surround/eyefinity type setup with obscene numbers of displays. The 6990 you're talking about is basically a single card with 2 2GB 6970's or 6980's built into one card, I believe. It's essentially a single card Crossfire/SLI setup. | ||
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kkjustdie
Sweden23 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:49 kkjustdie wrote: Ah, so then you can say that you have 2 sets off RAM in your CPU then. Can i ask you how much you would benefith from having 2 cheaper cards doing SLI rather then buying 1 for a few extra dollars lets say 50-100$ ? Is there anytime when you would prefere the one off the options over another, except if you dont have any spots to place a second card in your motherboard? Video RAM is entirely separate from system RAM, unless you're using integrated graphics. You would suffer from 2 cheaper cards in a multi-GPU configuration in most cases, and in the few where you don't, it's still the worse option when building a system, there are limited cases where it's a better option as an upgrade. SLI requires an SLI ready motherboard, Crossfire just requires multiple PCIE slots on the motherboard. And I'm probably the person most open to suggesting multi-GPU configurations that frequents this board. | ||
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kkjustdie
Sweden23 Posts
Thx alot for the info man | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 18 2011 07:08 kkjustdie wrote: Oh okey, so Crossfire or Sli should only be on the "high end" builds and on the cheaper builds you should go for 1 medium expensive card instead. Thx alot for the info man For a simple version, yes, no, and otherwise to the first, and a conditional yes to the second. Generalizations in building PC's will almost invariably lead to wasteful spending on some component or other. I've broken it down much more in other posts earlier in this thread, so I'd suggest searching for that if you want more information in a convenient "for Dummies" format. The advanced search will let you search by forum and by username, with content only, and if you search for the string multi-GPU, with username JingleHell in Tech Support, that should get it down to a limited enough number of posts from this thread to be manageable to find it. | ||
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iinsom
Australia339 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 18 2011 08:24 iinsom wrote: Im pretty happy with my GTX460s in SLi. Pretty much smashes everything i need it too, at 120fps, but i needed to wait for the SLi driver profile to be released for the performance upgrade. Yeah, I (usually) love my SLI 460's as well, but I still wouldn't tell someone building a system tomorrow to do that over a single 570. That's why I referred him to my other posts, where I went in-depth about the reasoning, timing, and suffering involved in multi-GPU. | ||
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FearTheReaperMan
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i52400 Hd 6850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033 | ||
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JingleHell
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Myrmidon
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asdd
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marvin.
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Which cables are you talking about? Extra SATA cables are common if your motherboard came with...more SATA cables than you have SATA devices. Extra cables left on the power supply are to be expected unless you're really running the exact number of hard drives, fans, graphics cards, etc. that correspond to what they give you. On most motherboards, you should have enough headers to take all of the case front panel connections, but possibly not. @marvin.: Check the length of the graphics card and where it takes the 6-pin PCIe power connector (back or side). The Sonatas aren't long enough to take the longer graphics cards, but it's probably okay for a typical HD 4850. If you're overclocking the i5-2500k and getting an aftermarket cooler, check the height against the width of the case. A case probably won't take the huge coolers with 14cm fans, but your typical Hyper 212+-style tower coolers with 12cm fans are about 16cm tall in total. It won't fit in some cases. Those clearance issues are really the only potential issues. | ||
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