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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 06 2011 12:13 GMT
#5081
For anyone looking to upgrade to Win7, Home Premium x64 OEM is $90 with promo code EMCKEKD52 on newegg right now.

Some solid ones today.

Intel 320 series 120GB SSD at under $2/GB. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167050&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL050611&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL050611-_-EMC-050611-Index-_-SSD-_-20167050-L02D
phatymatyT
Profile Joined May 2010
United States12 Posts
May 06 2011 18:51 GMT
#5082
Working on my first build here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Budget: about $750, but can go higher for important stuff.
Resolution: 1920x1080
Use: Gaming - specifically sc2. no streaming or anything fancy while playing.
Upgrade cycle: two years?
Build date: this week!
Overclocking: no
OS needed: yes -- windows 7
Second GPU: no -- maybe? Can it fit my budget?
where to buy: USA

Here is something I put together based on some previous posts and looking at newegg. I am totally new to this and don't know much at all.

CPU + MB: $274
i5 2500. Asus H67M
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638732

GPU: ?

RAM: $40
4gb.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

PSU: $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035

HD: $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

DVD drive: 21
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

case: $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Windows 7: $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Total so far is $615. I figure I should spend about another $150 on a graphics card, but I'm okay going over the budget some.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 06 2011 19:01 GMT
#5083
@phatymatyT

You can either wait for the Sapphire Xtreme Radeon HD5850 for $140 to come back in stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932 or get a ASUS DirectCU Radeon 6850 for $160: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419

Performance difference between the two can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=291 If you are wondering why the 5850 outperforms the 6850. Well that's because AMD decided to change their naming scheme so the actual replacement to one of the fastest performing cards of last generation (5850) is the 6950.

If you're looking to save some money, you could get a core i5 2400 bundle instead for $257: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.638744 The performance difference between the 2400 and 2500 can be seen here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0
phatymatyT
Profile Joined May 2010
United States12 Posts
May 06 2011 19:18 GMT
#5084
@skyR

Thanks for such a quick response! I'll consider getting the 2400 instead.


Did the Sapphire Xtreme Radeon HD5850 for $140 just come back in stock? It says it's in stock now! I should definitely go for that right?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 06 2011 19:19 GMT
#5085
lol I guess it came back in stock shortly after I posted, you should definitely go for it than.
phatymatyT
Profile Joined May 2010
United States12 Posts
May 06 2011 19:24 GMT
#5086
Damn out of stock again LOL.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 06 2011 19:42 GMT
#5087
buying a new pc this week. obviously for sc and a few other things such as streaming

Case: Antec 300 Gaming Case
- Power Supply: OCZ 600w StealthXStream II
- CPU: Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz overclocked to 3.80GHz
- Motherboard: Intel P55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
- Cooler: Corsair H50 CPU Cooler
- RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
- Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 6GB/s
- Graphics Card: ATI Radeon 5750
- Sound: High Definition 7.1 Onboard Sound Card
- Optical Drive: 22x DVD+RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter

total price ~£530/$850

is this decent value? and should i change anything?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 06 2011 19:47 GMT
#5088
@turdburgler

Bad value. You want a 2500k as these are Intel's Second Generation Core processors (recently released) and they are at the same price points as the older processors such as the core i5 760 you currently have selected. The performance difference can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20 The core i5 2500k can also be easily overclocked to 4.5GHz aand higher.

1600MHz memory is not a good value. There is a very minor difference between that and standard 1333MHz memory as seen here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

A 600w power supply is also not necessary. Your configuration can be ran on a 400w power supply.

I'm assuming this is a prebuilt and that's why it's so terrible. You should probably start taking a look at other prebuilts or look into building it yourself.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 06 2011 19:48 GMT
#5089
On May 07 2011 04:47 skyR wrote:
@turdburgler

Bad value. You want a 2500k as these are Intel's Second Generation Core processors (recently released) and they are at the same price points as the older processors such as the core i5 760 you currently have selected. The performance difference can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20 The core i5 2500k can also be easily overclocked to 4.5GHz aand higher.

1600MHz memory is not a good value. There is a very minor difference between that and standard 1333MHz memory as seen here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

A 600w power supply is also not necessary. Your configuration can be ran on a 400w power supply.

I'm assuming this is a prebuilt and that's why it's so terrible. You should probably start taking a look at other prebuilts or look into building it yourself.



thanks for the advice
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 20:16:28
May 06 2011 20:14 GMT
#5090
Just for comparison, 2600k + GTX580 takes abaut 350W under load, 400W if overclock.

Also dont get ocz psu:s, get something like seasonic, corsair, xfx, antec..
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 06 2011 20:26 GMT
#5091
On May 07 2011 05:14 FinBenton wrote:
Just for comparison, 2600k + GTX580 takes abaut 350W under load, 400W if overclock.

Also dont get ocz psu:s, get something like seasonic, corsair, xfx, antec..



thanks for the advice!

back again. looked at home building as im feeling adventurous

cpu - Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz Socket 1155
ram - G-Skill 4GB DDR3 1333MHz
mobo - Asus P8P67 Pro R3 P67 Socket 1155
hdd - WD 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6Gb/s Caviar Black
gxf - same radeon 5750, as it's what i already have in the house

this comes to about £290, excluding the gfx for reason above. is this more suitable and is this case+psu sufficient?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167439
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 06 2011 20:38 GMT
#5092
You generally don't want to buy a case bundled with a power supply as the power supply is usually terrible. Here's a review of the power supply in question: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/02/16/entry_level_power_supply_roundup/2

ASUS P8P67 Pro is not necessary. You only want to get this board if you want to do CrossfireX / SLI in the future. A better pick would be either a Gigabyte P67 UD3 or Asrock P67 Pro3.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 06 2011 21:11 GMT
#5093
On May 07 2011 05:38 skyR wrote:
You generally don't want to buy a case bundled with a power supply as the power supply is usually terrible. Here's a review of the power supply in question: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/02/16/entry_level_power_supply_roundup/2

ASUS P8P67 Pro is not necessary. You only want to get this board if you want to do CrossfireX / SLI in the future. A better pick would be either a Gigabyte P67 UD3 or Asrock P67 Pro3.



ty again
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 06 2011 21:40 GMT
#5094
As generic recommendations, I would get this power supply and case. There are cheaper options and more expensive ones, but these should be good values.

XFX Core Edition 450W (way overkill for your HD 5750, but would allow you to upgrade to pretty much any single GPU down the line) - £39.21
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/264381

Antec One Hundred (pretty much a new version Antec Three Hundred) - £41.34
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/246639
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 22:07:34
May 06 2011 22:05 GMT
#5095
hey skyR and Myrmidon,

On Newegg what is the best graphics card in the $250 range.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

^That is what I have right now but was wondering if there is something better.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565

^Same price, but I am not sure which is better. The latter seems to have more reviews and better rating. The GPU will be used for the set up I posted up earlier as an image. Thanks!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130610

^This one also looks beastly
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 06 2011 22:18 GMT
#5096
Either of the two are good.

The MSI has more reviews because the Twin Frozr II it is generally accepted among users as the best heatsink for most graphic cards. But the Gigabyte Windforce heatsink offers similar cooling performance and noise levels. The Gigabyte is also clocked 20MHz higher but this doesn't really matter since you can overclock either card yourself. Both are priced the same so it comes down to brand preference.

EVGA offers lifetime warranty upon registration so if you want lifetime warranty than go with EVGA but the heatsink is worse than Gigabyte's and MSI's.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 06 2011 22:22 GMT
#5097
thanks skyR,

exactly what I was looking for since the only real difference is brand and heatsink/cooling. thanks!

btw skyR, you know so much about computers so I am guessing you have an insane rig. could you show us?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 06 2011 22:25 GMT
#5098
On May 07 2011 07:22 Golgotha wrote:
thanks skyR,

exactly what I was looking for since the only real difference is brand and heatsink/cooling. thanks!

btw skyR, you know so much about computers so I am guessing you have an insane rig. could you show us?


That's not necesarily a logical leap, but I'd be curious too.

I have a fairly insane rig, but know a solid chunk less than skyR, mostly only the basics and how to google.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
May 06 2011 22:29 GMT
#5099
I'm looking to upgrade my 2GB of laptop RAM, and I'm wondering what I should be looking for. I have a i5-2520M and a QM67 chipset, if that matters. The only two types of RAM compatible with my machine are: DDR3 PC3-10600 and PC3-8500, though I'm not exactly sure which one to get. Apparently the 10600 has a higher frequency, but I can only find a Cas Latency of 9 on most of them. On the other hand, the 8500s have a lower frequency, but they all have a Cas Latency of 7. Does the difference even matter? If not, which one to get and by which manufacturer? I'm also planning on keeping this laptop for the next 4 or more years, so good reliability would be a plus as well.

Thanks in advance!
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 22:39:54
May 06 2011 22:37 GMT
#5100
@Mystlord

The performance difference in higher frequency memory is very small, seen here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 The same can be said for tighter memory timings.

RAM is generally all the same since the chips all come from the same few manufacturers (Samsung, Hynix, Micron, etc). It comes down to pricing and brand preference.

If you are adding more memory, you should generally be buying memory that is the same frequency / timings / voltage as your current set of memory.

@Golgotha

lol people that are well versed in computers don't necessarily have a flagship rig. My rig only consists of a core i5 2500k and a gtx 460.
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