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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2011 09:04 GMT
#5041
On May 05 2011 17:55 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 17:50 skyR wrote:
On May 05 2011 17:44 GTR wrote:
With my i5 2500K, I've overclocked it to 4.2GHz and after some stress testing in Prime95, it goes up to 75-80 degrees. The problem is, I have an aftermarket cooler installed (CM Hyper 212+), so this is somewhat surprising (frankly I expected temperatures like this at 4.5GHz+).

Did I install my heatsink/fan wrong or what? I'm okay with putting the clock speed back down to 4GHz if the above is quite bad.


How did you apply the thermal paste? The Coolermaster Hyper 212+ is a direct touch heatsink so you should be applying thermal paste in 2 thin lines instead of the small rice grain in the middle: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=170&Itemid=38&limit=1&limitstart=5

Also ensure that the auto vcore is at a reasonable value. A 4.2GHz overclock should not be anywhere above 1.25v.


Let's just say I got overzealous with the paste It covered the entire bottom, if that helps.

I'll check the VCore settings when I get the chance. I left it at auto because I know completely nothing about voltages (and don't want to touch it with a ten foot poll).


Reapply the paste in two thin lines as seen in the article. Having too much thermal paste can increase temperatures because the paste will act as an insulator.

Don't be scared of touching the vcore, anything below 1.4v is perfectly safe for 24/7 operation. If the proecssor isn't receiving enough voltage, it'll just bluescreen and the vcore will be back to what it was previously set to.
.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
May 05 2011 09:06 GMT
#5042
hmm the 12v runs at 19, not good compared to the antec, but still should be more than enough to run my system. besides only 25 for it
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 05 2011 09:14 GMT
#5043
On May 05 2011 18:06 HCmystic wrote:
hmm the 12v runs at 19, not good compared to the antec, but still should be more than enough to run my system. besides only 25 for it


The Rosewill unit has multiple 12v rails so you are misinterpreting the label. It has a total of 50a on the 12v rails. Are you buying bnib or used? Not the best idea to buy a used power supply, especially one that only comes with a one year warranty and was released three+ years ago.
.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 09:27:12
May 05 2011 09:14 GMT
#5044
bnib

oops i forgot about the multiple 12v rails ><

nvm screw it, old ass psu, i still got the $35 antec 450 deal in cart, ill just stick to that
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
May 05 2011 14:31 GMT
#5045
Hello good hardware people, I have a question if no one minds. I was considering getting a new GPU that would be able to at least run sc2 on low comfortably, and maybe some other older games like stalker and oblivion. I was thinking of spending about 100$ on something and have been browsing around, but it would seem that most cards need a PCI express 2.0 and as far as I know my motherboard (ASrock k8nf4g-sata2) does not support that. So I was basically wondering is there a card out there that would suit my needs, just a simple card to run games that are a bit older with comfort. Also would I need a new power supply for it ? (currently have a Neon px-300, 300w i think)
also for reference im currently using a Ati Radeon x550

Sorry for all these questions, last time I took an interest in what was new in hardware was 5 years ago so im totally lost now. Thanks.
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 14:52:01
May 05 2011 14:51 GMT
#5046
Your motherboard supports the original PCI Express 1.0. They're backwards and forwards compatible with PCI Express 2.0 (and 1.1 and 2.1). The difference is that 2.x can run at twice the data rate of 1.x, but that's irrelevant since even the top graphics cards today would hardly be constrained by the slower 1.x interface.

You can use any of these new graphics cards if you want, if you have a power supply that can handle it. However, your old CPU is still going to be a limiting factor in many games, especially SC2.

Considering the age of your system, I would not get anything more powerful than a Radeon HD 4650 as something much better would be wasted and would require a new power supply anyway. That's already more than powerful enough to run modern games on low. It costs around 50 USD here. Other options if they're cheaper are a HD 6450, GT 220, HD 4670, HD 5550, GT 240, HD 5570, HD 5670, or HD 6670, in roughly increasing levels of performance. Actually, a GT 240 or HD 6670 might be borderline too power hungry depending on what that power supply can really do.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
May 05 2011 15:00 GMT
#5047
Why can't he run a 5770? That would fall right around this budget of $100.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-873-_-Product , for instance.

That *should* let him run on close to ultra, if not ultra? Or do you think he'd bottleneck at his CPU?
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
May 05 2011 15:32 GMT
#5048
Thanks for the swift responses, my current cpu is a AMD sempron 1600 mhz (8 x 200) 2600+, i assume that that means its running on 2600 even though it says 1600 ? I have a budget of about 250$ and was considering getting more ram (1,5 gb currently) and could probably splurge for a better CPU too, im just worried that il get parts that wont be compatible with my motherboard and PSU, and I would really like to avoid overhauling the motherboard and PSU because I don't have a need for particularly powerful system.
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 15:43:29
May 05 2011 15:36 GMT
#5049
no it's running on 1600mhz 8x200 you have an old AMD 2600+ (is just their name) which is what a socket 754 or at best a 939 so you have DDR1 ram which past 1.5 eh doesn't really seem worth it i mean past 2 gigs is pretty weird for ddr1 on a mobo. i mean the old socket 939's only supported 4gigs i forget what the avg for the 754 would be although it would depend on the nb used.

amd 2600+
Palermo (90 nm SOI)
Socket 754

In other words i'd bet your motherboard would only support 3gb and not run in dual channel which is right around that era for your gear, and it seems like a waste to spend 50+ to get 512 more mb of memory.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 05 2011 15:48 GMT
#5050
Yeah that's socket 754.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K8NF4G-SATA2

The CPU is too slow to bother with a higher-end GPU, and it's not like anything much better is available on socket 754. It's also probably not worth getting more DDR1 RAM at this point (max on that motherboard is 2GB from two DIMM slots).

I would upgrade the GPU to something low end like I described above and leave the rest the same, unless you want to get an entirely new system. There is not really enough money for a new system, even a low-end one, with $250 even when buying in the US.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 16:28:31
May 05 2011 16:27 GMT
#5051
so my motherboard cant support more than 2gb of ram total ? Eh, looks like I will have to wait a bit and get a new board and PSU too, thanks for the help. If anyone wants to recommend some ok motherboards and PSUs for a normal price feel free, need all the help I can get here
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 05 2011 16:29 GMT
#5052
On May 06 2011 01:27 besiger wrote:
so my motherboard cant support more than 2gb of ram total ? Eh, looks like I will have to wait a bit and get a new board and PSU too, thanks for the help.


Sprinkle some dirt on it and see if a museum will buy it as the missing link between pocket calculators and computers, it pretty much belongs in the fossil record anyway
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 05 2011 17:10 GMT
#5053
On May 06 2011 01:27 besiger wrote:
so my motherboard cant support more than 2gb of ram total ? Eh, looks like I will have to wait a bit and get a new board and PSU too, thanks for the help. If anyone wants to recommend some ok motherboards and PSUs for a normal price feel free, need all the help I can get here


$75 - HD 5670
$119 - Athlon II X3 + Biostar Mobo
$40 - 4GB GSkill RAM
$50 - Corsair CX430W PSU


Comes to $244 after $40 in MIR. Hopefully you are somewhere that newegg ships to.
spacefarm
Profile Joined July 2010
United States112 Posts
May 05 2011 19:33 GMT
#5054
On April 25 2011 07:22 skyR wrote:
@spacefarm

If you're not overclocking, don't plan for SLI or CrossfireX.

The below configuration total comes to $948 before mail in rebates, promotional offers, shipping, and other charges. If you want to lower the total further, you can replace the $160 SSD and $58 HDD with a Western Digital Caviar Black / Blue for around $50:

Intel Core i5 2400 @ $185 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD5176 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57964

Asrock H67M @ $100 (pricematch with http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=037627 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59672

Mushkin 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $41 ($35 after mail in rebate, pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226092 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55546

MSI GTX 460 1GB Cyclone @ $180 ($170 after promotional gift card, $145 after maial in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=54624&promoid=1320

Corsair Force 80GB @ $160
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59021&promoid=1320

Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB @ $58
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=48813&promoid=1320

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $53
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1320

Antec High Current Gamer 520W @ $60 ($50 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56787&promoid=1320

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $94 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/222137/MICROSOFT/GFC_00599/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=45271

DVD Drive @ $17 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/223566/Samsung/SH_S223C_BEBE_OEM/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=46792


I am finally ready to order! Do you have any suggestions given the new sale? Sorry for asking again, I am just a novice and don't want to mess anything up regarding compatibility. =]
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 20:47:41
May 05 2011 20:44 GMT
#5055
ASUS Radeon HD6850 DirectCU @ $175 ($155 after mail in rebate)
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=56356&promoid=1097


Sapphire Radeon Xtreme HD5850 @ $138 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14080BD8808 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60714

Antec Neo Eco 450C @ $45
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=60491

OCZ Vertex 2 80GB @ $148 ($133 after mail in rebate) (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=13220DR5854 )
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57430

Most of the other components went down by a dollar or two as well.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 06 2011 00:56 GMT
#5056
On May 04 2011 10:15 Grobyc wrote:
Thanks for the quick reply. Excluding the case and HDDs that I already have, the build looks like this now:

PSU: $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035

GPU: $140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932

CPU: $189 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074&cm_re=i5_2400-_-19-115-074-_-Product

RAM: $39 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220480

MOBO: $85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157246

DVD drive: $21 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Totals $544 without taxes/shipping.

Anything look worth changing?



wowow nice build! what kind of resolution and settings can this computer achieve (SC2)? can it do some streaming as well? I am also looking for a similar computer in this price range for SC2 and getting ready for Guild Wars 2. I like that graphics card but anyone know of a different GPU that would work well with this build? I think I would like to spend about $100 more on a GPU but run everything else the same. Thanks!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 06 2011 00:59 GMT
#5057
The configuration is capable of streaming and playing SC2 on ultra at 1920x1200. If you want to spend more on the graphics card, get a GTX 560: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 06 2011 01:20 GMT
#5058
On May 06 2011 09:59 skyR wrote:
The configuration is capable of streaming and playing SC2 on ultra at 1920x1200. If you want to spend more on the graphics card, get a GTX 560: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363


thanks skyR! hey if I bought the GTX 560 would I need to change the PSU or any other item?

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115

HD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

Loving the build you made me. Comes to a Grand Total of $712.66 with the GTX 560 or $614.94 with a Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 Xtreme (http://www.buy.com/prod/sapphire-radeon-hd-5850-xtreme-1gb-ddr5-vidoe-card/q/sellerid/2083092/loc/101/221024107.html). Is the GTX 560 worth it?


I think I am all set. I already have a DVD drive, Windows OS, keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Thanks again!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 06 2011 01:24 GMT
#5059
For $5 more, I'd go with the PSU you quoted earlier: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035

For Starcraft 2 only, the GTX 560 wouldn't be worth it. If you plan on playing other games than yes.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 06 2011 01:34 GMT
#5060
If you would rather have this case instead, there's a CPU+case combo that would bring the total down by $8:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.639603

(case is probably comparable in quality to the CM Elite 330, but it has two fans instead of one)

I agree on that Antec Earthwatts Green 500D, because it's only $50 after promo code.

An alternative to spending more on the GPU would be to get an SSD. An OCZ Agility 2 60GB that could store the OS and commonly-used programs, making them load much faster, is $110:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227542
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